Daredevil #21 1st Appearance Of Superior Spider-Man

[Chiclo]

What's wrong with you, man?

Go yourself.

Seriously, dude, get a grip. I wouldn't even react that way, and I'm friggin' evil.

You're right. My bad.

SuperG --- I'm sorry... you go right on telling people that books are the next Hulk #181 as often as you want.
They can make up their own minds.

Your suspension has been lifted, after 20 minutes of my own insanity.

Shortest. Suspension. Ever.

This overtakes me with a WAVE of sadness.

[StarBrand]

Laugh all you want...

G

Oh, definitely not laughing at your input man. It's more of a market analysis thing. This Spider-Man thing is a gimmick story that years ago would've played out across 3 or so issues of the standard book. Nowadays it's an excuse for an event story for media attention by Marvel. Young Avengers was entertaining when that was published briefly, and that came with Joe Quesada going to hobby media and explaining how definitive and amazing those characters were, as if they were the rebirth of Marvel ground-and-flight superheroes who were going to be iconic for the next 40 years.

I'm not laughing at your I input either. Just so you know. To state with certainty this is a fad book shows a lack of thorough market analysis, though. Consider the possibility the Superior Spider-Man is still around when Peter returns as Spidey. Slott seems to like having more than one Spider-Man around. Also, we have a Scarlet Spider in Houston now. Consider the possibility Superior is not Doc Ock. I'm not saying either of these scenarios will play out, but they are possible. Is Batman 497 a fad book? That's a milestone event. To dismiss a board member's perspective with a post assuming you understand Daredevil 21 is a fad book is a rude joke. The jury is still out as to whether this will be a key book down the road. It'll depend on the plans Marvel has for Superior Spider-Man.
I hope superggraphics keeps posting here, despite the way he has been treated in this thread.

[greg]

DD #21 is $4.99 on Ebay again... unsold for the moment: http://www.ebay.com/itm/261145269698" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Two sold.

Seller put up 5 more, still $4.99: http://www.ebay.com/itm/251203192388" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[greg]

Since this thread has now become about supporting ridiculous speculation on a FAD book, knowing perfectly well that there hasn't been a single issue of Spider-man from ANY title in 35 years that even approaches the level of "what could be the next... blah, blah, BS"... so I'll go ahead and throw an extra "I agree" behind one of the more reasonable posts in this topic of "debate":

I really doubt that Daredevil #21 will be worth more than $10 in a year really. It is a lot of hot air and if anyone thinks that The Superior Spider-Man replace Peter Parker for longer than 3 years max then as the song says: I got ocean front property in Arizona for you and if you act fast I will throw the Golden Gate Bridge in free.

+1

Is Batman 497 a fad book? That's a milestone event.

A worthless milestone. Literally, how much does it cost to get this book today? After 20 years? After a billion-dollar movie where Bane breaks Batman's back? What's it worth? Nothing.

Those who do not learn from comic industry history are destined to sit on a mountain of worthless comics they knew were the next big thing.

Just because it's a FAD doesn't mean you can't make a few bucks right now... go for it. Quickly.

[greg]

Since most guys reading this are probably assuming that I'm over-reacting... let me share some more wisdom from superg:

Inside word I got (and the word is good) is that if Valiant doesn't start taking off big time after FCBD 2013 with movie options going forward they may go the way of Dark Horse's failed Gold Key relaunch...

G

This is definitely the right messageboard to post about the next big Marvel book and to start a discussion about the demise of Valiant.

After all, this is MarvelFans.com

[400yrs]

Greg is just mad because no VEI regular issues sell for more than cover price. And if they do, it's because of confusion as to whether it's a chase variant, a common variant or a regular issue.

<runs and hides>

Only joking.

[Elveen]

Greg is just mad because no VEI regular issues sell for more than cover price. And if they do, it's because of confusion as to whether it's a chase variant, a common variant or a regular issue.

<runs and hides>

Only joking.

I wonder if it will always be that way? Pre-unity was the same for a bit. not saying that VEI will get the same huge price bump that Harby #1 or Rai #3 or Solar 10 will get, but ....... maybe, in like a year and a half.

[IMJ]

Oh, definitely not laughing at your input man. It's more of a market analysis thing. This Spider-Man thing is a gimmick story that years ago would've played out across 3 or so issues of the standard book. Nowadays it's an excuse for an event story for media attention by Marvel. Young Avengers was entertaining when that was published briefly, and that came with Joe Quesada going to hobby media and explaining how definitive and amazing those characters were, as if they were the rebirth of Marvel ground-and-flight superheroes who were going to be iconic for the next 40 years.

I'm not laughing at your I input either. Just so you know. To state with certainty this is a fad book shows a lack of thorough market analysis, though. Consider the possibility the Superior Spider-Man is still around when Peter returns as Spidey. Slott seems to like having more than one Spider-Man around. Also, we have a Scarlet Spider in Houston now. Consider the possibility Superior is not Doc Ock. I'm not saying either of these scenarios will play out, but they are possible. Is Batman 497 a fad book? That's a milestone event. To dismiss a board member's perspective with a post assuming you understand Daredevil 21 is a fad book is a rude joke. The jury is still out as to whether this will be a key book down the road. It'll depend on the plans Marvel has for Superior Spider-Man.
I hope superggraphics keeps posting here, despite the way he has been treated in this thread.

It's a fad book man. We've been in the hobby long enough to know what might stick and what's a publicity stunt. It's a fad book. Market analysis can also be done by understanding the past patterns of these things, hence my relatively easy Young Avengers post earlier, although that's not as solid an example of a fad book as this.

I also never said anything to superggraphics resembling that he shouldn't post here. If he and you are that sensitive to these things, then I'd say the problem might lie elsewhere than with my posts. I mean...

I'm going to take this an entirely different direction here because your criticism here of me is so outlandish that it's actually angering. I said a book was a "fad" book and you are calling me rude for levying that opinion. Are you an emotional midget or something dude? Seriously. It's like you are the guy in the cube office that can't make it and so he leverages himself by calling as many people out as he can regarding alleged "insensitive" behavior - like a child or something. "He picked on me". I said a book was a fad book, it's not like I called you or supergraphics a pansy. Pansy. *SQUEE* *SQUEE* me off.

[nutflush76]

Well all that being said I have two copies up on the bay right now. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... RK:MESE:IT

We'll see if they sell for what I am asking. Hopefully that other guy sells out of his.

I did alright with my Batman and Batgirl #13's and now look at them!

If nothing else, I will hopefully get a bunch of people looking at what I have in my store!

[400yrs]

Greg is just mad because no VEI regular issues sell for more than cover price. And if they do, it's because of confusion as to whether it's a chase variant, a common variant or a regular issue.

<runs and hides>

Only joking.

I wonder if it will always be that way? Pre-unity was the same for a bit. not saying that VEI will get the same huge price bump that Harby #1 or Rai #3 or Solar 10 will get, but ....... maybe, in like a year and a half.

Could be. I buy all the non #1 issues I find in dollar bins for that reason. If there's a rise in popularity in a year or so, there's a chance.

[Elveen]

Greg is just mad because no VEI regular issues sell for more than cover price. And if they do, it's because of confusion as to whether it's a chase variant, a common variant or a regular issue.

<runs and hides>

Only joking.

I wonder if it will always be that way? Pre-unity was the same for a bit. not saying that VEI will get the same huge price bump that Harby #1 or Rai #3 or Solar 10 will get, but ....... maybe, in like a year and a half.

Could be. I buy all the non #1 issues I find in dollar bins for that reason. If there's a rise in popularity in a year or so, there's a chance.

I'd say that is a good strategy. I can also say that I don't see many of these books in the cheap bins. Also, most stores do not have huge stacks of any of the books.

[400yrs]

Agreed. Most stores I go to still have #1s or later printings of the #2s, but the other regular issues, not so much.

[Cyberstrike]

Oh, definitely not laughing at your input man. It's more of a market analysis thing. This Spider-Man thing is a gimmick story that years ago would've played out across 3 or so issues of the standard book. Nowadays it's an excuse for an event story for media attention by Marvel. Young Avengers was entertaining when that was published briefly, and that came with Joe Quesada going to hobby media and explaining how definitive and amazing those characters were, as if they were the rebirth of Marvel ground-and-flight superheroes who were going to be iconic for the next 40 years.

I'm not laughing at your I input either. Just so you know. To state with certainty this is a fad book shows a lack of thorough market analysis, though. Consider the possibility the Superior Spider-Man is still around when Peter returns as Spidey. Slott seems to like having more than one Spider-Man around. Also, we have a Scarlet Spider in Houston now. Consider the possibility Superior is not Doc Ock. I'm not saying either of these scenarios will play out, but they are possible. Is Batman 497 a fad book? That's a milestone event. To dismiss a board member's perspective with a post assuming you understand Daredevil 21 is a fad book is a rude joke. The jury is still out as to whether this will be a key book down the road. It'll depend on the plans Marvel has for Superior Spider-Man.
I hope superggraphics keeps posting here, despite the way he has been treated in this thread.

It's a fad book man. We've been in the hobby long enough to know what might stick and what's a publicity stunt. It's a fad book. Market analysis can also be done by understanding the past patterns of these things, hence my relatively easy Young Avengers post earlier, although that's not as solid an example of a fad book as this.

I also never said anything to superggraphics resembling that he shouldn't post here. If he and you are that sensitive to these things, then I'd say the problem might lie elsewhere than with my posts. I mean...

I'm going to take this an entirely different direction here because your criticism here of me is so outlandish that it's actually angering. I said a book was a "fad" book and you are calling me rude for levying that opinion. Are you an emotional midget or something dude? Seriously. It's like you are the guy in the cube office that can't make it and so he leverages himself by calling as many people out as he can regarding alleged "insensitive" behavior - like a child or something. "He picked on me". I said a book was a fad book, it's not like I called you or supergraphics a pansy. Pansy. *SQUEE* *SQUEE* me off.

I wouldn't even call it a fad book, sense that means doing something very popular at the moment, I don't see anything in The Superior Spider-Man or any of it's prelude as being popular with most fans, in fact I would say quite the opposite. I would call it a PR Stunt book and my earlier post giving both the character and the book 3 years max to last, now in retrospect seems extremely too generous.

[etos45]

I wouldn't even call it a fad book, sense that means doing something very popular at the moment, I don't see anything in The Superior Spider-Man or any of it's prelude as being popular with most fans, in fact I would say quite the opposite. I would call it a PR Stunt book and my earlier post giving both the character and the book 3 years max to last, now in retrospect seems extremely too generous.

I agree with this. I will quit collecting when Amazing Spider-man ends. If Superior Spider-man is really just Doc Ock in Peter's body, then I have no interest in reading it anyways. I'm still behind on my reading, though, so I don't know if that's really the case.

I don't see this going past 2013. They may keep "Superior Spider-man" around with an altered name, but the Amazing (Peter Parker) Spider-man will be back by then, I'm sure.

[Tim]

Sure, it's a fad book.

I still like being told that things are selling for an unusual price on eBay, even if it's a fluke or an isolated few listings. I hardly ever search eBay, so it's people posting things like this that has lead to me to flipping current books for more than I paid for them on occasion.

I guiess I'm missing something, but what has SG done so wrong here?

[IMJ]

I wouldn't even call it a fad book, sense that means doing something very popular at the moment, I don't see anything in The Superior Spider-Man or any of it's prelude as being popular with most fans, in fact I would say quite the opposite. I would call it a PR Stunt book and my earlier post giving both the character and the book 3 years max to last, now in retrospect seems extremely too generous.

Well said.....

Sure, it's a fad book.

I still like being told that things are selling for an unusual price on eBay, even if it's a fluke or an isolated few listings. I hardly ever search eBay, so it's people posting things like this that has lead to me to flipping current books for more than I paid for them on occasion.

I guiess I'm missing something, but what has SG done so wrong here?

He didn't do anything wrong. It was just a speculation thread about the status of the book, but most of us disagree with the position that this book is or will be relevant. Actually, if anyone here was wronged here it was me - called out by an emotion-flinger for being rude because I said a book was a "fad" book. Apparently we are so far gone nowadays that calling a comic book a "fad book" is "insensitive". *SQUEE* dumb *SQUEE* manipulative *SQUEE*. Claiming "insensitivity" over nonsense to further their own agenda.

I'm gonna walk away from this thread which, unbelievably to me, has made me physically angry.

[StarBrand]

I wouldn't even call it a fad book, sense that means doing something very popular at the moment, I don't see anything in The Superior Spider-Man or any of it's prelude as being popular with most fans, in fact I would say quite the opposite. I would call it a PR Stunt book and my earlier post giving both the character and the book 3 years max to last, now in retrospect seems extremely too generous.

Well said.....

Sure, it's a fad book.

I still like being told that things are selling for an unusual price on eBay, even if it's a fluke or an isolated few listings. I hardly ever search eBay, so it's people posting things like this that has lead to me to flipping current books for more than I paid for them on occasion.

I guiess I'm missing something, but what has SG done so wrong here?

He didn't do anything wrong. It was just a speculation thread about the status of the book, but most of us disagree with the position that this book is or will be relevant. Actually, if anyone here was wronged here it was me - called out by an emotion-flinger for being rude because I said a book was a "fad" book. Apparently we are so far gone nowadays that calling a comic book a "fad book" is "insensitive". *SQUEE* dumb *SQUEE* manipulative *SQUEE*. Claiming "insensitivity" over nonsense to further their own agenda.

I'm gonna walk away from this thread which, unbelievably to me, has made me physically angry.

I apoligize to you if I got carried away. Sorry.

[IMJ]

I apoligize to you if I got carried away. Sorry.

I am immediately relieved. Seriously. Besides, how can I hold a grudge against a guy whose handle is "Starbrand"? Seriously. The most powerful and passive guy in the Universe, let's go of his power for Quasar? Done deal, man.

[MarrowMan]

Wow this Superior Spider Man fiasco is creating some drama isn't it? But Hulk 181 it sure as hell isn't.

[IMJ]

Wow this Superior Spider Man fiasco is creating some drama isn't it? But Hulk 181 it sure as hell isn't.

[MarkRoseHFX]

It smells like a fad to me too but who really knows I guess. Is it any good? I haven't read any of it but everything i've seen in previews for it looks and sounds awful to me.

[SnotDrip]

What's wrong with you, man?

Go yourself.

Seriously, dude, get a grip. I wouldn't even react that way, and I'm friggin' evil.

You're right. My bad.

SuperG --- I'm sorry... you go right on telling people that books are the next Hulk #181 as often as you want.
They can make up their own minds.

Your suspension has been lifted, after 20 minutes of my own insanity.

Shortest. Suspension. Ever.

freaking brilliant...
safe holidays all

[StarBrand]

I apoligize to you if I got carried away. Sorry.

I am immediately relieved. Seriously. Besides, how can I hold a grudge against a guy whose handle is "Starbrand"? Seriously. The most powerful and passive guy in the Universe, let's go of his power for Quasar? Done deal, man.

Thanks, friend.

[nutflush76]

Well all that being said I have two copies up on the bay right now. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... RK:MESE:IT

We'll see if they sell for what I am asking. Hopefully that other guy sells out of his.

I did alright with my Batman and Batgirl #13's and now look at them!

If nothing else, I will hopefully get a bunch of people looking at what I have in my store!

A story of how ebayers make no sense:

I had two copies up for a few days at a BIN of $11.00 each and nobody bought them. So I figured I would send one to auction to see what the market would be. I started the auction at $.99 and I left the other copy at $11.00. After the entire 7 day auction went by, nobody purchased the $11.00 BIN issue.

You know what the final price was on the auction?

$11.00

So, the winner had to wait the entire week and they paid exactly the same amount the they would have if they had just bought the fixed price listing.

I guess the talk about "auction fever" is true.

Anyway, I have one more up. I wonder what this one will go for?