Valiant Release

FormerReader · Post by **FormerReader** » Wed Jan 04, 2012 6:05 pm

Well I was reading the CGC boards today and there were two threads talking about Valiant (both were older) and several of the posters have little faith Valiant will succeed. It got me thinking about what Valiant is doing correctly and what they need to do in order to succeed. It seems to me they have done several things that gives me confidence:

-They seem to be hiring successful industry people to manage the company.
-They secured the required funding to plan for their relaunch.
-They are not rushing to get product out the door for the sake of just putting product out.
-They believe in their product.

I don't know much about the state of the industry, besides the market is tougher then it used to be, but it appears everything is about variants and rehashing the same stories again and again. A company with new and refreshing ideas may be exactly what the industry needs right now. I know the odds are stacked against a successful Valiant return, but I feel the right steps are being taken to give the company the best chance of succeeding. What do you all think they have done right or wrong so far?

comicsyte95 · Post by **comicsyte95** » Wed Jan 04, 2012 6:08 pm

I believe that another key at suceeding is to have books come out when they are scheduled and not have writers change mid storyline those are big issues at least for me.

etos45 · Post by **etos45** » Wed Jan 04, 2012 6:22 pm

comicsyte95 wrote:I believe that another key at suceeding is to have books come out when they are scheduled and not have writers change mid storyline those are big issues at least for me.

I agree with both of those statements, and I'd like to add that I'd like to see the stories have a long term direction. I just like it when there is a payoff to the long term reader, but it's nothing so significant that someone jumping on would be forced to go back and read if they hadn't already. Kind of like how Unity was a build up of many things that came before it, but if you started at Unity #0 you didn't feel too lost.

BruceReville · Post by **BruceReville** » Wed Jan 04, 2012 6:34 pm

Another thing that I feel they need to do is not come out with a whole bunch of titles at one time, but release a few at a time and build not only the story but the fan base as well. Valiant does have a core of faithful fans yet to survive in this age of comics they need to gain new fans. With Marvel and DC being pretty much every new reader's first choice, newer fans can be drawn in if they aren't flooded with multiple titles from Valiant that will probably spend their money on DC/Marvel instead of taking money away from those titles they are already purchasing.

xodacia81 · Post by **xodacia81** » Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:31 pm

etos45 wrote:
comicsyte95 wrote:I believe that another key at suceeding is to have books come out when they are scheduled and not have writers change mid storyline those are big issues at least for me.

I agree with both of those statements, and I'd like to add that I'd like to see the stories have a long term direction. I just like it when there is a payoff to the long term reader, but it's nothing so significant that someone jumping on would be forced to go back and read if they hadn't already. Kind of like how Unity was a build up of many things that came before it, but if you started at Unity #0 you didn't feel too lost.

Agreed. I want to know that even if I get three arcs of four issues each, that there was long term planning, not just an editor sitting there going "I'll get A, B and C to do a story and then I'll hack in some connecting material." If I were starting a company, I would pretty much want to have my writers on my intial books locked in for, say, 18 issues worth of story.

FormerReader · Post by **FormerReader** » Wed Jan 04, 2012 9:16 pm

Do you feel Valiant has made the right decisions up to this point? Any areas where they have dropped the ball?

superman-prime · Post by **superman-prime** » Wed Jan 04, 2012 9:35 pm

I think slow stead and done right works well after that do good work and consistent storys that drove the original valiant and it will do well and its a good time with comics doing a little rebound the last few months

Elveen · Post by **Elveen** » Wed Jan 04, 2012 11:40 pm

comicsyte95 wrote:I believe that another key at suceeding is to have books come out when they are scheduled and not have writers change mid storyline those are big issues at least for me.

One thing that was said at the Jeopardy/Poker Game:

Dino: "Fred how many books have come out late while you were publisher?"

Fred Pierce (Valiant Publisher): "None"

etos45 · Post by **etos45** » Thu Jan 05, 2012 3:33 am

FormerReader wrote:Do you feel Valiant has made the right decisions up to this point? Any areas where they have dropped the ball?

Well, they didn't send me a Christmas card...

Other than that, I've been pretty happy with what they've been doing since the announcement.

comicsyte95 · Post by **comicsyte95** » Thu Jan 05, 2012 12:44 pm

Elveen wrote:
comicsyte95 wrote:I believe that another key at suceeding is to have books come out when they are scheduled and not have writers change mid storyline those are big issues at least for me.

One thing that was said at the Jeopardy/Poker Game:

Dino: "Fred how many books have come out late while you were publisher?"

Fred Pierce (Valiant Publisher): "None"

IanAlexavier · Post by **IanAlexavier** » Thu Jan 05, 2012 1:37 pm

If I remember correctly, I think some VALIANT books came out ahead of time... which threw me off. I dont ever remember a VALIANT book being late.. although it may have happened. No, Im not couting DeathMate! LOL

ilan · Post by **ilan** » Thu Jan 05, 2012 4:06 pm

Whatever JK Rowling did to make Harry Potter a phenomenon, do that.

comicsyte95 · Post by **comicsyte95** » Thu Jan 05, 2012 4:46 pm

ilan wrote:Whatever JK Rowling did to make Harry Potter a phenomenon, do that.

Movies!!!

dhudson1 · Post by **dhudson1** » Thu Jan 05, 2012 5:19 pm

comicsyte95 wrote:
ilan wrote:Whatever JK Rowling did to make Harry Potter a phenomenon, do that.
Movies!!!

Good stories with compelling characters that you care about, coming out when expected!

comicsyte95 · Post by **comicsyte95** » Thu Jan 05, 2012 5:23 pm

dhudson1 wrote:
comicsyte95 wrote:
ilan wrote:Whatever JK Rowling did to make Harry Potter a phenomenon, do that.
Movies!!!
Good stories with compelling characters that you care about, coming out when expected!

etos45 · Post by **etos45** » Thu Jan 05, 2012 8:00 pm

dhudson1 wrote:
comicsyte95 wrote:
ilan wrote:Whatever JK Rowling did to make Harry Potter a phenomenon, do that.
Movies!!!
Good stories with compelling characters that you care about, coming out when expected!

You're crazy man... just CRAZY!!!

ilan · Post by **ilan** » Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:32 pm

dhudson1 wrote:
comicsyte95 wrote:
ilan wrote:Whatever JK Rowling did to make Harry Potter a phenomenon, do that.
Movies!!!
Good stories with compelling characters that you care about, coming out when expected!

Yup, that's a start. But alot of it had to have been luck. I wonder how many other authors wrote books about wizards and crap, yet ended up in the toilet. Timing is everything, right place right time right publisher right marketing right audience and boom she's richer than Oprah.

depluto · Post by **depluto** » Fri Jan 06, 2012 12:38 pm

They have to surprise us and wow us ... I'm expecting that and I'm going to talk at least five people into joining me at launch.

Brother Darque · Post by **Brother Darque** » Fri Jan 06, 2012 6:02 pm

comicsyte95 wrote:
ilan wrote:Whatever JK Rowling did to make Harry Potter a phenomenon, do that.
Movies!!!

and all kinds of merchandising!

Blood of Heroes · Post by **Blood of Heroes** » Fri Jan 06, 2012 7:11 pm

depluto wrote:They have to surprise us and wow us ... I'm expecting that and I'm going to talk at least five people into joining me at launch.

I'll join you for launch. What are we having? I vote mexican food!

depluto · Post by **depluto** » Fri Jan 06, 2012 8:27 pm

Blood of Heroes wrote:
depluto wrote:They have to surprise us and wow us ... I'm expecting that and I'm going to talk at least five people into joining me at launch.

I'll join you for launch. What are we having? I vote mexican food!

If you make it all the way over here I will take you to Taco Lu ...

Blood of Heroes · Post by **Blood of Heroes** » Fri Jan 06, 2012 8:52 pm

depluto wrote:
Blood of Heroes wrote:
depluto wrote:They have to surprise us and wow us ... I'm expecting that and I'm going to talk at least five people into joining me at launch.

I'll join you for launch. What are we having? I vote mexican food!
If you make it all the way over here I will take you to Taco Lu ...

Sweet!

depluto · Post by **depluto** » Fri Jan 06, 2012 9:00 pm

They're good tacos ... not exactly Mexican food but I guess you could call it Mexicanesque.

Blood of Heroes · Post by **Blood of Heroes** » Fri Jan 06, 2012 9:19 pm

depluto wrote:They're good tacos ... not exactly Mexican food but I guess you could call it Mexicanesque.

Good enough for me. I eat sh!tty Mexican food all the time.

Elveen · Post by **Elveen** » Sat Jan 07, 2012 12:57 am

Blood of Heroes wrote:
depluto wrote:
Blood of Heroes wrote:
depluto wrote:They have to surprise us and wow us ... I'm expecting that and I'm going to talk at least five people into joining me at launch.

I'll join you for launch. What are we having? I vote mexican food!
If you make it all the way over here I will take you to Taco Lu ...
Sweet!

If your driving, I'm calling shotgun.

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