DC Relaunch Story Discussions ONLY (no market info or spec)

[leonmallett]

I'm not Jonesy but I will join!

[BruceReville]

Hawk and Dove was awesome. I'm going to call up Jonesy and start a Hawk and Dove by Liefeld fan club if anyone wants in. We will have a them song and membership cards.

I'll join only because it contains the best feet Liefeld has never drawn -- until now

[ian_house]

Hawk and Dove was awesome. I'm going to call up Jonesy and start a Hawk and Dove by Liefeld fan club if anyone wants in. We will have a them song and membership cards.

I'll join only because it contains the best feet Liefeld has never drawn -- until now

Actually drawing feet is a pretty big achievement!

[Chiclo]

My apologies. Apparently I'm drunk. The offer still stands though.

This statement doesn't tend to accompany good life decisions.

[xodacia81]

Finally sat down with the first six issues of Red Lanterns and Green Lantern. I had read the 1st issue of both when they arrived on shelves, but decided to let the story collect a bit before going further. Where to begin?

The artwork in both is never less than solid, and sometimes, in Red Lanterns, veers into greatness. Much as I like DM's work on GL, I think he needs to either turn in his pencils to the next guy or take a several-month-break, to refresh himself.

The storylines in these, though...now that's where it really shines. Milligan, in particular, is doing some fascinating stuff in RL, and Johns is staying the course for exploring the Sinestro/Hal parallel. In the case of Red Lanterns, the idea of a human RL, particularly given the growing awareness of certain RL's, could become something to remember. Given Milligan's track record, I have no doubts this will turn into something special.

As to GL, I really hope Ganthet hasn't gone zombie, but I do think that Johns is building towards the eventual overthrow of the GOTU. That, or he's setting them up as the ultimate villains of the DCU. All in all, I'm pleased with these two titles. I had considered dropping RL, just because I wasn't sure it would fit in my budget, but having read the other five issues, I'm in it for the long haul...and guess what? It's all down to the varied and well defined characters. I WANT to learn more about these ones, and when that happens, I know I'm dealing with a good writer.

[ian_house]

Finally sat down with the first six issues of Red Lanterns and Green Lantern. I had read the 1st issue of both when they arrived on shelves, but decided to let the story collect a bit before going further. Where to begin?

The artwork in both is never less than solid, and sometimes, in Red Lanterns, veers into greatness. Much as I like DM's work on GL, I think he needs to either turn in his pencils to the next guy or take a several-month-break, to refresh himself.

The storylines in these, though...now that's where it really shines. Milligan, in particular, is doing some fascinating stuff in RL, and Johns is staying the course for exploring the Sinestro/Hal parallel. In the case of Red Lanterns, the idea of a human RL, particularly given the growing awareness of certain RL's, could become something to remember. Given Milligan's track record, I have no doubts this will turn into something special.

As to GL, I really hope Ganthet hasn't gone zombie, but I do think that Johns is building towards the eventual overthrow of the GOTU. That, or he's setting them up as the ultimate villains of the DCU. All in all, I'm pleased with these two titles. I had considered dropping RL, just because I wasn't sure it would fit in my budget, but having read the other five issues, I'm in it for the long haul...and guess what? It's all down to the varied and well defined characters. I WANT to learn more about these ones, and when that happens, I know I'm dealing with a good writer.

Glad to hear they are good. I skipped all the GL books with the new 52, I was tired of the whole 'Guardians are good, now they are bad, they took whoevers ring, they come back save the day, reset' which seemed to be going on again at the end of the old DCU. Red Lanterns looked like alot of fun, maybe something to catch up with in trade.

[chisumwomack]

My apologies. Apparently I'm drunk. The offer still stands though.

This statement doesn't tend to accompany good life decisions.

True.

[xodacia81]

Finally sat down with the first six issues of Red Lanterns and Green Lantern. I had read the 1st issue of both when they arrived on shelves, but decided to let the story collect a bit before going further. Where to begin?

The artwork in both is never less than solid, and sometimes, in Red Lanterns, veers into greatness. Much as I like DM's work on GL, I think he needs to either turn in his pencils to the next guy or take a several-month-break, to refresh himself.

The storylines in these, though...now that's where it really shines. Milligan, in particular, is doing some fascinating stuff in RL, and Johns is staying the course for exploring the Sinestro/Hal parallel. In the case of Red Lanterns, the idea of a human RL, particularly given the growing awareness of certain RL's, could become something to remember. Given Milligan's track record, I have no doubts this will turn into something special.

As to GL, I really hope Ganthet hasn't gone zombie, but I do think that Johns is building towards the eventual overthrow of the GOTU. That, or he's setting them up as the ultimate villains of the DCU. All in all, I'm pleased with these two titles. I had considered dropping RL, just because I wasn't sure it would fit in my budget, but having read the other five issues, I'm in it for the long haul...and guess what? It's all down to the varied and well defined characters. I WANT to learn more about these ones, and when that happens, I know I'm dealing with a good writer.

Glad to hear they are good. I skipped all the GL books with the new 52, I was tired of the whole 'Guardians are good, now they are bad, they took whoevers ring, they come back save the day, reset' which seemed to be going on again at the end of the old DCU. Red Lanterns looked like alot of fun, maybe something to catch up with in trade.

It certainly is. I'd say that right now, if I was forced to decide "good or evil" on the GOTU, I would say evil, by way of ultra logic/lack of compassion. When by comparison Larfleeze, Sinestro and Atrocitus start looking like warm and fuzzy alternatives-though still nasty folk-the GOTU have gone over the edge. I don't see any resolution to this except perhaps another rebirth of them. Or, utter elimination. Oh, and another thing...

The GL books seem to be taking place in "old" continuity.

[BruceReville]

The GL books had a "soft" relaunch/reboot to the point that yes - nothing has changed.

[Dr. Solar]

My apologies. Apparently I'm drunk. The offer still stands though.

This statement doesn't tend to accompany good life decisions.

"Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut."
-- Ernest Hemingway

[xodacia81]

The GL books had a "soft" relaunch/reboot to the point that yes - nothing has changed.

Spoke too soon. Just read the first 6 issues of GLC, and Martian Manhunter is in there...as a member of Stormwatch. Guy Gardner appeared totally unfamiliar with him.

[BruceReville]

The GL books had a "soft" relaunch/reboot to the point that yes - nothing has changed.

Spoke too soon. Just read the first 6 issues of GLC, and Martian Manhunter is in there...as a member of Stormwatch. Guy Gardner appeared totally unfamiliar with him.

In the GL Universe much of nothing has changed as to where the rest of the DC Universe much of nothing has stayed the same. Makes for confusing times to say the least.

[xodacia81]

The GL books had a "soft" relaunch/reboot to the point that yes - nothing has changed.

Spoke too soon. Just read the first 6 issues of GLC, and Martian Manhunter is in there...as a member of Stormwatch. Guy Gardner appeared totally unfamiliar with him.

In the GL Universe much of nothing has changed as to where the rest of the DC Universe much of nothing has stayed the same. Makes for confusing times to say the least.

It really makes me wonder if universeS are colliding.

[chisumwomack]

My apologies. Apparently I'm drunk. The offer still stands though.

This statement doesn't tend to accompany good life decisions.

"Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut."
-- Ernest Hemingway

After much reflection, I've decided this is too big a project for any one man to take on. The fine subtle nuances of the artwork, the way the characters expressions really tell the story, etc. Too much for me to handle.

[xodacia81]

Hawk and Dove was awesome. I'm going to call up Jonesy and start a Hawk and Dove by Liefeld fan club if anyone wants in. We will have a them song and membership cards.

Dear god man...a club based on several short lived series? Zounds!

[caxiotis]

Just read swamp thing and animal man #7' and gotta say greatness. These series' keep getting better and better. (5/5) genius again

[xodacia81]

In order to get to the point I want to make, I need to appear to blather for a bit by way of a list. So, to that end: the "New 52" titles I'm reading are the GL family of books, JLA, Flash, Green Arrow and Aquaman. I had intended to get Wonder Woman, the other JL books, the Superman books, Stormwatch and Swamp Thing. As it turns out, my LC did not pull them in time and I wound up missing several issues. So, my question, which I will start off with, is this:

Are the others worth hunting down, or best to go the trade route or best to forget all together? Are there any books I really should "look out for?" I keep hearing good things about Demon Knights-or whatever it is, the one with The Demon in it-and also Animal Man.

Am I really missing out on major doings by not getting more books? Is anyone else as overall pleased, with minor reservations, as I have been? The only letdown I've had has been Green Arrow. I'm gonna give the new team their first arc, but unless they start to grow Ollie up a bit, I'm out. Part of what attracted me to the character is the world weariness and the "I've put up with this *SQUEE* for 35+ years and I've had enough of it." Now, they have Ollie as a kid in his early twenties doing a bad Batman impression, surrounded by techies and, sigh, once again, totally out of control of his own company. As somebody who has every Green Arrow issue going back to the early 80's 4-part miniseries, dropping the book and not having a complete collection is something I never thought would happen.

Now, to the positive. I LOVE Aquaman. I've not loved it this much since Time & Tide came along and set in motion the greatest 2 years of Aquaman stories ever. Until now. The art and the story in this are combining to create what I feel might be a modern classic. For once, we are going to get Arthur Curry investigating what the hell happend to Atlantis to make it sink.

As to The Flash...Ian House has mentioned his reservations about things like Iris being the only member of the West family, and the relationship Barry has with his partner, both of which I admit, have taken me a bit aback, but I'm going with it, for now. As long as they don't turn the book totally upside down, I'm in this for the long haul.

JLA has shocked me. I expected nothing but a bunch of dumb beatemups, and while there have been those moments, there've also been some good character scenes. The return of the New Gods was nicedly handled, and the group came together about as one might expect given the changes to the DCU.

Now, for GL...simply put, every single book has me. I don't know if New Guardians is going to just be a maxi series, 12-16 issues or if they intend to keep it going, but along with Red Lanterns, it is breathing new life into the family of books.

So, what was this all about? I've enjoyed the new DCU, but I have some "concerns" that may just be from missing things. In Green Arrow...no more Eddie Fyers, no more Connor Hawke, no more Mia and Ollie has no history with Hal or Dinah. The Martian Manhunter is now a complete secret to the DCU at large. Superman is back to where he was in the 80's, with some significant twists. So, where the hell did the CADMUS Superboy come from if there was no Death of Superman?

This leads me to my other theory...in Flashpoint # 5, we saw the universes folding. Did they really split or merge? The GL books seem largely set in the "old" DCU, aside from J.Jonz appearing in GLC. So, is there still a multiverse and some of the books are taking place there-as hinted by the coming Earth 2 book-or, are we in a sort of Amalgam universe, similar to what happened around Crisis on Infinite Earths?

Anyone?

[400yrs]

If you aren't getting Animal Man and Batman, you are missing out on the best of the new DCU. Swamp Thing is not far behind. Other than that, I'm still reading Flash and Aquaman and love them both.

[Tim]

So, where the hell did the CADMUS Superboy come from if there was no Death of Superman?

I think they said that the Death of Superman did happen. Not sure how they plan on explaining it, but I do remember that being said.

This leads me to my other theory...in Flashpoint # 5, we saw the universes folding. Did they really split or merge? The GL books seem largely set in the "old" DCU, aside from J.Jonz appearing in GLC. So, is there still a multiverse and some of the books are taking place there-as hinted by the coming Earth 2 book-or, are we in a sort of Amalgam universe, similar to what happened around Crisis on Infinite Earths?

Anyone?

I'm still praying that this is just a Heroes Reborn type deal and I'll have my DCU back soon.

I somehow doubt it, though.

[xodacia81]

So, where the hell did the CADMUS Superboy come from if there was no Death of Superman?

I think they said that the Death of Superman did happen. Not sure how they plan on explaining it, but I do remember that being said.

This leads me to my other theory...in Flashpoint # 5, we saw the universes folding. Did they really split or merge? The GL books seem largely set in the "old" DCU, aside from J.Jonz appearing in GLC. So, is there still a multiverse and some of the books are taking place there-as hinted by the coming Earth 2 book-or, are we in a sort of Amalgam universe, similar to what happened around Crisis on Infinite Earths?

Anyone?

I'm still praying that this is just a Heroes Reborn type deal and I'll have my DCU back soon.

I somehow doubt it, though.

I'm wondering if it isn't just a multiverse thing or an amalgam. I could deal with a bottle uni. As for the Death of Supes...are Action and Superman taking place 5 years ago now, too, like JLA is/was? If so...does that mean we're now being told a "history"? If so, will we suddenly get a jump or will we be taken through the stories to present day?

[Tim]

I think it'd be cool if DC would publish 4-5 books in the old continuity, kind of like what would have happened if at the end of Flashpoint, the old status quo returned. The New DCU could be the main continuity if DC chooses and the other old continuity could be their "Ultimate" universe if you will. A streamlined universe. A Superman title, a Batman title, Justice League and maybe a few more. I imagine they would sell as well as their counterparts and keep a very vocal fanbase appeased.

I mean, does anyone actually think that books like G.I. Combat, I, Vampire, Resurrection Man, and all the Wildstorm stuff is going to last any time at all? They could afford to publish something like this, I think.

(typing that made me feel more like a desperate fanboy than I believe I ever have before. )

[xodacia81]

I think it'd be cool if DC would publish 4-5 books in the old continuity, kind of like what would have happened if at the end of Flashpoint, the old status quo returned. The New DCU could be the main continuity if DC chooses and the other old continuity could be their "Ultimate" universe if you will. A streamlined universe. A Superman title, a Batman title, Justice League and maybe a few more. I imagine they would sell as well as their counterparts and keep a very vocal fanbase appeased.

I mean, does anyone actually think that books like G.I. Combat, I, Vampire, Resurrection Man, and all the Wildstorm stuff is going to last any time at all? They could afford to publish something like this, I think.

(typing that made me feel more like a desperate fanboy than I believe I ever have before. )

That wouldn't be bad. I still see the Green Lantern books as coming close to being in old continuity. GLNG/RL/GL...those have all essentially remained "untouched" by the new stuff. The only connection GLC has had is Martian Manhunter and its connections to the other GL books are slim right now.

[xodacia81]

If you aren't getting Animal Man and Batman, you are missing out on the best of the new DCU. Swamp Thing is not far behind. Other than that, I'm still reading Flash and Aquaman and love them both.

Agreed about those last two and I've heard good things about Animal Man and Swamp Thing. Have you tried the GL books? Might not be your cuppa, but I'm loving them.

[superman-prime]

just got all the gl books, ganna sit down and waste 2 hours on them.

[xodacia81]

just got all the gl books, ganna sit down and waste 2 hours on them.

It won't be a waste