Bloodshot #0 Discussion

[BugsySig]

In the first or second issue, Kuretich says something to the effect of "Oh my beautiful blue eyed boy, what did they make you do?" That made it sound like it was one guy, not a collection of people.

I think its just a term of endearment he was using and not referring to his eyes...which are red.

[Blood of Heroes]

In the first or second issue, Kuretich says something to the effect of "Oh my beautiful blue eyed boy, what did they make you do?" That made it sound like it was one guy, not a collection of people.

I think its just a term of endearment he was using and not referring to his eyes...which are red.

Maybe the current nanite host's eyes were originally blue.

In the first or second issue, Kuretich says something to the effect of "Oh my beautiful blue eyed boy, what did they make you do?" That made it sound like it was one guy, not a collection of people.

Maybe not very many people (including Kuretich) knew the real origin or exactly WHAT they were actually dealing with?

Very possible.

[lorddunlow]

In the first or second issue, Kuretich says something to the effect of "Oh my beautiful blue eyed boy, what did they make you do?" That made it sound like it was one guy, not a collection of people.

I don't think he is a collection of people. I don't think he is a person at all. I think he is a living machine. Probably one that Kuretich worked on quite a bit and took ownership of (much like a father) which is very common with roboticists.

[Phoenix8008]

So if he's just a freewill machine, when Archer finally kills him as per Ivar's prediction, will he yell "SQUEEEEEEEE!" ???

[lorddunlow]

So if he's just a freewill machine, when Archer finally kills him as per Ivar's prediction, will he yell "SQUEEEEEEEE!" ???

[Blood of Heroes]

In the first or second issue, Kuretich says something to the effect of "Oh my beautiful blue eyed boy, what did they make you do?" That made it sound like it was one guy, not a collection of people.

I don't think he is a collection of people. I don't think he is a person at all. I think he is a living machine. Probably one that Kuretich worked on quite a bit and took ownership of (much like a father) which is very common with roboticists.

So are we going to see shades of Bladerunner where bloodshot doesn't know he isn't human?

[Phoenix8008]

In the first or second issue, Kuretich says something to the effect of "Oh my beautiful blue eyed boy, what did they make you do?" That made it sound like it was one guy, not a collection of people.

I don't think he is a collection of people. I don't think he is a person at all. I think he is a living machine. Probably one that Kuretich worked on quite a bit and took ownership of (much like a father) which is very common with roboticists.

So are we going to see shades of Bladerunner where bloodshot doesn't know he isn't human?

Could be interesting. He keeps searching for the truth of his identity and finds names of former 'doners' but still isn't sure which one is him. Makes it a longer trail to follow but it might all be false leads if he isn't really any of them in the end.

[lorddunlow]

In the first or second issue, Kuretich says something to the effect of "Oh my beautiful blue eyed boy, what did they make you do?" That made it sound like it was one guy, not a collection of people.

I don't think he is a collection of people. I don't think he is a person at all. I think he is a living machine. Probably one that Kuretich worked on quite a bit and took ownership of (much like a father) which is very common with roboticists.

So are we going to see shades of Bladerunner where bloodshot doesn't know he isn't human?

Could be interesting. He keeps searching for the truth of his identity and finds names of former 'doners' but still isn't sure which one is him. Makes it a longer trail to follow but it might all be false leads if he isn't really any of them in the end.

I really hope this is the case. It may be somewhat similar to Bladerunner (one of my all time favorite movies - the book is in my top 10 novels of all time), but I think it may be the first truly original idea for a superhero in a very long time.

[jmatt]

I'm still trying to decide how I felt about the issue after two reads. My gut reaction as a read is "meh". Seeing the reception it's getting here I'm sure you guys think I'm crazy.

As a zero issue, does it achieve what we normally think a zero issue should be about, that is, do we now understand the character's origin?

Judging by 4 pages of responses in 24 hours wondering about whether the Bloodshot in this issue is the Bloodshot in current timeline, and the back and forth about whether he harbors that single soul or is the amalgam of many souls, I'd have to say the answer is no.

If his original soul (and perhaps only) is black, why are all his memories as a white man? Why does the Kid appear white? They are the mental projection of the nanite hive-mind, so why white?

And as their pinnacle achievement, you'd think the words Project Rising Spirit would appear somewhere in the issue.

The book really didn't clear anything up for me. In a way, I feel like I know less than I did before.

[lorddunlow]

And as their pinnacle achievement, you'd think the words Project Rising Spirit would appear somewhere in the issue.

Rees mentions them on the first page - I think the second panel.

The book really didn't clear anything up for me. In a way, I feel like I know less than I did before.

That's why I liked it. For me, the mystery is the best thing Bloodshot has going for it. I was nervous the zero was going to give too many definitive answers.

[Blood of Heroes]

And as their pinnacle achievement, you'd think the words Project Rising Spirit would appear somewhere in the issue.

Look at the fourth sentence of the book.

[jmatt]

I was nervous the zero was going to give too many definitive answers.

I guess my question is did it give any definitive answers? I was expecting at least one true reveal.

[Blood of Heroes]

A little slow on the draw there, aren't I?

[Blood of Heroes]

I was nervous the zero was going to give too many definitive answers.

I guess my question is did it give any definitive answers? I was expecting at least one true reveal.

That *SQUEE* me off too. I don't like ending up with more questions and ZERO answers.

[jmatt]

And as their pinnacle achievement, you'd think the words Project Rising Spirit would appear somewhere in the issue.

Look at the fourth sentence of the book.

Duly noted.

[CallMeBloodshot]

In the first or second issue, Kuretich says something to the effect of "Oh my beautiful blue eyed boy, what did they make you do?" That made it sound like it was one guy, not a collection of people.

I don't think he is a collection of people. I don't think he is a person at all. I think he is a living machine. Probably one that Kuretich worked on quite a bit and took ownership of (much like a father) which is very common with roboticists.

How is he not a person? Our brains are essentially computers in that they process information. In this case the data is memories, and the software to carry it out is free will, or sentience. Of course he's a person. Anyone that can reflect on their actions and feel emotion is a person in my book.

[jmatt]

I was nervous the zero was going to give too many definitive answers.

I guess my question is did it give any definitive answers? I was expecting at least one true reveal.

That *SQUEE* me off too. I don't like ending up with more questions and ZERO answers.

One thing that confused me: Toward the end, he emerges from the nanite bath and makes his way toward Hutch(?) so he can kill the architect. So why is he killing everyone along the way? You'd think the lab agents would be escorting him there or something.

We're told that previously he would kill anyone that jeopardized a mission, but he certainly couldn't have been operating by killing every living human being he saw for no reason whatsoever...

I'm going to invoke suspension of disbelief in that a soul has a weight (nearly an ounce at that) and that the nanites can absorb it by being ordering to "grab everything" as someone is dying. That's a pretty unexplained idea, but I'll play along.

[lorddunlow]

In the first or second issue, Kuretich says something to the effect of "Oh my beautiful blue eyed boy, what did they make you do?" That made it sound like it was one guy, not a collection of people.

I don't think he is a collection of people. I don't think he is a person at all. I think he is a living machine. Probably one that Kuretich worked on quite a bit and took ownership of (much like a father) which is very common with roboticists.

How is he not a person? Our brains are essentially computers in that they process information. In this case the data is memories, and the software to carry it out is free will, or sentience. Of course he's a person. Anyone that can reflect on their actions and feel emotion is a person in my book.

You trying to get in good with SkyNet too? Good move.

I wouldn't consider a machine a person. That was my point. I really don't want to get in that debate, though.

[jmatt]

How is he not a person? Our brains are essentially computers in that they process information. In this case the data is memories, and the software to carry it out is free will, or sentience. Of course he's a person. Anyone that can reflect on their actions and feel emotion is a person in my book.

This issue makes me agree with Dunlow. The concept of Bloodshot (as presented here) is a bucket of nanites poured onto a bios mass that then shapes itself into human form.

Of course he's a person? Okay, who? That's what I think readers were expecting to learn and we still have no idea if he's that original guy from 1993 or has absorbed more souls since then. If so, which soul is Bloodshot?

As for reflecting on actions and feeling emotion, that may be something we see from time to time in the current timeline but it certainly was nowhere in this issue.

[hunter_peterson]

Jmatt, I think those guys Bloodshot kills immediately before the "architect" ARE the witnesses. You can see them in the background before he emerges from the pit of nanites.

And I think the question of "who is Bloodshot" has a much more simple answer than he would like... he's Bloodshot. An artificial intelligence with a human soul and the memories of dead men. He would like to be any of them, and both is and is not all of them. Whether or not he ever learns and accepts this is another story...

[lorddunlow]

[quote="hunter_peterson"

And I think the question of "who is Bloodshot" has a much more simple answer than he would like... he's Bloodshot. An artificial intelligence with a human soul and the memories of dead men. He would like to be any of them, and both is and is not all of them. Whether or not he ever learns and accepts this is another story...[/quote]

I agree.

[BugsySig]

In the first or second issue, Kuretich says something to the effect of "Oh my beautiful blue eyed boy, what did they make you do?" That made it sound like it was one guy, not a collection of people.

I don't think he is a collection of people. I don't think he is a person at all. I think he is a living machine. Probably one that Kuretich worked on quite a bit and took ownership of (much like a father) which is very common with roboticists.

How is he not a person? Our brains are essentially computers in that they process information. In this case the data is memories, and the software to carry it out is free will, or sentience. Of course he's a person. Anyone that can reflect on their actions and feel emotion is a person in my book.

Your argument reminded me of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PMlDidyG_I

One of the best episodes of Star Trek TNG

You would be Picard

[Blood of Heroes]

And I think the question of "who is Bloodshot" has a much more simple answer than he would like... he's Bloodshot. An artificial intelligence with a human soul and the memories of dead men. He would like to be any of them, and both is and is not all of them. Whether or not he ever learns and accepts this is another story...

It would certainly appear that way.

[Blood of Heroes]

In the first or second issue, Kuretich says something to the effect of "Oh my beautiful blue eyed boy, what did they make you do?" That made it sound like it was one guy, not a collection of people.

I don't think he is a collection of people. I don't think he is a person at all. I think he is a living machine. Probably one that Kuretich worked on quite a bit and took ownership of (much like a father) which is very common with roboticists.

How is he not a person? Our brains are essentially computers in that they process information. In this case the data is memories, and the software to carry it out is free will, or sentience. Of course he's a person. Anyone that can reflect on their actions and feel emotion is a person in my book.

Your argument reminded me of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PMlDidyG_I

One of the best episodes of Star Trek TNG

You would be Picard

I was going to make that exact same post!

[jmatt]

Jmatt, I think those guys Bloodshot kills immediately before the "architect" ARE the witnesses. You can see them in the background before he emerges from the pit of nanites.

Yeah, I saw them, it's just not clear to me why he thinks he has to kill them since they aren't in the room with Hutch and the architect (sorry, can't remember his name atm). And if he kills them because they attack him, why the heck are they attacking him?

And I think the question of "who is Bloodshot" has a much more simple answer than he would like... he's Bloodshot. An artificial intelligence with a human soul and the memories of dead men.

Very succinct; I like it.

But as a character element, mmm, it's a little inhibiting. So the big answer is that he isn't anyone? Not much backstory to explore there, other than what we've seen.



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