A&A Classic Omnibus

rkjock1 · Post by **rkjock1** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 10:14 am

Just found this link on Amazon:

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jeremycoe · Post by **jeremycoe** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 10:27 am

Awesome! Hopefully we'll get a Bloodshot omnibus soon.

jaden_sai · Post by **jaden_sai** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 11:00 am

Thank you for posting

Very Happy to see another omnibus

ilzuccone · Post by **ilzuccone** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 12:28 pm

yesssssss

mateo107 · Post by **mateo107** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 1:26 pm

the whole series in one place, this is great news!

Sunlight_on_Snow · Post by **Sunlight_on_Snow** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 4:07 pm

Nice! Can't wait to see what cover image they choose and recolor. Archer and Armstrong #0, I hope!

omega_override · Post by **omega_override** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 4:19 pm

jeremycoe wrote:Awesome! Hopefully we'll get a Bloodshot omnibus soon.

Wouldn't that be counter productive since Bloodshot is already apart of the "Valiant Masters" series?

betterthanezra · Post by **betterthanezra** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 4:21 pm

Super

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Sunlight_on_Snow · Post by **Sunlight_on_Snow** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 9:15 pm

omega_override wrote:
jeremycoe wrote:Awesome! Hopefully we'll get a Bloodshot omnibus soon.
Wouldn't that be counter productive since Bloodshot is already apart of the "Valiant Masters" series?

Since the omnibus dimensions are oversized (right?), it would probably be fine. Marvel does its premium HC and then it's oversized HC, and then sometimes even omnibus editions on top of that, all of the same title. I would definitely love an oversized edition of the original Bloodshot series.

What cover do you guys want to see on the Archer&Armstrong omnibus?

bluedevil2002 · Post by **bluedevil2002** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 9:54 pm

Wasn't there an issue with the X-O omnibus, because while the dimensions were oversized, the actual art wasn't?

hunter_peterson · Post by **hunter_peterson** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 10:38 pm

bluedevil2002 wrote:Wasn't there an issue with the X-O omnibus, because while the dimensions were oversized, the actual art wasn't?

I heard that too. Big misstep if that's the case.

Sunlight_on_Snow · Post by **Sunlight_on_Snow** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 11:06 pm

hunter_peterson wrote:
bluedevil2002 wrote:Wasn't there an issue with the X-O omnibus, because while the dimensions were oversized, the actual art wasn't?
I heard that too. Big misstep if that's the case.

Yikes. I hope if that is true, it is corrected going forward with the other omnibus editions. Kinda defeats the point for me to not have the increase in page size.

1st Among Equals · Post by **1st Among Equals** » Sun Jun 21, 2015 12:10 am

I remember someone saying it was because the best VEI has is scans of the original art, they haven't taken the time to convert the art digitally like marvel.

rkjock1 · Post by **rkjock1** » Sun Jun 21, 2015 9:27 am

1st Among Equals wrote:I remember someone saying it was because the best VEI has is scans of the original art, they haven't taken the time to convert the art digitally like marvel.

Actually, my understanding is that they DON'T have most of the original art. Keep in mind VEI bought the old companies assets at a bankruptcy sale. And that was after Acclaim moved/consolidated the original offices. As such, their scans are from copies of the comics. This seems to be causing them problems in quality when they try to increase the size ratios. I asked at a panel about the cancellation of the EW Valiant Masters and was told then that the quality of the scans they had available created concerns for them putting that book together which is why they ultimately cancelled it.

So yes, the XO omnibus has standard size art (same size as in the Valiant Masters) with a black border to make the complete package oversized. Personally, I bought and read mine and I don't find it the least bit distracting. But then, I don't buy Omnibus editions for the size of the art, I buy them to have 25-30 issues all in one convenient binding.

Now that being said, the Q&W Omnibus did have oversized art, so we'll have to wait and see on this one. Either way, I'm excited and I'll be buying it.

bluedevil2002 · Post by **bluedevil2002** » Sun Jun 21, 2015 11:39 am

I just think that if you can't increase the size of the art, just make the book regular size. Is there a rule that books reprinting more than 25 issues have to be larger than 7x10?

jeremycoe · Post by **jeremycoe** » Sun Jun 21, 2015 2:34 pm

bluedevil2002 wrote:I just think that if you can't increase the size of the art, just make the book regular size. Is there a rule that books reprinting more than 25 issues have to be larger than 7x10?

I think the issue would be if VEI is releasing a line of "Classic Omnibus" it would look bad if they were different dimensions from each other. They should line up on the shelf nicely.

leonmallett · Post by **leonmallett** » Sun Jun 21, 2015 2:36 pm

jeremycoe wrote:
bluedevil2002 wrote:I just think that if you can't increase the size of the art, just make the book regular size. Is there a rule that books reprinting more than 25 issues have to be larger than 7x10?
I think the issue would be if VEI is releasing a line of "Classic Omnibus" it would look bad if they were different dimensions from each other. They should line up on the shelf nicely.

Didn't someone show they have already had a deluxe collection that was slightly atypical in size? I could have sworn I remember seeing a picture to that effect. But then I am getting older and my memory is getting poorer!

jeremycoe · Post by **jeremycoe** » Sun Jun 21, 2015 3:38 pm

leonmallett wrote:
jeremycoe wrote:
bluedevil2002 wrote:I just think that if you can't increase the size of the art, just make the book regular size. Is there a rule that books reprinting more than 25 issues have to be larger than 7x10?
I think the issue would be if VEI is releasing a line of "Classic Omnibus" it would look bad if they were different dimensions from each other. They should line up on the shelf nicely.
Didn't someone show they have already had a deluxe collection that was slightly atypical in size? I could have sworn I remember seeing a picture to that effect. But then I am getting older and my memory is getting poorer!

The goal is conformity. The execution may be a different matter. I think what you are remembering is the Shadowman deluxe edition is slightly less deep (shallower?) than the other deluxe editions.

Joshua · Post by **Joshua** » Sun Jun 21, 2015 3:57 pm

Hmmm.. Was having a hard time on deciding whether to bind these issues. I will probably just buy the omni.

bluedevil2002 · Post by **bluedevil2002** » Sun Jun 21, 2015 5:54 pm

jeremycoe wrote:
bluedevil2002 wrote:I just think that if you can't increase the size of the art, just make the book regular size. Is there a rule that books reprinting more than 25 issues have to be larger than 7x10?
I think the issue would be if VEI is releasing a line of "Classic Omnibus" it would look bad if they were different dimensions from each other. They should line up on the shelf nicely.

Just for the hypothetical argument's sake, then why did the first book have to be the bigger size? Why didn't they start out with a standard sized book?

jeremycoe · Post by **jeremycoe** » Mon Jun 22, 2015 10:02 am

bluedevil2002 wrote:
jeremycoe wrote:
bluedevil2002 wrote:I just think that if you can't increase the size of the art, just make the book regular size. Is there a rule that books reprinting more than 25 issues have to be larger than 7x10?
I think the issue would be if VEI is releasing a line of "Classic Omnibus" it would look bad if they were different dimensions from each other. They should line up on the shelf nicely.
Just for the hypothetical argument's sake, then why did the first book have to be the bigger size? Why didn't they start out with a standard sized book?

Because it's awesome! I don't know. I was in no way bothered by the borders on the X-O omnibus, so that issue doesn't really matter to me. I would guess if they can do the oversized artwork they will, if they can't there will be borders. Either way the books will be uniform in size - as much as possible.

Sunlight_on_Snow · Post by **Sunlight_on_Snow** » Mon Jun 22, 2015 1:43 pm

Has anyone here done a direct quality comparison between the clarity of the artwork in the original issues versus the XO Omnibus? I don't own any of the OG hardcovers VEI has put out, but I once flipped through the first the very first VEI Harbinger HC and thought some of the pages looked not quite in focus.

nycjadie · Post by **nycjadie** » Mon Jun 22, 2015 3:55 pm

jeremycoe wrote:
bluedevil2002 wrote:
jeremycoe wrote:
bluedevil2002 wrote:I just think that if you can't increase the size of the art, just make the book regular size. Is there a rule that books reprinting more than 25 issues have to be larger than 7x10?
I think the issue would be if VEI is releasing a line of "Classic Omnibus" it would look bad if they were different dimensions from each other. They should line up on the shelf nicely.
Just for the hypothetical argument's sake, then why did the first book have to be the bigger size? Why didn't they start out with a standard sized book?
Because it's awesome! I don't know. I was in no way bothered by the borders on the X-O omnibus, so that issue doesn't really matter to me. I would guess if they can do the oversized artwork they will, if they can't there will be borders. Either way the books will be uniform in size - as much as possible.

+1. I just want the collections and uniformity to the trade dress. Internal sizing is a bonus, but not necessary for me.

caxiotis · Post by **caxiotis** » Mon Jun 22, 2015 10:13 pm

Sunlight_on_Snow wrote:Has anyone here done a direct quality comparison between the clarity of the artwork in the original issues versus the XO Omnibus? I don't own any of the OG hardcovers VEI has put out, but I once flipped through the first the very first VEI Harbinger HC and thought some of the pages looked not quite in focus.

The very first harbinger hc called "the beginning" had very amateurish scans/coloring and everything looked blurry and off. (Gonna call this 1/5 quality). Sorry but it is true

I will say that the new valiant masters harbinger hc is the best reprint they put out. The paper is thick, glossy, and the scans/color are good. (Gonna call this 4/5 for quality, as I feel that the scans could still use some work). I would recommend anybody buy this book.

That being said I am not impressed with my x-o deluxe omnibus. I thought the paper was thin, also was not glossy, and scans were 3/5 quality. I didn't have a problem with the black borders.

I really think for the $100 that the x-o omnibus should have been better quality, therefore I am not interested in the a&a omnibus unless it is like the quality of the harbinger valiant masters

Sunlight_on_Snow · Post by **Sunlight_on_Snow** » Wed Jun 24, 2015 1:56 pm

caxiotis wrote:
Sunlight_on_Snow wrote:Has anyone here done a direct quality comparison between the clarity of the artwork in the original issues versus the XO Omnibus? I don't own any of the OG hardcovers VEI has put out, but I once flipped through the first the very first VEI Harbinger HC and thought some of the pages looked not quite in focus.
The very first harbinger hc called "the beginning" had very amateurish scans/coloring and everything looked blurry and off. (Gonna call this 1/5 quality). Sorry but it is true

I will say that the new valiant masters harbinger hc is the best reprint they put out. The paper is thick, glossy, and the scans/color are good. (Gonna call this 4/5 for quality, as I feel that the scans could still use some work). I would recommend anybody buy this book.

That being said I am not impressed with my x-o deluxe omnibus. I thought the paper was thin, also was not glossy, and scans were 3/5 quality. I didn't have a problem with the black borders.

I really think for the $100 that the x-o omnibus should have been better quality, therefore I am not interested in the a&a omnibus unless it is like the quality of the harbinger valiant masters

This is really good feedback. Thanks for sharing, and I'm with you. I own most of these stories in the original issues, so for me personally the only reason to get the new HC collections is if they look as good or better than the originals in some way. If the goal is to provide this material to new fans and they are limited to scanning the old books, maybe economy tpb editions would be a good idea.

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