Ninjak #3 Discussion

BugsySig · Post by **BugsySig** » Wed May 20, 2015 5:20 pm

I really liked the book even though there wasn't much advancement in the story. Great action and amazing art. If I have one gripe it's that the technology Ninjak has at his disposal is getting a bit far fetched even for comics. Hacker hands that are preprogrammed to move his fingers for him? Seriously?!?

As for young Collin...I almost got an APD vibe from this issue. Last issue he poisons the butler, who we assume has been abusing him based on the previous issue. This time he blows the car up in his face. Part of me thinks he's just a psychotic little kid, now, who perhaps the butler is trying to contain. Just a thought.

I like where the Lost Files are headed.

jxm640 · Post by **jxm640** » Wed May 20, 2015 5:25 pm

BugsySig wrote:I really liked the book even though there wasn't much advancement in the story. Great action and amazing art. If I have one gripe it's that the technology Ninjak has at his disposal is getting a bit far fetched even for comics. Hacker hands that are preprogrammed to move his fingers for him? Seriously?!?

As for young Collin...I almost got an APD vibe from this issue. Last issue he poisons the butler, who we assume has been abusing him based on the previous issue. This time he blows the car up in his face. Part of me thinks he's just a psychotic little kid, now, who perhaps the butler is trying to contain. Just a thought.

I like where the Lost Files are headed.

I have to agree with you on all of these points. I like the slow progression as this series seems to currently be a character study for Ninjak.

The lost files are amazing and kind of make me want an anthology series to flesh out more of the past for some of the characters.

jmatt · Post by **jmatt** » Wed May 20, 2015 9:55 pm

BugsySig wrote:I really liked the book even though there wasn't much advancement in the story. Great action and amazing art. If I have one gripe it's that the technology Ninjak has at his disposal is getting a bit far fetched even for comics. Hacker hands that are preprogrammed to move his fingers for him? Seriously?!?

Yeah, this issue took place in 8 minutes. Talk about decompression.

And yes, the technology is getting ridiculous. Contacts that allow him to scan a building's internal wiring? Pre-programmed gloves that can hack a computer network? Too far. Just plug some dopey gizmo into a USB port and 'by-pass' security or something. I'm willing to swallow an AI guided grappling hook because hey, comics. But his technology is like something from 4001, not 2015.

Overall though, pleased with the issue, great art. Mann is perfect for it. But short on story on all gee-wiz technology.

Michael_Ayer · Post by **Michael_Ayer** » Wed May 20, 2015 10:01 pm

The tech is far fetched but... Enjoyable. It makes you smile and laugh. Kindt once said that he was like a teenage boy mixing spy with ninja. I like it.

Overall I'm really enjoying this series. Prob re-read tonight.

agent_graves · Post by **agent_graves** » Wed May 20, 2015 11:29 pm

Ha, he got caught... That was my reaction, when I reached the end of the present day story.

The Lost Files backup, is starting to grow on me a little bit...

VEI, should really consider making Clay Mann, Exclusive!!

agent_graves · Post by **agent_graves** » Wed May 20, 2015 11:33 pm

BugsySig wrote:If I have one gripe it's that the technology Ninjak has at his disposal is getting a bit far fetched even for comics. Hacker hands that are preprogrammed to move his fingers for him? Seriously?!?

Yea, that was a little much, even for comic book logic.

hkupo · Post by **hkupo** » Thu May 21, 2015 12:43 am

agent_graves wrote:Ha, he got caught... That was my reaction, when I reached the end of the present day story.

The Lost Files backup, is starting to grow on me a little bit...

VEI, should really consider making Clay Mann, Exclusive!!

Clay Mann is exclusive

http://www.newsarama.com/21568-clay-man ... war-0.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Back when I first heard this news I was so happy. I'm hoping they can steal more great artists like Rocafort or Sorrentino. I know I know fat chance, but a man can dream.

QUARTZ · Post by **QUARTZ** » Thu May 21, 2015 7:03 am

I like the new tech. At least there is some thinking and rationale behind it. Part of the fun of spy movies is seeing this crazy tech in action, some stuff you would never think of. And it's a funnybook with a "mutant"/psiot whatever that uses her hair as razor wire; so I'm fine with it. I think Ninjak should have all this crazy tech to help him perform these impossible missions. I loved the part about angling his body to take the blast from the gun. Just cool spy crazy nonsense. I dig. I'm a big 007 fan as well though.

And I like the emotional resonance of the "lost files". It gives Ninjak a little humanity, shows he isn't a completely cold killer. He's gots a heart...awwww...

agent_graves · Post by **agent_graves** » Thu May 21, 2015 10:16 am

hkupo wrote:
agent_graves wrote:Ha, he got caught... That was my reaction, when I reached the end of the present day story.

The Lost Files backup, is starting to grow on me a little bit...

VEI, should really consider making Clay Mann, Exclusive!!
Clay Mann is exclusive

http://www.newsarama.com/21568-clay-man ... war-0.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Back when I first heard this news I was so happy. I'm hoping they can steal more great artists like Rocafort or Sorrentino. I know I know fat chance, but a man can dream.

Great, not sure how I missed that info. I agree 100% about Sorrentino, I wanted so bad, for him and Lemire to be next creative team on Shadowman, when Valiant brings him back from limbo. When it was announced he was Marvel exclusive, it made me sick to my stomach, imo, he's the perfect artist for Shadowman.

Donovan · Post by **Donovan** » Thu May 21, 2015 7:49 pm

jmatt wrote: Contacts that allow him to scan a building's internal wiring?

Well the technology isn't as far fetched as I thought it was this morning...

http://www.vancouversun.com/touch/story ... d=11064060" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

jmatt · Post by **jmatt** » Thu May 21, 2015 9:14 pm

QUARTZ wrote:I like the new tech. At least there is some thinking and rationale behind it. Part of the fun of spy movies is seeing this crazy tech in action, some stuff you would never think of. And it's a funnybook with a "mutant"/psiot whatever that uses her hair as razor wire; so I'm fine with it.

I'm a Bond fan, too, and this appears to be headed toward the feel of an updated Roger Moore Bond film. So I'll try to view the book in that light going forward.

hunter_peterson · Post by **hunter_peterson** » Thu May 21, 2015 9:45 pm

jmatt wrote:
QUARTZ wrote:I like the new tech. At least there is some thinking and rationale behind it. Part of the fun of spy movies is seeing this crazy tech in action, some stuff you would never think of. And it's a funnybook with a "mutant"/psiot whatever that uses her hair as razor wire; so I'm fine with it.
I'm a Bond fan, too, and this appears to be headed toward the feel of an updated Roger Moore Bond film. So I'll try to view the book in that light going forward.

That's how Kingsman felt to me and I loved it!

hkupo · Post by **hkupo** » Thu May 21, 2015 10:10 pm

agent_graves wrote:
hkupo wrote:
agent_graves wrote:Ha, he got caught... That was my reaction, when I reached the end of the present day story.

The Lost Files backup, is starting to grow on me a little bit...

VEI, should really consider making Clay Mann, Exclusive!!
Clay Mann is exclusive

http://www.newsarama.com/21568-clay-man ... war-0.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Back when I first heard this news I was so happy. I'm hoping they can steal more great artists like Rocafort or Sorrentino. I know I know fat chance, but a man can dream.
Great, not sure how I missed that info. I agree 100% about Sorrentino, I wanted so bad, for him and Lemire to be next creative team on Shadowman, when Valiant brings him back from limbo. When it was announced he was Marvel exclusive, it made me sick to my stomach, imo, he's the perfect artist for Shadowman.

Not only that but he's attached to Bendis of all people.

On the issue itself I felt there was a disconnect between how Ninjak is portrayed in the first page layout and how he is during the stories. In the 'classified' he paints a picture of a detached and violent sociopath but then Kindt has Ninjak's internal monologue constantly making a point of being non lethal. They somewhat clash for me.

Donovan · Post by **Donovan** » Thu May 21, 2015 10:11 pm

This book is so much fun, has a great pace, beautiful colours, and really the best artist in Valiant's stable at the moment.

CongoBill · Post by **CongoBill** » Fri May 22, 2015 1:49 pm

I'm enjoying this one. The outlandish tech to me is a lot of fun and a bit humorous (in a good way). Excellent art by Mann. And I'm really digging the backup story as well. Nice double-feature.

hunter_peterson · Post by **hunter_peterson** » Fri May 22, 2015 10:14 pm

hkupo wrote:
agent_graves wrote:
hkupo wrote:
agent_graves wrote:Ha, he got caught... That was my reaction, when I reached the end of the present day story.

The Lost Files backup, is starting to grow on me a little bit...

VEI, should really consider making Clay Mann, Exclusive!!
Clay Mann is exclusive

http://www.newsarama.com/21568-clay-man ... war-0.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Back when I first heard this news I was so happy. I'm hoping they can steal more great artists like Rocafort or Sorrentino. I know I know fat chance, but a man can dream.
Great, not sure how I missed that info. I agree 100% about Sorrentino, I wanted so bad, for him and Lemire to be next creative team on Shadowman, when Valiant brings him back from limbo. When it was announced he was Marvel exclusive, it made me sick to my stomach, imo, he's the perfect artist for Shadowman.
Not only that but he's attached to Bendis of all people.

On the issue itself I felt there was a disconnect between how Ninjak is portrayed in the first page layout and how he is during the stories. In the 'classified' he paints a picture of a detached and violent sociopath but then Kindt has Ninjak's internal monologue constantly making a point of being non lethal. They somewhat clash for me.

Bendis excels at gritty solo series, so I expect Old Man Logan to be better than his team work. I'll check out an issue or two. He did write my first comicbook, after all.

I think that's intentional. The assessments of Ninjak appear to be those of his bosses, or maybe his enemies. Either way they miss the point of his demeanour existing to hide his heroic nature, because that would be an easily exploitable weakness. Which makes sense, I think.

Also, anyone think it's weird that Ninjak being a mercenary has pretty much been dropped? They need to explain the nitty gritty of his working status.

hkupo · Post by **hkupo** » Fri May 22, 2015 10:18 pm

hunter_peterson wrote:
hkupo wrote:
agent_graves wrote:
hkupo wrote:
agent_graves wrote:Ha, he got caught... That was my reaction, when I reached the end of the present day story.

The Lost Files backup, is starting to grow on me a little bit...

VEI, should really consider making Clay Mann, Exclusive!!
Clay Mann is exclusive

http://www.newsarama.com/21568-clay-man ... war-0.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Back when I first heard this news I was so happy. I'm hoping they can steal more great artists like Rocafort or Sorrentino. I know I know fat chance, but a man can dream.
Great, not sure how I missed that info. I agree 100% about Sorrentino, I wanted so bad, for him and Lemire to be next creative team on Shadowman, when Valiant brings him back from limbo. When it was announced he was Marvel exclusive, it made me sick to my stomach, imo, he's the perfect artist for Shadowman.
Not only that but he's attached to Bendis of all people.

On the issue itself I felt there was a disconnect between how Ninjak is portrayed in the first page layout and how he is during the stories. In the 'classified' he paints a picture of a detached and violent sociopath but then Kindt has Ninjak's internal monologue constantly making a point of being non lethal. They somewhat clash for me.
Bendis excels at gritty solo series, so I expect Old Man Logan to be better than his team work. I'll check out an issue or two. He did write my first comicbook, after all.

I think that's intentional. The assessments of Ninjak appear to be those of his bosses, or maybe his enemies. Either way they miss the point of his demeanour existing to hide his heroic nature, because that would be an easily exploitable weakness. Which makes sense, I think.

Also, anyone think it's weird that Ninjak being a mercenary has pretty much been dropped? They need to explain the nitty gritty of his working status.

I like that, so he's pretty much playing the person who thinks they've been able to profile him.

jxm640 · Post by **jxm640** » Sun May 24, 2015 7:38 pm

hunter_peterson wrote: Also, anyone think it's weird that Ninjak being a mercenary has pretty much been dropped? They need to explain the nitty gritty of his working status.

I just assume that for the moment Ninjak has adjusted to his situation and has dropped the mercenary status.

bygranddesign · Post by **bygranddesign** » Thu May 28, 2015 4:07 pm

The tech is definitely over the top and eyeball roll inducing at times ... But it is also fun - and I'm willing to suspend disbelief a bit more for a little bit of fun. So I am ok with it.

Divinity seems to be getting the hype .. But this is Kindt's current best work with VEI. Kindt set out to make a great ninja spy thriller ... While also creating a compelling character study and it's been pretty much executed perfectly so far.

It also helps to have Clay Mann on art.

Wowzer

The art is stunning. This is some of the best art VEI has ever put out. This is brilliant work. The panels just pop beautifully - wonderful coloring.

Butch Guices work on the lost files is also very strong. It perfectly fits the story. And seeing a young Colin King ... Fall into the human "weakness" of being love sick ... It's nice to see the character vulnerable ...

bygranddesign · Post by **bygranddesign** » Thu May 28, 2015 4:21 pm

BugsySig wrote:
As for young Collin...I almost got an APD vibe from this issue. Last issue he poisons the butler, who we assume has been abusing him based on the previous issue. This time he blows the car up in his face. Part of me thinks he's just a psychotic little kid, now, who perhaps the butler is trying to contain. Just a thought.
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Wow. That would be an interesting angle

Maybe because of his personality disorder + advanced intelligence - he caused the death of his parents. (I'd go with reckless accident..)

Maybe as a dying wish, the Butler was asked by the parents, instead of having their son locked away, to try and control him by any means necessary - control his anger - modify his behavior..etc.

That would definitely be a great twist that subverts expectations about a superhero origin. (Although Dexter-esque in a way)

NinJZA · Post by **NinJZA** » Tue Jun 02, 2015 4:50 pm

jmatt wrote:
BugsySig wrote:
And yes, the technology is getting ridiculous. Contacts that allow him to scan a building's internal wiring? Pre-programmed gloves that can hack a computer network? Too far. Just plug some dopey gizmo into a USB port and 'by-pass' security or something. I'm willing to swallow an AI guided grappling hook because hey, comics. But his technology is like something from 4001, not 2015.

Overall though, pleased with the issue, great art. Mann is perfect for it. But short on story on all gee-wiz technology.

I sort of agree on the pre-programmed gloves, but I thought all of the other tech was pretty clever. High-tech contact lenses are not ridiculous btw, check out this article:

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/business ... act-lenses" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I think Kindt is actually being pretty forward-thinking with this tech. Even that AI-guided grappling hook initially seemed a bit silly, but considering the ubiquity of drones nowadays, it makes sense to put that tech into projectiles like grappling hooks as well. Personally, I'm ready for a whole slew of ninja weapons that look traditional but have all sorts of sci-fi tech built in.

Also, they haven't yet mentioned anything about Colin's upbringing, correct? In the '94 version, he was a product of some genetic enhancements as part of the remnants of a Nazi program "Schwarz Tod" I think. It would be pretty cool if Kindt maybe changed this instead to that Russian fringe-science division that was mentioned in Divinity, they really need to give that division a snazzy name.

dornwolf · Post by **dornwolf** » Fri Jun 05, 2015 4:48 am

NinJZA wrote:
jmatt wrote:
BugsySig wrote:
And yes, the technology is getting ridiculous. Contacts that allow him to scan a building's internal wiring? Pre-programmed gloves that can hack a computer network? Too far. Just plug some dopey gizmo into a USB port and 'by-pass' security or something. I'm willing to swallow an AI guided grappling hook because hey, comics. But his technology is like something from 4001, not 2015.

Overall though, pleased with the issue, great art. Mann is perfect for it. But short on story on all gee-wiz technology.
I sort of agree on the pre-programmed gloves, but I thought all of the other tech was pretty clever. High-tech contact lenses are not ridiculous btw, check out this article:

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/business ... act-lenses" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I think Kindt is actually being pretty forward-thinking with this tech. Even that AI-guided grappling hook initially seemed a bit silly, but considering the ubiquity of drones nowadays, it makes sense to put that tech into projectiles like grappling hooks as well. Personally, I'm ready for a whole slew of ninja weapons that look traditional but have all sorts of sci-fi tech built in.

Also, they haven't yet mentioned anything about Colin's upbringing, correct? In the '94 version, he was a product of some genetic enhancements as part of the remnants of a Nazi program "Schwarz Tod" I think. It would be pretty cool if Kindt maybe changed this instead to that Russian fringe-science division that was mentioned in Divinity, they really need to give that division a snazzy name.

Knowing Kindt that snazzy name will be something like D-Vinity or Project Divine or something. Dude really loves those code name puns.

NinJZA · Post by **NinJZA** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 3:37 pm

dornwolf wrote:
NinJZA wrote:
jmatt wrote:
BugsySig wrote:
And yes, the technology is getting ridiculous. Contacts that allow him to scan a building's internal wiring? Pre-programmed gloves that can hack a computer network? Too far. Just plug some dopey gizmo into a USB port and 'by-pass' security or something. I'm willing to swallow an AI guided grappling hook because hey, comics. But his technology is like something from 4001, not 2015.

Overall though, pleased with the issue, great art. Mann is perfect for it. But short on story on all gee-wiz technology.
I sort of agree on the pre-programmed gloves, but I thought all of the other tech was pretty clever. High-tech contact lenses are not ridiculous btw, check out this article:

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/business ... act-lenses" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I think Kindt is actually being pretty forward-thinking with this tech. Even that AI-guided grappling hook initially seemed a bit silly, but considering the ubiquity of drones nowadays, it makes sense to put that tech into projectiles like grappling hooks as well. Personally, I'm ready for a whole slew of ninja weapons that look traditional but have all sorts of sci-fi tech built in.

Also, they haven't yet mentioned anything about Colin's upbringing, correct? In the '94 version, he was a product of some genetic enhancements as part of the remnants of a Nazi program "Schwarz Tod" I think. It would be pretty cool if Kindt maybe changed this instead to that Russian fringe-science division that was mentioned in Divinity, they really need to give that division a snazzy name.
Knowing Kindt that snazzy name will be something like D-Vinity or Project Divine or something. Dude really loves those code name puns.

Definitely. I'm guessing since his last name also consists of a dictionary word ("kind") ending with a consonant, maybe he's just always looked at words in a unique way.

leonmallett · Post by **leonmallett** » Sun Jun 14, 2015 5:07 am

A fun issue, although a quick read. The gloves were the only piece of technology that caused me to wince, but the rest I was fine with, and I was pleasantly surprised by the last page. Overall, good stuff.

String · Post by **String** » Sun Jun 14, 2015 10:17 am

Well, again, we have the disconnect on the first page between the tech of his battle boots and the personality insights alongside them. I hope these are reprinted in the eventual TPB.

This issue was fun, the tech is a bit outlandish but the tension of the story and Kindt's inner monologue for Colin make up for that. (Although I have to ask, where does he get such wonderful toys? Does Colin create all of these gadgets? Or are some from Nelville and MI-6? Q anyone?)

The Lost Files just got really interesting. This book is growing on me.

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