Who were the Valiant Characters created by.

400yrs · Post by **400yrs** » Thu Oct 07, 2010 9:07 pm

Great topic. I thought alot about this after reading Doc Solar 2 and thinking about how crappy the character designs are in that book.

I'd love to know not only who created the VALIANT characters, but also who designed them.

These make alot of sense:
Don Perlin - Bloodshot;
Layton - X-O;
And of course BWS for A&A since all his stuff looks like Archer's face.

Elveen · Post by **Elveen** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 12:07 am

iggy101us wrote:
captain1stern wrote:Definitely worth checking out. Was any of the Broadway stuff particularly good?
I like Fatale and Powers That Be/Star Seed.

I liked all the Broadway I read (of course, it's not much) except for the S.C.R.E.A.M. stuff.

The stories and the characters and the build up was really good.

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 4:29 pm

I just got off the phone with my bi-weekly or so phone call with Don Perlin... I got the shiznit on how Bloodshot came to be. I will relate this when I can put this to text more efficiently. (if you guys want to hear it)

xodacia81 · Post by **xodacia81** » Fri Oct 08, 2010 4:49 pm

Knightt wrote:I just got off the phone with my bi-weekly or so phone call with Don Perlin... I got the shiznit on how Bloodshot came to be. I will relate this when I can put this to text more efficiently. (if you guys want to hear it)

Hells ya

dhudson1 · Post by **dhudson1** » Sat Oct 09, 2010 8:03 am

Knightt wrote:I just got off the phone with my bi-weekly or so phone call with Don Perlin... I got the shiznit on how Bloodshot came to be. I will relate this when I can put this to text more efficiently. (if you guys want to hear it)

Fer sure

yardstick · Post by **yardstick** » Sat Oct 09, 2010 9:21 pm

Knightt wrote:I just got off the phone with my bi-weekly or so phone call with Don Perlin... I got the shiznit on how Bloodshot came to be. I will relate this when I can put this to text more efficiently. (if you guys want to hear it)

Post it in a new topic please...

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Sat Oct 09, 2010 11:19 pm

No, when I get around to it... here will be fine.

Just had date night with Lingerie 6, so I expect a bit of 'boom boom' to commence before Twenty Three Hundred Hours Local.

Elveen · Post by **Elveen** » Sun Oct 10, 2010 2:04 am

Knightt wrote:No, when I get around to it... here will be fine.

Just had date night with Lingerie 6, so I expect a bit of 'boom boom' to commence before Twenty Three Hundred Hours Local.

This reminds me of a fortune cookie I once had.....

"Man that knows priorities, sleep with smile on his face."

captain1stern · Post by **captain1stern** » Mon Oct 11, 2010 3:37 pm

400yrs wrote:Great topic. I thought alot about this after reading Doc Solar 2 and thinking about how crappy the character designs are in that book.

I'd love to know not only who created the VALIANT characters, but also who designed them.

These make alot of sense:
Don Perlin - Bloodshot;
Layton - X-O;
And of course BWS for A&A since all his stuff looks like Archer's face.

I think BWS had his hands on a lot of the character designs including the Eternal Warrior.

yardstick · Post by **yardstick** » Tue Nov 30, 2010 11:38 am

dave wrote:If you look at how long they lasted without that guy I think it proves how little he brought to the table.

None of his books ever sold a million copies.

AFAIK Shooter left in April 1993. If this is the case, then he left post-Bloodshot #1 (October 1992?) didn't he? And Bloodshot #1 sold...800k copies?

xodacia81 · Post by **xodacia81** » Tue Nov 30, 2010 11:43 am

yardstick wrote:
dave wrote:If you look at how long they lasted without that guy I think it proves how little he brought to the table.

None of his books ever sold a million copies.
AFAIK Shooter left in April 1993. If this is the case, then he left post-Bloodshot #1 (October 1992?) didn't he? And Bloodshot #1 sold...800k copies?

Shooter left in mid to late '92. By '93, he already had Defiant up and running.

yardstick · Post by **yardstick** » Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:32 pm

xodacia81 wrote:
yardstick wrote:
dave wrote:If you look at how long they lasted without that guy I think it proves how little he brought to the table.

None of his books ever sold a million copies.
AFAIK Shooter left in April 1993. If this is the case, then he left post-Bloodshot #1 (October 1992?) didn't he? And Bloodshot #1 sold...800k copies?
Shooter left in mid to late '92. By '93, he already had Defiant up and running.

from the "Found the Acquisition Agreement" thread
viewtopic.php?t=31510&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=50

DJSpecter wrote:
dave wrote:Let's pretend that I have no idea what the significance of the April 20, 1993 date is...

remember, we're only pretending though.
Obviously, it was the date that there was closing on a settlement between Shooter and Voyager. Whether it's so late because litigation just took that long or there were other hold up factors, I don't know the details of.

Also interesting to note, is individual contracts only start on September 1, 1992 (Massarsky, Layton and Hartz get their first contracts/formal employment letters on that date).

Hence, my assumption that Shooter was [officially] out the door in April 1993. (Not talking about if he was doing stuff on the side and not actually doing work at Voyager.) But given the above September date, I suspect he could have been doing something for them at least as late as September 1992. Of course it is distinctly possible that he stopped performing work for Voyager in April 1992 (that would be the month they began work on EW #1 for June shipment.)

xodacia81 · Post by **xodacia81** » Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:34 pm

yardstick wrote:
xodacia81 wrote:
yardstick wrote:
dave wrote:If you look at how long they lasted without that guy I think it proves how little he brought to the table.

None of his books ever sold a million copies.
AFAIK Shooter left in April 1993. If this is the case, then he left post-Bloodshot #1 (October 1992?) didn't he? And Bloodshot #1 sold...800k copies?
Shooter left in mid to late '92. By '93, he already had Defiant up and running.
from the "Found the Acquisition Agreement" thread
viewtopic.php?t=31510&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=50

DJSpecter wrote:
dave wrote:Let's pretend that I have no idea what the significance of the April 20, 1993 date is...

remember, we're only pretending though.
Obviously, it was the date that there was closing on a settlement between Shooter and Voyager. Whether it's so late because litigation just took that long or there were other hold up factors, I don't know the details of.

Also interesting to note, is individual contracts only start on September 1, 1992 (Massarsky, Layton and Hartz get their first contracts/formal employment letters on that date).
Hence, my assumption that Shooter was [officially] out the door in April 1993. (Not talking about if he was doing stuff on the side and not actually doing work at Voyager.) But given the above September date, I suspect he could have been doing something for them at least as late as September 1992. Of course it is distinctly possible that he stopped performing work for Voyager in April 1992 (that would be the month they began work on EW #1 for June shipment.)

My understanding has always been that he left around August of 92. But, that is something to ponder.

dave · Post by **dave** » Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:37 pm

yardstick wrote:
dave wrote:If you look at how long they lasted without that guy I think it proves how little he brought to the table.

None of his books ever sold a million copies.
AFAIK Shooter left in April 1993. If this is the case, then he left post-Bloodshot #1 (October 1992?) didn't he? And Bloodshot #1 sold...800k copies?

For the record I was totally joking. X-men #1 sold millions as well and so did other 90's books, so we all know that selling many copies does not automatically equal good product, however...saying Jim was around for Bloodshot #1 (which I don't believe is true) and then mentioning the print run of Bloodshot as 800 thousand is a strange way to bolster your argument.

To be clear - I credit Jim with spearheading the very best of VALIANT. His vision, his direction, his "talent scouting" if you will, his dedication and willingness to spend his own money; I think that all lead to the creation of the books we love so well.

DJSpecter · Post by **DJSpecter** » Thu Dec 02, 2010 12:39 am

Sorry if that was misleading. He was certainly out of the building before September 1992.
The settlement of money/stocks etc seems to have taken at least 8 months to finalize.

yardstick · Post by **yardstick** » Thu Dec 02, 2010 4:57 pm

DJSpecter wrote:Sorry if that was misleading. He was certainly out of the building before September 1992.
The settlement of money/stocks etc seems to have taken at least 8 months to finalize.

That would certainly indicate that his last work was done in April of 1992, which fits with the conjecture about EW #1, not to mention Rai 0, Bloodshot/Rising Spirit, Turok, and other characters/titles.