Is VEI dead or dying?

[Phantom..]

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[wrunow]

Is this all BS so the TM's don't lapse?

No

[jedimarley]

Is this all BS so the TM's don't lapse?

No

So what is it? What does it mean? Tell us. Spill it. Enough of this BS. If you have info. Tell us.

[Brother J]

Is this all BS so the TM's don't lapse?

No

So what is it? What does it mean? Tell us. Spill it. Enough of this BS. If you have info. Tell us.

You'll be the last to know, you're not even welcome on the VEI Facebook page. No info for you!

[jedimarley]

Is this all BS so the TM's don't lapse?

No

So what is it? What does it mean? Tell us. Spill it. Enough of this BS. If you have info. Tell us.

You'll be the last to know, you're not even welcome on the VEI Facebook page. No info for you!

Not losing any sleep over it.

[Chiclo]

Is this all BS so the TM's don't lapse?

No

So what is it? What does it mean? Tell us. Spill it. Enough of this BS. If you have info. Tell us.

You'll be the last to know, you're not even welcome on the VEI Facebook page. No info for you!

I don't even have a facebook. Does that put me behind jedi?

[Phantom..]

no ~ I don't have facebook either.
Cannot chance being banned
Jedi must of really annoyed them some how ~ or not! Who knows

Just cannot be bothered with twitter and kill my own meat facebook child multi billioniares.

But in reality ~ its just another password, another way for people you don't know ~ to know your business.

[etos45]

Maybe it's the cover to Rai #00.

Looks like Bloodshot to me...

Yep. Btw, there is text that becomes visible only by marking it.

/Magnus

Text?

All content ™ and © 2011 Valiant Entertainment, Inc., a subsidiary of The Harbinger Foundation [hidden text]

You know, I even saw that and it just didn't click with me that it wasn't there before. Thanks for pointing that out.

[Tetsuo_Great]

So there really is a Bloodshot movie in the works?

I don't think a changed front page is proof/evidence that a movie is moving ahead. That is not to say that it isn't happening, just that this page means nothing in that regard.

Imdb lists a movie titled "Bloodshot" for 2013, but that is no guarantee (does any willing board memeber have full imdb access to gather more info BTW?).

Harbinger movie had a director announced in 2008 and had a Paramount push but what has come of that? Nada - so until I see something more than an off-handed remark from Matthew Vaughn I wouldn't hold my breath.

He did: http://www.superherohype.com/features/a ... hew-vaughn

SHH: What about these other things? Was adapting Valiant's "Bloodshot" something you were really considering at one point.
Vaughn: I'm getting a new draft of it next week. Yeah, there are not many things. I'm so exhausted I'm going to take at least a couple months off now and then… it's very weird but if I have to make a movie, it's 'cause I see the whole thing in my head and I know it's going to be effortless in a sense of engaging my mind. That hasn't happened yet on what my next project is going to be.

It's still very unlikely it will be his next film tho.

[BruceReville]

So there really is a Bloodshot movie in the works?

I don't think a changed front page is proof/evidence that a movie is moving ahead. That is not to say that it isn't happening, just that this page means nothing in that regard.

Imdb lists a movie titled "Bloodshot" for 2013, but that is no guarantee (does any willing board memeber have full imdb access to gather more info BTW?).

Harbinger movie had a director announced in 2008 and had a Paramount push but what has come of that? Nada - so until I see something more than an off-handed remark from Matthew Vaughn I wouldn't hold my breath.

He did: http://www.superherohype.com/features/a ... hew-vaughn

SHH: What about these other things? Was adapting Valiant's "Bloodshot" something you were really considering at one point.
Vaughn: I'm getting a new draft of it next week. Yeah, there are not many things. I'm so exhausted I'm going to take at least a couple months off now and then… it's very weird but if I have to make a movie, it's 'cause I see the whole thing in my head and I know it's going to be effortless in a sense of engaging my mind. That hasn't happened yet on what my next project is going to be.

It's still very unlikely it will be his next film tho.

That was the off-handed remark I was refering to in response to the question he answered. "I'm getting a new draft of it next week." -- and that was it. The rest of the statement was about being exhausted - taking a break - needing to focus, but nothing coming to mind about his next project. If you read the entire interview he was more than happy to talk about doing a sequel to X-Men First Class and about the movie coming out this weekend.

We have had more buzz from when the Harbinger movie rumors were floating around than Bloodshot. Will Bloodshot never happen - don't know - will it ever happen - don't know. It just takes more than what I consider an "Eh" comment to sway me either way.

[Blood of Heroes]

So there really is a Bloodshot movie in the works?

I don't think a changed front page is proof/evidence that a movie is moving ahead. That is not to say that it isn't happening, just that this page means nothing in that regard.

Imdb lists a movie titled "Bloodshot" for 2013, but that is no guarantee (does any willing board memeber have full imdb access to gather more info BTW?).

Harbinger movie had a director announced in 2008 and had a Paramount push but what has come of that? Nada - so until I see something more than an off-handed remark from Matthew Vaughn I wouldn't hold my breath.

He did: http://www.superherohype.com/features/a ... hew-vaughn

SHH: What about these other things? Was adapting Valiant's "Bloodshot" something you were really considering at one point.
Vaughn: I'm getting a new draft of it next week. Yeah, there are not many things. I'm so exhausted I'm going to take at least a couple months off now and then… it's very weird but if I have to make a movie, it's 'cause I see the whole thing in my head and I know it's going to be effortless in a sense of engaging my mind. That hasn't happened yet on what my next project is going to be.

It's still very unlikely it will be his next film tho.

Welcome to the board?

[sanman]

Maybe it's the cover to Rai #00.

Looks like Bloodshot to me...

Yep. Btw, there is text that becomes visible only by marking it.

/Magnus

Text?

All content ™ and © 2011 Valiant Entertainment, Inc., a subsidiary of The Harbinger Foundation [hidden text]

You know, I even saw that and it just didn't click with me that it wasn't there before. Thanks for pointing that out.

That’s hilarious—hadn’t noticed it.

[IanAlexavier]

Looks like Bloodshot to me...

Yep. Btw, there is text that becomes visible only by marking it.

/Magnus

Text?

All content ™ and © 2011 Valiant Entertainment, Inc., a subsidiary of The Harbinger Foundation [hidden text]

You know, I even saw that and it just didn't click with me that it wasn't there before. Thanks for pointing that out.

That’s hilarious—hadn’t noticed it.

Nice catch!! Thats fun!!!

[Draco]

So i guess the overall answer to the thread question is a satisfying neither.

[ian_house]

So i guess the overall answer to the thread question is a satisfying neither.

How dare you try to finish the thread here

[superman-prime]

its back from the dead something valiant never did

[leonmallett]

Still nothing.


I plan to post at least once a month in this thread simply because I don't think VEI are going to publish comic books, and though it may make me a negative nelly, and I want to be proved wrong, I don't think I will be...

So it looks like I may be proven wrong on comic book publication - wholly accepted when/if VEI publish comic books; but I think my concerns that other media licensing was the primary focus seems to be substantiated by the CBR reports.

I still plan to post in this thread each month until the first VEI-published comic book appears.

I am pleased they (VEI) appear to be proving me wrong - now please follow through on that VEI and prove doubters like me to be wrong in our estimation of your intents and/or capablities.

[greg]

Considering the fact that the entire comic book industry does not sustain itself through publishing,
but through actual billion-dollar media (whether movies or video games or television or toys, or more likely a combination of these),
I don't think anyone thought Valiant Entertainment was about publishing comics without looking to "do something" with them.

Of course VEI has "actual profit" as a goal.
That's like predicting the sun will come up.
Only Harold Camping would say it won't.

[leonmallett]

Considering the fact that the entire comic book industry does not sustain itself through publishing,
but through actual billion-dollar media (whether movies or video games or television or toys, or more likely a combination of these),
I don't think anyone thought Valiant Entertainment was about publishing comics without looking to "do something" with them.

Of course VEI has "actual profit" as a goal.
That's like predicting the sun will come up.
Only Harold Camping would say it won't.

However arguably comic book publishing seems to have been placed after other media licensing.

I'm not saying seeking profit is unreasonable, other indeed other media licensing, but rather VEI appeared to position themselves one way while acting another. And until they actually publish new comics (as opposed to added-value material in collected editions), then I don't think it is unreasonable to monitor theri actions, or indeed engage in discourse.

I have to say that in the past 4 (5?) years, VEI have had a lot of goodwill available from a core but small fanbase; I think their own actions have caused at least some goodwill in some quarters to be squandered, and I believe part of that has been the lack of publication of comic books.

[leonmallett]

...

However arguably comic book publishing seems to have been placed after other media licensing.

I dont know, like I said above, just like every other comic book publisher

I don't know, taking a look at some recent new superhero lines (Dark Horse/GK; BOOM - Stan Lee; Atlas) not all are putting oother media licenisng first.

But then the mixed fortunes of those lines may be of significance, not so much in terms of business plan, but of problems within the industry as a whole.

[leonmallett]

...

However arguably comic book publishing seems to have been placed after other media licensing.

I dont know, like I said above, just like every other comic book publisher

I don't know, taking a look at some recent new superhero lines (Dark Horse/GK; BOOM - Stan Lee; Atlas) not all are putting oother media licenisng first.

But then the mixed fortunes of those lines may be of significance, not so much in terms of business plan, but of problems within the industry as a whole.

Dark Horse can do things because they are a licensing publisher. Dark Horse has been around forever. They have nothing that moves that isn't licensed or CREATOR owned. That's a huge difference.

Boom? Built on licensing.

Stan lee? Do we think anything related to Lee isn't looking at licensing? Why else would you associate with him? Good comics? Like Ravage 2099?

Atlas?

We are talking about potentially successful models right?

There is a big difference; in each of those cases the books are licensed properties - licensed from other bodies as comic book properties, not properties being sought to be other media licensed by those publishers (we are not really talking about the owners of said properties).

[wrunow]

...

However arguably comic book publishing seems to have been placed after other media licensing.

I dont know, like I said above, just like every other comic book publisher

I don't know, taking a look at some recent new superhero lines (Dark Horse/GK; BOOM - Stan Lee; Atlas) not all are putting oother media licenisng first.

But then the mixed fortunes of those lines may be of significance, not so much in terms of business plan, but of problems within the industry as a whole.

Dark Horse can do things because they are a licensing publisher. Dark Horse has been around forever. They have nothing that moves that isn't licensed or CREATOR owned. That's a huge difference.

Boom? Built on licensing.

Stan lee? Do we think anything related to Lee isn't looking at licensing? Why else would you associate with him? Good comics? Like Ravage 2099?

Atlas?

We are talking about potentially successful models right?

There is a big difference; in each of those cases the books are licensed properties - licensed from other bodies as comic book properties, not properties being sought to be other media licensed by those publishers (we are not really talking about the owners of said properties).

EXACTLY what I said, you are the one that brought those universes up as point of comparison. Those other streams still exist for the owners of said properties, they have NO risk with Dark Horse, they just scrape the relatively little money.

If you are VALIANT, it's ALL your risk. You can't compare VALIANT to Dark Horse, DH hardly owns anything. As a shared universe, all owned by a single entity, the only models out there that are successful are MARVEL and DC. There is no other model to look at with any optimism.

Dark Horse just needs to make a margin and has the luxury of a built in audience. VALIANT has to MAKE money to recoup somebody's capital infusion on their own properties. You don't license a property you don't think has an audience, that's the whole point. Now, you could be right or wrong, on what has an audience, but the point of licensing is to capitalize on a profitable concept.

Well this is rather simple. You've got a couple of VALIANT fans who went to the bankruptcy auction and made a bid on the ip's and lost, not a company, just ip's. They acquired the IP's after the winning bidder dropped out for his own reasons and then had to fight for a couple of years to clear the TM's from being stolen. While trying to build a company there have been a lot of twists, turns, and stuff like that that have taken more time than the principles, or anyone else (us) would have wanted. We (the fans, at least this one) all hope things are rolling and on the right track so we can see these characters in some form of creative media whether it be ink, digital, cartoon, tv show, or movie. Whatever we can get. I'll settle for an XO lunchbox with a story on the back at this point. Success can come in small steps.

One of the principles happens to live in LA and went to USC film school and has had various entities express interest in the IP's that he and his partner bought and paid for. Why wouldn't he have discussions? I would if it was my money. You would too. I don't understand the big deal here. I don't think if Ratner's or Vaughn's people called me and asked about something I would tell them I can't potentially make a deal because the fans want to see me make comics first.

VEI came out and tried to hit a home run by giving us the dream team with Shooter as EIC. It didn't work out, I don't know why, at this point I don't care, I am sure they paid Shooter a lot of money over the time he was there. I think they deserve some credit for that, and not just anger based on the unfortunate lawsuit.

It looks like they're on track now to publish, hopefully as they announce their creative teams and books the fans will support them. Bottom line, if the product's good, they'll be ok.

[MoonChild]

agreed ^

[Elveen]

... I dont know, like I said above, just like every other comic book publisher

I don't know, taking a look at some recent new superhero lines (Dark Horse/GK; BOOM - Stan Lee; Atlas) not all are putting oother media licenisng first.

But then the mixed fortunes of those lines may be of significance, not so much in terms of business plan, but of problems within the industry as a whole.

Dark Horse can do things because they are a licensing publisher. Dark Horse has been around forever. They have nothing that moves that isn't licensed or CREATOR owned. That's a huge difference.

Boom? Built on licensing.

Stan lee? Do we think anything related to Lee isn't looking at licensing? Why else would you associate with him? Good comics? Like Ravage 2099?

Atlas?

We are talking about potentially successful models right?

There is a big difference; in each of those cases the books are licensed properties - licensed from other bodies as comic book properties, not properties being sought to be other media licensed by those publishers (we are not really talking about the owners of said properties).

EXACTLY what I said, you are the one that brought those universes up as point of comparison. Those other streams still exist for the owners of said properties, they have NO risk with Dark Horse, they just scrape the relatively little money.

If you are VALIANT, it's ALL your risk. You can't compare VALIANT to Dark Horse, DH hardly owns anything. As a shared universe, all owned by a single entity, the only models out there that are successful are MARVEL and DC. There is no other model to look at with any optimism.

Dark Horse just needs to make a margin and has the luxury of a built in audience. VALIANT has to MAKE money to recoup somebody's capital infusion on their own properties. You don't license a property you don't think has an audience, that's the whole point. Now, you could be right or wrong, on what has an audience, but the point of licensing is to capitalize on a profitable concept.

Well this is rather simple. You've got a couple of VALIANT fans who went to the bankruptcy auction and made a bid on the ip's and lost, not a company, just ip's. They acquired the IP's after the winning bidder dropped out for his own reasons and then had to fight for a couple of years to clear the TM's from being stolen. While trying to build a company there have been a lot of twists, turns, and stuff like that that have taken more time than the principles, or anyone else (us) would have wanted. We (the fans, at least this one) all hope things are rolling and on the right track so we can see these characters in some form of creative media whether it be ink, digital, cartoon, tv show, or movie. Whatever we can get. I'll settle for an XO lunchbox with a story on the back at this point. Success can come in small steps.

One of the principles happens to live in LA and went to USC film school and has had various entities express interest in the IP's that he and his partner bought and paid for. Why wouldn't he have discussions? I would if it was my money. You would too. I don't understand the big deal here. I don't think if Ratner's or Vaughn's people called me and asked about something I would tell them I can't potentially make a deal because the fans want to see me make comics first.

VEI came out and tried to hit a home run by giving us the dream team with Shooter as EIC. It didn't work out, I don't know why, at this point I don't care, I am sure they paid Shooter a lot of money over the time he was there. I think they deserve some credit for that, and not just anger based on the unfortunate lawsuit.

It looks like they're on track now to publish, hopefully as they announce their creative teams and books the fans will support them. Bottom line, if the product's good, they'll be ok.

Great post bro.

[Blood of Heroes]

I don't know, taking a look at some recent new superhero lines (Dark Horse/GK; BOOM - Stan Lee; Atlas) not all are putting oother media licenisng first.

But then the mixed fortunes of those lines may be of significance, not so much in terms of business plan, but of problems within the industry as a whole.

Dark Horse can do things because they are a licensing publisher. Dark Horse has been around forever. They have nothing that moves that isn't licensed or CREATOR owned. That's a huge difference.

Boom? Built on licensing.

Stan lee? Do we think anything related to Lee isn't looking at licensing? Why else would you associate with him? Good comics? Like Ravage 2099?

Atlas?

We are talking about potentially successful models right?

There is a big difference; in each of those cases the books are licensed properties - licensed from other bodies as comic book properties, not properties being sought to be other media licensed by those publishers (we are not really talking about the owners of said properties).

EXACTLY what I said, you are the one that brought those universes up as point of comparison. Those other streams still exist for the owners of said properties, they have NO risk with Dark Horse, they just scrape the relatively little money.

If you are VALIANT, it's ALL your risk. You can't compare VALIANT to Dark Horse, DH hardly owns anything. As a shared universe, all owned by a single entity, the only models out there that are successful are MARVEL and DC. There is no other model to look at with any optimism.

Dark Horse just needs to make a margin and has the luxury of a built in audience. VALIANT has to MAKE money to recoup somebody's capital infusion on their own properties. You don't license a property you don't think has an audience, that's the whole point. Now, you could be right or wrong, on what has an audience, but the point of licensing is to capitalize on a profitable concept.

Well this is rather simple. You've got a couple of VALIANT fans who went to the bankruptcy auction and made a bid on the ip's and lost, not a company, just ip's. They acquired the IP's after the winning bidder dropped out for his own reasons and then had to fight for a couple of years to clear the TM's from being stolen. While trying to build a company there have been a lot of twists, turns, and stuff like that that have taken more time than the principles, or anyone else (us) would have wanted. We (the fans, at least this one) all hope things are rolling and on the right track so we can see these characters in some form of creative media whether it be ink, digital, cartoon, tv show, or movie. Whatever we can get. I'll settle for an XO lunchbox with a story on the back at this point. Success can come in small steps.

One of the principles happens to live in LA and went to USC film school and has had various entities express interest in the IP's that he and his partner bought and paid for. Why wouldn't he have discussions? I would if it was my money. You would too. I don't understand the big deal here. I don't think if Ratner's or Vaughn's people called me and asked about something I would tell them I can't potentially make a deal because the fans want to see me make comics first.

VEI came out and tried to hit a home run by giving us the dream team with Shooter as EIC. It didn't work out, I don't know why, at this point I don't care, I am sure they paid Shooter a lot of money over the time he was there. I think they deserve some credit for that, and not just anger based on the unfortunate lawsuit.

It looks like they're on track now to publish, hopefully as they announce their creative teams and books the fans will support them. Bottom line, if the product's good, they'll be ok.

Great post bro.

Yeah!