Harbinger #23 Discussion - SPOILERS ARE ON (for now)

[bygranddesign]

Flamingo died.

There, I said it.

[bygranddesign]

Possibly the best issue of the series for me. I think the book has been very strong post-Perfect Day and here I think Dysart showed brilliant craft, juggling his feints, plot beats and and characters points. Even the panel with Stronghold being recalled to action was pitched perfectly, adding a sense of pathos (due in no small; part to the artists in that instance). The writing and art have worked so well on this issue that my favourite VEI book has real competition at last.

This goes into my top 5 VEI issues without doubt.

I'm not sure if this issue would be in my top 5 but definitely top 10

This arc as a whole is putting up a major challenge to my favorite VEI arc - Far, Far Away

[Chiclo]

You know, I'm not sure why we're even using using spoiler tags in this thread.

because you all are a bunch of smart phone hating @ssholes.

I only think it affects iPhone users. So, suck it.

You just made the list

And that is part of the reason why I don't want to give up the old Sanyo 2300.

[Keith]

Possibly the best issue of the series for me. I think the book has been very strong post-Perfect Day and here I think Dysart showed brilliant craft, juggling his feints, plot beats and and characters points. Even the panel with Stronghold being recalled to action was pitched perfectly, adding a sense of pathos (due in no small; part to the artists in that instance). The writing and art have worked so well on this issue that my favourite VEI book has real competition at last.

This goes into my top 5 VEI issues without doubt.

I'm not sure if this issue would be in my top 5 but definitely top 10

This arc as a whole is putting up a major challenge to my favorite VEI arc - Far, Far Away

Agreed. I'm envious of the trade waiters who will get to read Resistance and Death of a Renegade in one sitting. Pretty sure that will be an epic read!

[leonmallett]

Possibly the best issue of the series for me. I think the book has been very strong post-Perfect Day and here I think Dysart showed brilliant craft, juggling his feints, plot beats and and characters points. Even the panel with Stronghold being recalled to action was pitched perfectly, adding a sense of pathos (due in no small; part to the artists in that instance). The writing and art have worked so well on this issue that my favourite VEI book has real competition at last.

This goes into my top 5 VEI issues without doubt.

I'm not sure if this issue would be in my top 5 but definitely top 10

This arc as a whole is putting up a major challenge to my favorite VEI arc - Far, Far Away

Agreed. I'm envious of the trade waiters who will get to read Resistance and Death of a Renegade in one sitting. Pretty sure that will be an epic read!

[leonmallett]

Possibly the best issue of the series for me. I think the book has been very strong post-Perfect Day and here I think Dysart showed brilliant craft, juggling his feints, plot beats and and characters points. Even the panel with Stronghold being recalled to action was pitched perfectly, adding a sense of pathos (due in no small; part to the artists in that instance). The writing and art have worked so well on this issue that my favourite VEI book has real competition at last.

This goes into my top 5 VEI issues without doubt.

I'm not sure if this issue would be in my top 5 but definitely top 10

This arc as a whole is putting up a major challenge to my favorite VEI arc - Far, Far Away

For me to compare this to Archer and Armstrong *(possibly my current favourite monthly that I read) is high praise.

[Tannerman]

Tapatalk, man. Use it. It will change your life.

+1

[Manaf82]

Charlene, Charlene, Charlene, Charlene
I'm begging of you please don't take my man
Charlene, Charlene, Charlene, Charlene
Please don't take him just because you can
Your beauty is beyond compare
With flaming locks of auburn hair
With ivory skin and eyes of emerald green

Your smile is like a breath of spring
Your voice is soft like summer rain
And I cannot compete with you, Jolene

He talks about you in his sleep
There's nothing I can do to keep
From crying when he calls your name, Charlene

And I can easily understand
How you could easily take my man
But you don't know what he means to me, Charlene

Charlene, Charlene, Charlene, Charlene
I'm begging of you please don't take my man
Charlene, Charlene, Charlene, Charlene
Please don't take him just because you can

You could have your choice of men
But I could never love again
He's the only one for me, Charlene

I had to have this talk with you
My happiness depends on you
And whatever you decide to do,JOLENE

Charlene, Charlene, Charlene, Charlene
I'm begging of you please don't take my man
Charlene, Charlene, Charlene, Charlene
Please don't take him even though you can
Charlene, Charlene

You missed a Sharlene there

[leonmallett]

Charlene, Charlene, Charlene, Charlene
I'm begging of you please don't take my man
Charlene, Charlene, Charlene, Charlene
Please don't take him just because you can
Your beauty is beyond compare
With flaming locks of auburn hair
With ivory skin and eyes of emerald green

Your smile is like a breath of spring
Your voice is soft like summer rain
And I cannot compete with you, Jolene

He talks about you in his sleep
There's nothing I can do to keep
From crying when he calls your name, Charlene

And I can easily understand
How you could easily take my man
But you don't know what he means to me, Charlene

Charlene, Charlene, Charlene, Charlene
I'm begging of you please don't take my man
Charlene, Charlene, Charlene, Charlene
Please don't take him just because you can

You could have your choice of men
But I could never love again
He's the only one for me, Charlene

I had to have this talk with you
My happiness depends on you
And whatever you decide to do,JOLENE

Charlene, Charlene, Charlene, Charlene
I'm begging of you please don't take my man
Charlene, Charlene, Charlene, Charlene
Please don't take him even though you can
Charlene, Charlene

You missed a Sharlene there

[sic]

[FormerReader]

Great issue as usual! I will admit I am sad to see Charlene go. I think the death was done well though and kept the reader guessing. This series has really been well done and I can't wait to see what's next.

[Phoenix8008]

Wow. I FINALLY got to read all of May's comics last night, so I can now FINALLY read this thread and the 'bet' threads. Usually, I organize my stack to put the stuff I want to read the most on the bottom so I get to it last. I got halfway through my stack and couldn't wait any more. I pulled this issue off the bottom of the pile and dug in.

As everyone has said, a really great issue all around and I love that the death didn't happen at the end of the issue as it's climax. Happens smack dab in the middle and they have to keep going with the mission and find time to deal with it later. Also... love Faith using her companion field to defenestrate (how ofter do I get to actually use this word in context!? AWESOME!) Ion, even if it did lead to the situation of Flamingo dying. Interesting that she uses it offensively, and maybe more interesting is that she's totally willing to kill. Not that it was in cold blood though, she was defending Torque so that's more understandable.

Also so glad to see the Gen Zero kids getting freed. Looking forward to more of them next issue and into the future. Also looking forward to the final fight between Peter and Harada, because this was just the warm up.

[jmatt]

love Faith using her companion field to defenestrate (how ofter do I get to actually use this word in context!? AWESOME!)

Bonus points for vocabulary.

[Chiclo]

love Faith using her companion field to defenestrate (how ofter do I get to actually use this word in context!? AWESOME!)

Bonus points for vocabulary.

The infinitive of defenestrate just feels a bit off. I suppose I am more used to the nominative form of defenestration.

[jmatt]

love Faith using her companion field to defenestrate (how ofter do I get to actually use this word in context!? AWESOME!)

Bonus points for vocabulary.

The infinitive of defenestrate just feels a bit off. I suppose I am more used to the nominative form of defenestration.

de·fen·es·trate
dēˈfenəˌstrāt/
verb
1.throw (someone) out of a window.

Seems about right to me.

[Chiclo]

love Faith using her companion field to defenestrate (how ofter do I get to actually use this word in context!? AWESOME!)

Bonus points for vocabulary.

The infinitive of defenestrate just feels a bit off. I suppose I am more used to the nominative form of defenestration.

de·fen·es·trate
dēˈfenəˌstrāt/
verb
1.throw (someone) out of a window.

Seems about right to me.

I did not mean to say that it was incorrect, only that I have so infrequently encountered it in the infinitive that it feels strange and awkward.

[ilzuccone]

love Faith using her companion field to defenestrate (how ofter do I get to actually use this word in context!? AWESOME!)

Bonus points for vocabulary.

The infinitive of defenestrate just feels a bit off. I suppose I am more used to the nominative form of defenestration.

de·fen·es·trate
dēˈfenəˌstrāt/
verb
1.throw (someone) out of a window.

Seems about right to me.

I did not mean to say that it was incorrect, only that I have so infrequently encountered it in the infinitive that it feels strange and awkward.

Nice busting out a word that isn't in the dictionary on my mac

[lorddunlow]

love Faith using her companion field to defenestrate (how ofter do I get to actually use this word in context!? AWESOME!)

Bonus points for vocabulary.

The infinitive of defenestrate just feels a bit off. I suppose I am more used to the nominative form of defenestration.

de·fen·es·trate
dēˈfenəˌstrāt/
verb
1.throw (someone) out of a window.

Seems about right to me.

I did not mean to say that it was incorrect, only that I have so infrequently encountered it in the infinitive that it feels strange and awkward.

Your mom feels strange and awkward...

love Faith using her companion field to defenestrate (how ofter do I get to actually use this word in context!? AWESOME!)

Bonus points for vocabulary.

The infinitive of defenestrate just feels a bit off. I suppose I am more used to the nominative form of defenestration.

de·fen·es·trate
dēˈfenəˌstrāt/
verb
1.throw (someone) out of a window.

Seems about right to me.

I did not mean to say that it was incorrect, only that I have so infrequently encountered it in the infinitive that it feels strange and awkward.

Nice busting out a word that isn't in the dictionary on my mac

Your mom's a mac...

[ilzuccone]

yeah so!?

[Chiclo]

Nice busting out a word that isn't in the dictionary on my mac

I hate spell check. I have to replace the whole computer before I have properly broken one in. They are woefully incomplete.

And then if I type in another language it is all a bunch of red squiggly lines.

Spell check is doing its fair share to ruin western civilization. Editing texts has fallen by the wayside and words that sound close to the correct one are overlooked because "it passed spellcheck". I am referring to common, easy to identify errors like switching affect and effect or even odd ones like have and of.

[kjjohanson]

Editing texts has fallen by the wayside and words that sound close to the correct one are overlooked because "it passed spellcheck".

This wood have Ben funnier if you rote that as "it past spellcheck"

[kjjohanson]

Interesting that she uses it offensively, and maybe more interesting is that she's totally willing to kill. Not that it was in cold blood though, she was defending Torque so that's more understandable.

I don't think it was as much as an intent to kill, but more a gut reaction to remove Ion from the scene without concern for the consequences.

[kjjohanson]

love Faith using her companion field to defenestrate (how ofter do I get to actually use this word in context!? AWESOME!)

Bonus points for vocabulary.

The infinitive of defenestrate just feels a bit off. I suppose I am more used to the nominative form of defenestration.

de·fen·es·trate
dēˈfenəˌstrāt/
verb
1.throw (someone) out of a window.

Seems about right to me.

I often thought it would be a hoot if there was a superhero called the Defenestrator, whose arch enemy would have an underground lair. Turns out that someone actually worked a Defenestrator into a comic a while back. I want to say Grant Morrison in Doom Patrol but that might not be right.

Still, maybe Faith can change her codename to the Defenestratrix.

[leonmallett]

love Faith using her companion field to defenestrate (how ofter do I get to actually use this word in context!? AWESOME!)

Bonus points for vocabulary.

The infinitive of defenestrate just feels a bit off. I suppose I am more used to the nominative form of defenestration.

de·fen·es·trate
dēˈfenəˌstrāt/
verb
1.throw (someone) out of a window.

Seems about right to me.

I often thought it would be a hoot if there was a superhero called the Defenestrator, whose arch enemy would have an underground lair. Turns out that someone actually worked a Defenestrator into a comic a while back. I want to say Grant Morrison in Doom Patrol but that might not be right.

Still, maybe Faith can change her codename to the Defenestratrix.

I thought the same, but it looks like Garth Ennis was the creator: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_8_(comics" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)

[kjjohanson]

love Faith using her companion field to defenestrate (how ofter do I get to actually use this word in context!? AWESOME!)

Bonus points for vocabulary.

The infinitive of defenestrate just feels a bit off. I suppose I am more used to the nominative form of defenestration.

de·fen·es·trate
dēˈfenəˌstrāt/
verb
1.throw (someone) out of a window.

Seems about right to me.

I often thought it would be a hoot if there was a superhero called the Defenestrator, whose arch enemy would have an underground lair. Turns out that someone actually worked a Defenestrator into a comic a while back. I want to say Grant Morrison in Doom Patrol but that might not be right.

Still, maybe Faith can change her codename to the Defenestratrix.

I thought the same, but it looks like Garth Ennis was the creator: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_8_(comics" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)

Yeah, what stuck in my mind was one of those Vertigo writers east of the pond.

[leonmallett]

Bonus points for vocabulary.

The infinitive of defenestrate just feels a bit off. I suppose I am more used to the nominative form of defenestration.

de·fen·es·trate
dēˈfenəˌstrāt/
verb
1.throw (someone) out of a window.

Seems about right to me.

I often thought it would be a hoot if there was a superhero called the Defenestrator, whose arch enemy would have an underground lair. Turns out that someone actually worked a Defenestrator into a comic a while back. I want to say Grant Morrison in Doom Patrol but that might not be right.

Still, maybe Faith can change her codename to the Defenestratrix.

I thought the same, but it looks like Garth Ennis was the creator: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_8_(comics" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)

Yeah, what stuck in my mind was one of those Vertigo writers east of the pond.

It was always likely!