Comic's Greatest World "creative talent" list

[xodacia81]

No, I mean going deeper into layers of a thread. Have one thread with a list of all the DUs, then links within each universe listed which would then lead you to scans and creation crew details (writer, artists, inker etc). Just like Greg's 'See the Comics' section.

That is going to take some space though...

DOH! I wondered that but wasn't sure how to express it, so didn't mention it. That makes sense, for sure. As for the way it would be done, I had supposed that is how the cover gallery would have been arranged, so I just assumed you must have been mentioning something in between as a stop gap. Cool. I think a CGW cover gallery would be awesome. I do plan on getting a scanner in the next few months, after my money comes in this fall-gonna need it for some of the work I'll be doing for school-so, I will be able to do at least some of the scans. I do have all the regular issues and a few of the variants.

[Knightt]

No, I mean going deeper into layers of a thread. Have one thread with a list of all the DUs, then links within each universe listed which would then lead you to scans and creation crew details (writer, artists, inker etc). Just like Greg's 'See the Comics' section.

That is going to take some space though...

DOH! I wondered that but wasn't sure how to express it, so didn't mention it. That makes sense, for sure. As for the way it would be done, I had supposed that is how the cover gallery would have been arranged, so I just assumed you must have been mentioning something in between as a stop gap. Cool. I think a CGW cover gallery would be awesome. I do plan on getting a scanner in the next few months, after my money comes in this fall-gonna need it for some of the work I'll be doing for school-so, I will be able to do at least some of the scans. I do have all the regular issues and a few of the variants.

An entire set, impressive... do you have any duplicates left over ? I think I am pretty much there, but Ghost is a kicking my butt and it is hard for me to tell the difference between vol 1 and vol 2. The variants of CGW are among my favorites EVER... and here at one time, I was picking them up for $.35 here locally and giving them away. Now I DO NOT REGRET giving them away as they are in a happy home but now that I want to collect them, it kinda makes you slap yer head ya know ?

One thing that will not happen with any of the DUs is a 'price guide'.

Great that you can do some scanning, but please make sure the school work takes priority, ok ?

Once I get these 'levels' figured out (or if we can even do it at all), we can commence a large scanning project and we have had people already sign up for it, but I let it sputter out a while ago. Looks like it is time to pick it up and blow the dust off and get it going again.

GREAT job dude...

[xodacia81]

No, I mean going deeper into layers of a thread. Have one thread with a list of all the DUs, then links within each universe listed which would then lead you to scans and creation crew details (writer, artists, inker etc). Just like Greg's 'See the Comics' section.

That is going to take some space though...

DOH! I wondered that but wasn't sure how to express it, so didn't mention it. That makes sense, for sure. As for the way it would be done, I had supposed that is how the cover gallery would have been arranged, so I just assumed you must have been mentioning something in between as a stop gap. Cool. I think a CGW cover gallery would be awesome. I do plan on getting a scanner in the next few months, after my money comes in this fall-gonna need it for some of the work I'll be doing for school-so, I will be able to do at least some of the scans. I do have all the regular issues and a few of the variants.

An entire set, impressive... do you have any duplicates left over ? I think I am pretty much there, but Ghost is a kicking my butt and it is hard for me to tell the difference between vol 1 and vol 2. The variants of CGW are among my favorites EVER... and here at one time, I was picking them up for $.35 here locally and giving them away. Now I DO NOT REGRET giving them away as they are in a happy home but now that I want to collect them, it kinda makes you slap yer head ya know ?

One thing that will not happen with any of the DUs is a 'price guide'.

Great that you can do some scanning, but please make sure the school work takes priority, ok ?

Once I get these 'levels' figured out (or if we can even do it at all), we can commence a large scanning project and we have had people already sign up for it, but I let it sputter out a while ago. Looks like it is time to pick it up and blow the dust off and get it going again.

GREAT job dude...

Thanks much As for school, it is always tied with my kids as my # 1 priority As for the duplicates, I do have some. Would you be interested in reading or scanning copies? The ones I've got dupes for are because of damage to the originals-ie, I had stored them in a box that spilled over and they got smashed, ect-but as for telling the two volumes of Ghost from each other, it's simple...The Hellboy Mini, all the specials & all short stories BESIDES the Sillhoutte one, are Volume One. If Chris Warner and/or Mike Kennedy are writing it, it's Volume Two and this includes the Batgirl mini. The fun thing about Ghost is that while it had "two" volumes, the second one is really just a renumbering of the same series. Essentially, it's Ghost # 37-58.

Oh, and as to the entire set...I got mine the old fashioned way...mostly as they came out, with a few picked up in back issue bins. I think it's a great DU in part because the prices are so low, yet most of the books were not overprinted or underprinted, making it easy for people to get full sets.

[Chiclo]

Maybe rather than a price guide, we could have a rarity index. Not so much concerned with price, but difficulty to find or issues that are not easy to find in VF or better condition.

[xodacia81]

Maybe rather than a price guide, we could have a rarity index. Not so much concerned with price, but difficulty to find or issues that are not easy to find in VF or better condition.

That could be fun to put together. How would you suggest doing it, though? Compile data from print runs and cross them with what different people in different regions have the most difficulty finding? I think the one thing that has become apparent is just how difficult it is to find a few of the incentives, as well as pretty much all of the second volume of Ghost. The "condition" aspect is also an excellent idea, as I come across lots of copies of Out of the Vortex 11, Ghost 14, X 14 and Agents of Law 3 that have cover binding issues. I know, because I've had to re-purchase each of them and two of them have fallen apart IN the bag-with the board, no less-AGAIN.

[Elveen]

I think the cover scanning would be great.

I also think a variant/hard issue to get list with scans would be great. I flip through ALOT of back issues.

I would love to know what the top 50 DU most wants covers look like so I can pull them when I see them.

Xo-d, nice work.

And I will agree with you, ghost vol 2 is a hard set to find.

[Knightt]

Maybe rather than a price guide, we could have a rarity index. Not so much concerned with price, but difficulty to find or issues that are not easy to find in VF or better condition.

That could be fun to put together. How would you suggest doing it, though? Compile data from print runs and cross them with what different people in different regions have the most difficulty finding? I think the one thing that has become apparent is just how difficult it is to find a few of the incentives, as well as pretty much all of the second volume of Ghost. The "condition" aspect is also an excellent idea, as I come across lots of copies of Out of the Vortex 11, Ghost 14, X 14 and Agents of Law 3 that have cover binding issues. I know, because I've had to re-purchase each of them and two of them have fallen apart IN the bag-with the board, no less-AGAIN.

Maybe there could be a color code or a 'star system' that ranks the rarity of the book in question. The could be established by print run (to which I have no idea how to get), the less printed the more rare the book, the harder to find. I don't think condition is trackable, just the basics... what does X number of X book in VF or better prove or is useful information ? Nor do we have the ability to accurately track that... rarity though, very much so YES.

Scan of the cover (to include variants)
Talent information
Print run
Rarity

I think would cover it (get it ? 'cover' it ? eh, nevermind hehee)

I would also like to have a by company exclusive section which dealt with variant covers, incentive books and such. SOMEBODY needs to have an accurate site like Big Tel's and we could have it here. I would like to see the regular version and the variant side by side on the page (again with all the aforementioned information about the book... I wonder if there is a way to track what the ratio of variants to regular issues is possible to get a handle on?)

Lets keep bouncing it around so we end up with a logical and useful gathering of information. I mean, it just NEEDS to happen, this DU thing is like an addiction and I need my fix. Part of this fix is a one stop shopping section with concise, accurate and useful information... oh yeah, and more cowbell !!!

[xodacia81]

I think the cover scanning would be great.

I also think a variant/hard issue to get list with scans would be great. I flip through ALOT of back issues.

I would love to know what the top 50 DU most wants covers look like so I can pull them when I see them.

Xo-d, nice work.

And I will agree with you, ghost vol 2 is a hard set to find.

Thanks much and yes, Gv2 is a very tricky set. I should use this opportunity to say that my CGW set is "99.8%" complete, as, in my euphoria over finishing these lists, I forgot that I still have # 17 & 22 to get. As for your idea about a top 50, that would be really cool, but also a lot of work, which means it could also be a lot of fun putting together.

[xodacia81]

Maybe rather than a price guide, we could have a rarity index. Not so much concerned with price, but difficulty to find or issues that are not easy to find in VF or better condition.

That could be fun to put together. How would you suggest doing it, though? Compile data from print runs and cross them with what different people in different regions have the most difficulty finding? I think the one thing that has become apparent is just how difficult it is to find a few of the incentives, as well as pretty much all of the second volume of Ghost. The "condition" aspect is also an excellent idea, as I come across lots of copies of Out of the Vortex 11, Ghost 14, X 14 and Agents of Law 3 that have cover binding issues. I know, because I've had to re-purchase each of them and two of them have fallen apart IN the bag-with the board, no less-AGAIN.

Maybe there could be a color code or a 'star system' that ranks the rarity of the book in question. The could be established by print run (to which I have no idea how to get), the less printed the more rare the book, the harder to find. I don't think condition is trackable, just the basics... what does X number of X book in VF or better prove or is useful information ? Nor do we have the ability to accurately track that... rarity though, very much so YES.

Scan of the cover (to include variants)
Talent information
Print run
Rarity

I think would cover it (get it ? 'cover' it ? eh, nevermind hehee)

I would also like to have a by company exclusive section which dealt with variant covers, incentive books and such. SOMEBODY needs to have an accurate site like Big Tel's and we could have it here. I would like to see the regular version and the variant side by side on the page (again with all the aforementioned information about the book... I wonder if there is a way to track what the ratio of variants to regular issues is possible to get a handle on?)

Lets keep bouncing it around so we end up with a logical and useful gathering of information. I mean, it just NEEDS to happen, this DU thing is like an addiction and I need my fix. Part of this fix is a one stop shopping section with concise, accurate and useful information... oh yeah, and more cowbell !!!

The only info I've ever seen on print runs came from Capitl distribution and my understanding is they represented roughly 1/3rd of all copies. The fact they went out in like 95 or 96 means that only the numbers for the earliest books would be able to be extrapolated, but since CGW did so little past mid 96-Ghost and a few short stories/minis-it should be a pretty good way of tracking it. Like with the Valiant gallery, any and all #'s would be "approximate" estimates.

I think a star system could work, perhaps to differentiate itself from the Valiant gallery. In fact, if there's a way it could work, we could have colored stars, thus making it truly stand out. I do think the info you, Chiclo and I have mentioned putting in would be exactly what the section will need. I don't care if it takes 6 months or a year or longer, I just want to see this done right. And, when it is finished, it's gonna be awesome.

[Knightt]

any and all #'s would be "approximate" estimates. .

I expected that.

I think a star system could work, perhaps to differentiate itself from the Valiant gallery. In fact, if there's a way it could work, we could have colored stars, thus making it truly stand out.

Colored and number of stars like 'Three Red Stars' is REALLY rare and difficult to find, 'Three Green Stars' is REALLY common and easy to find.

We all realize here that if it is started with CGW, we will have to do the same for the other DUs. On the largers DUs (Crossgen/Ultraverse) maybe we can each take on a title and spread the pain.

[Elveen]

I think the cover scanning would be great.

I also think a variant/hard issue to get list with scans would be great. I flip through ALOT of back issues.

I would love to know what the top 50 DU most wants covers look like so I can pull them when I see them.

Xo-d, nice work.

And I will agree with you, ghost vol 2 is a hard set to find.

Thanks much and yes, Gv2 is a very tricky set. I should use this opportunity to say that my CGW set is "99.8%" complete, as, in my euphoria over finishing these lists, I forgot that I still have # 17 & 22 to get. As for your idea about a top 50, that would be really cool, but also a lot of work, which means it could also be a lot of fun putting together.

Remember, I have the #22 put aside for you.

[xodacia81]

I think the cover scanning would be great.

I also think a variant/hard issue to get list with scans would be great. I flip through ALOT of back issues.

I would love to know what the top 50 DU most wants covers look like so I can pull them when I see them.

Xo-d, nice work.

And I will agree with you, ghost vol 2 is a hard set to find.

Thanks much and yes, Gv2 is a very tricky set. I should use this opportunity to say that my CGW set is "99.8%" complete, as, in my euphoria over finishing these lists, I forgot that I still have # 17 & 22 to get. As for your idea about a top 50, that would be really cool, but also a lot of work, which means it could also be a lot of fun putting together.

Remember, I have the #22 put aside for you.

Mucho gracias

[xodacia81]

any and all #'s would be "approximate" estimates. .

I expected that.

I think a star system could work, perhaps to differentiate itself from the Valiant gallery. In fact, if there's a way it could work, we could have colored stars, thus making it truly stand out.

Colored and number of stars like 'Three Red Stars' is REALLY rare and difficult to find, 'Three Green Stars' is REALLY common and easy to find.

We all realize here that if it is started with CGW, we will have to do the same for the other DUs. On the largers DUs (Crossgen/Ultraverse) maybe we can each take on a title and spread the pain.

Certainly, and when it comes to cover scans, my help will mainly be with CGW. I won't be able to do Broadway, since I am sending out all my Broadway books as part of a sale, today. Defiant, I might be able to do, at least what I have of it. I think I might have a few odds and ends from other, smaller Du's, such as Tekno and, maybe, 1 or 2 from Malibu's Ultraverse. I really think this project has major potential and I, for one, am pumped to see how it turns out.

[Knightt]

We will get to working on it here soon.

[xodacia81]

We will get to working on it here soon.

[Knightt]

I just got back from business in Washington, D.C.

Taking a few days off and will try to put a little time in on the site.

[xodacia81]

Apartment 1-B, two weeks and a day later....

[xodacia81]

I have decided ONE more thing could be added. What is this? Release dates. That is to say, the month the book was released, so you know that, say, Ghost volume 1 # 5 is the August 1995 issue of volume 1. This will take a while, but I'll get it finished in time. Any and all feedback is appreciated.

[xodacia81]

Except for an odd item here or there, I've added most of the dates as well as adding a new title to the list, for reasons explained within the list. Let me know what you guys think.

[Knightt]

I know that the DU section is like another world but I really like how the Valiant books are listed, with a photo of the cover, link to alternate cover (OR mouse over the original and see the variant cover... oooh I like that) then who worked on it.

As far as print runs and rarity concerns I do not know if we have the correct metrics to measure exact points of detail on some books ? (or do we ?)

[xodacia81]

I know that the DU section is like another world but I really like how the Valiant books are listed, with a photo of the cover, link to alternate cover (OR mouse over the original and see the variant cover... oooh I like that) then who worked on it.

As far as print runs and rarity concerns I do not know if we have the correct metrics to measure exact points of detail on some books ? (or do we ?)

I think the old Capitl "print run" info is available and we can do what I think Greg said he did for Valiant, which is use that as a way of "Estimating" the runs, since we know Cap handled about 30% of the materials back in the day. Of course, I think they went out of business in early 96. Still, we'd have some info to go on for the early books, nevertheless. Better to have half the info than none at all, right? This is still a work in progress and a labor of love, so I'd rather work on it and get it right, if that means a little at a time, then rush to get it all done at once.

[Knightt]

I know that the DU section is like another world but I really like how the Valiant books are listed, with a photo of the cover, link to alternate cover (OR mouse over the original and see the variant cover... oooh I like that) then who worked on it.

As far as print runs and rarity concerns I do not know if we have the correct metrics to measure exact points of detail on some books ? (or do we ?)

I think the old Capitl "print run" info is available and we can do what I think Greg said he did for Valiant, which is use that as a way of "Estimating" the runs, since we know Cap handled about 30% of the materials back in the day. Of course, I think they went out of business in early 96. Still, we'd have some info to go on for the early books, nevertheless. Better to have half the info than none at all, right? This is still a work in progress and a labor of love, so I'd rather work on it and get it right, if that means a little at a time, then rush to get it all done at once.

I agree 100%... I also know that "I" do not have the skill sets to make that happen. If we need someone to step up or delegate it and set someone to task (willingly i.e. labor of love), then we could get that done pretty fast. Maybe take two people and over a weekend to hammer out the info.

Good idea... in fact, this would be great for ALL the DUs, but we are talking man-hours here without benefits. hehehe OR a 401K !!!

[xodacia81]

I'm going to search for some sites and see if I can't turn up at least part of the print runs. ANYONE that has ANY leads, please send me a PM with the info. It would be most appreciated.

[xodacia81]

I have found some information for print runs and added what I could. Hat tip to those who helped. The information posted, so far, is incomplete as a "Group" but appears to be correct and complete for the titles listed. I get the feeling that the average print run for the books I am not finding information for, during this time, was likely around 5K less but I don't want to make false claims.

[Knightt]

The list is OUTSTANDING and is exactly what I am hoping to put together when we get cover scans going.

Ultimate plan is to kind of 'mirror' the Valiant/Acclaim (etc) cover scans/creator data. But, I don't think we should have it exactly the same. I really have to sit down and talk to Greg on the phone what is possible within the valiantfans.com domain. If it requires information to be linked to another 'site' then I am prepared to pay for that space or if it can reside here, then help Greg with the monthly/yearly fees associated with this site. I guess I feel like a kid and not wanting to leave the 'house', hehehe. For now, I find it just fine to stay here at vf.com. One day, if this section gets larger and has a larger following we could 'move out of the house'. I don't think that less than 50 members (smaller participating members) is justification enough to host a new site. We are really fortunate to have hard working DU members and the 'ok' from Greg to keep the section as it is.

But, I've got a few ideas....

LOVE the info at the beginning of this thread, this WILL be broken down later and spliced into a page with a cover scan and then data below. Lots of work... good job !!!