batman RIP

[nutflush76]

Though it looks like the conclusion to RIP got delayed. Surprise, who would have guessed.

From Diamond's Shipping Update page for 10/22

Batman #681 RIP Reg./Var.
AUG08 0132-3
11/19/2008

Then two weeks later we get.
Batman #682 Reg./Var.
SEP08 0111-2
12/3/2008

Followed by 2 weeks later.
Batman #683 Reg./Var.
SEP08 0113-4
12/17/2008

And another two weeks and this is the 2nd part of the Denny O'Neil story the first being Detective 851.
Batman #684 Reg./Var.
OCT08 0110-11
12/31/2008

January Solicits list a 2 part Faces of Evil story involving Catwoman and Hush in Detective 852 and Batman 685 done by the Dini/Nguyen team. So I am assuming the Neil Gaiman/Andy Kubert two parter would be in February. So who knows when the batbooks will start this Battle for the Cowl that takes place after RIP.

-Neil

I don't know that there is going to be a big battle for the cowl after RIP. I really think Bruce Wayne is going to be Batman in some way shape or form.

As far as the books shipping Bi-weekly if my memory serves me I think it was always that way.

Also, Does anybody know how long Morrison is gonna stay on Batman after RIP? I don't think it' sgoing to be too much longer.

[sanman]

I'm more of the opinion that Detective has been the most consistent of the Bat books. I agree that Batman usually has the flashier of artists, but it also gets stuck with the most overrated writers (Grant Morrison for one), but Detective has been fairly steady for the last twenty years with writers like Alan Grant, Chuck Dixon, Greg Rucka, and now Paul Dini.
Scott

I’d agree but I think that may have much to do with Detective’s status as the second Bat book. The powers at be tend to leave it alone which has made the storytelling fairly consistent over the years—staying the course mentality. Whereas Batman gets jerked around with the major story arcs like Death in the Family, Hush, and RIP that do not always deliver.

[Draco]

Im not a massive Morrison fan to be honest.

I loved some of the stuff he did twenty years ago and some early DC stuff, but find his stuff to be old waffle.

He is a name who did some great stuff at a time when most publishers were relatively tame and not exactly bursting at the seams with groundbreaking material, then Miller, Moore and a few others including Morrison did some books that are still considered some of the best stories of all time, but i cannot think of one single book that morrison has done in the last ten years that made me stand up and say " oh boy im so happy Morrison is writing this"

Batman Hush was pointless old toss too.
I loved the art and enjoyed moments, but fail to see what it achieved outside of sales ( i know thats the point), with so many people singing its praises so high.
Loeb is so bland it scares me that he is considered a top ten writer, as he would not not make my top 25.

The Bat universe is large and im not sure if there are too many books or just too many bland books.

Before Hush all the other titles were all far better than the core title with outstanding runs by Chuck Dixon.
Robin being so underrated and Birds of prey blowing the core title away month after month.
Hush did not make the core title any better than the others, but did bring it up a level.

Also i noted someone mentioned the crossovers reminded them of Knightfall ect, well if you actuall look at Knightfall and other follow on stories it was not actually as bad as say Cataclysm and what follwed.
Now that was the biggest crossover i can think of.
Funnily enough i actually enjoyed a good chunk of it and was lucky enough to not have to pay to see so many titles for one story.

I havent read much of RIP, but no longer care which is sad as i followed DC continuity solidly for 20+ years, but no more.

Too many cooks and not enough continuity between books leaves me dis interested and until someone comes along and does the biggest clean of all time to mend it ill stick to my DU's and such.

Bollox.

Happy Halloween munchkins.

RAR !!!

[superman-prime]

Morrison is very hit or miss

[sanman]

For myself, I can't recall anything I've read by Morrison that wasn't at least well above average.

Even if we just limit it to Bat-stuff, Arkham Asylum is one of great Batman stories in recent time.

How do you define recent? Arkham Asylum was first published in 1989—almost 20 years ago! I honestly cannot remember anything that Morrison has penned in this last decade that can even compare.

I’d say that the earlier part of his run—starting with #665 minus the miserable Ostrander Grotesk arc—was decent but #663 and #666 I could have done without. The Damian issues were good but no better than what I would have expected from the flagship Bat title. So far I’ve only found the Club of Heroes issues really interesting.

Should Bruce Wayne die or at least retire after RIP it will be a shame that the character’s last story arc would be so pitiful—not the way to honor the legion of writers, illustrators, fans, etc. that have invested so much into the character since 1939.

[sanman]

Indeed, I have to give the man props on All Star Superman—I cannot believe I forgot about that one. I really did enjoy the run though there were a few “what the?!” moments. Seven Soldiers threw me for a loop especially the Mister Miracle mini but Final Crisis is helping me to understand it better. You’ve laid out several decent examples of his work—thank you—but I’m still not happy with the RIP run none-the-less.

[Cyberstrike]

The only 2 titles that Morrison has written that I like are Arkham Asylem and his run on JLA (this also includes JLA: Earth 2 GN) oustide of that most his stuff his either boring or just plain awful.

[superman-prime]

jla was sweet final crisis is finally getting good

[ncameron]

I define recent in terms as it applies to comics. That's pretty recent when considering Batman's history (I tend to view comics in my lifetime as recent - keeps me young!)

In the last decade? All Star Superman is the best Superman story since Alan Moore wrote a Superman story (though I think Johns is doing a nice job now and I've dug and am excited about what Robinson is out)

He wrote that last X-Men arc that was worth reading and wasn't simply rewrites of what X-Men had been doing over and over for 10 years prior to. In this case he also put X-Men back on the map just like he did JLA which was a damn solid and almost just a straight super hero run as well.

Seven Soldiers was a damn fine book (all time favorite for me), Doom Patrol was awesome, The Invisibles the same - and that's not counting a year collaborating on 52 which at the very least was an accomplishment

We3 was a solid little story as well.

I also thought FF:1234 mini he did with Jae lee was the best distillation of what makes the FF great in years.

-neil

[superman-prime]

The last issue of rip is on 11 - 26 just a fyi it might be a big hit like cap 25

[sanman]

The last issue of rip is on 11 - 26 just a fyi it might be a big hit like cap 25

Thanks, I'm going to e-mail my LCS now.

After reading Nightwing #150 I was thinking that it may be good to watch how things develop there—Robin possibly too. For #551 the description reads, "As one chapter ends, another begins. Nightwing begins a journey that Batman has been training him for all his life!"

Granted, this could mean a number of things beyond the obvious but you never know. Should Dick become Batman, Bruce’s only legitimate replacement in my opinion, these next few issues may become difficult to find later.

[xodacia81]

Though it looks like the conclusion to RIP got delayed. Surprise, who would have guessed.

From Diamond's Shipping Update page for 10/22

Batman #681 RIP Reg./Var.
AUG08 0132-3
11/19/2008

Then two weeks later we get.
Batman #682 Reg./Var.
SEP08 0111-2
12/3/2008

Followed by 2 weeks later.
Batman #683 Reg./Var.
SEP08 0113-4
12/17/2008

And another two weeks and this is the 2nd part of the Denny O'Neil story the first being Detective 851.
Batman #684 Reg./Var.
OCT08 0110-11
12/31/2008

January Solicits list a 2 part Faces of Evil story involving Catwoman and Hush in Detective 852 and Batman 685 done by the Dini/Nguyen team. So I am assuming the Neil Gaiman/Andy Kubert two parter would be in February. So who knows when the batbooks will start this Battle for the Cowl that takes place after RIP.

-Neil

Good lord! Denny O'Neil is still kicking?

[sanman]

Do we know anything more about the editions for Batman #681? I’m a little nervous that there may be a surprise 50/50 (like Captain America #25) or another incentive (like a 1:50).

Also, should we expect Batman #681 to receive as much interest as either Captain America #25 or Superman #75?

[xodacia81]

Do we know anything more about the editions for Batman #681? I’m a little nervous that there may be a surprise 50/50 (like Captain America #25) or another incentive (like a 1:50).

Also, should we expect Batman #681 to receive as much interest as either Captain America #25 or Superman #75?

Maybe comparative, given current markets, but I don't think ANYTHING will ever match the once in a generation interest that Superman 75 held.

[sanman]

Maybe comparative, given current markets, but I don't think ANYTHING will ever match the once in a generation interest that Superman 75 held.

Superman #75 was something unique and I think many thought Superman was going to stay dead. This time the interest should be much less as people my see this as a gimmick while Batman is not the first superhero. However, I have to believe that the average person will be much more interested in Batman’s death than Captain’s. I guess the interest will probably fall somewhere in between the two.

Still, I hope my LCS ordered enough to support the demand. I have to decide if it is worth trying to get to the shop in between work and class though the shop does a great job with my pull list.

[400yrs]

I also thought FF:1234 mini he did with Jae lee was the best distillation of what makes the FF great in years.

-neil

I agree. FF:1234 was very good stuff for FF. RIP was terrible though.

[superman-prime]

Yaa its been sad so far hoping for a great payoff


superman 75 was a 1 in ten years thing but the bats death could be a biggie for at least a few years

Im betting on a total dc reboot next year anyway

[sanman]

Im betting on a total dc reboot next year anyway

I’m questioning much of what DC has been doing in terms of long-term damages:
1. Potentially killing Bruce Wayne
2. Potentially rewriting the Superman mythos with New Krypton
3. Introducing the emotional rainbow and related ring corps
4. Turning the New Gods upside down
5. Redeveloping established characters that did not need fixing such as Flash, Aquaman, Mary Marvel, and Captain Marvel to name just a few
6. Producing what has become the mediocre annual mega event intertwined with the over priced weekly comic

Arguably, some of these ideas right now may be great—I totally dug the Sinestro Corps and am eagerly anticipating Darkest Night—but all appear shortsighted and may weaken their part of the DCU when it’s all over.

[Chiclo]

I particularly like the new other-colours Lanterns and the metamorphosis of Mary Marvel.

[superman-prime]

ya mary wen over the edge


teh red lanterns special rocked if ya like the skittles lanterns

[dbostejano]

USA today has leaked what is going to happen to Batman


Spoiler alert: You've been warned!

RIP

[X-O HoboJoe]

USA today has leaked what is going to happen to Batman


Spoiler alert: You've been warned!

RIP

OK, so they're going to kill Alfred off (again) and redo the Outsider storyline from the 60's . . .

As far as the speculation over Robin being the leader of the Black Glove, the only Robin it could be is Bruce himself (since he dressed up as Robin long before Batman). I don't see it being Drake, Todd or Grayson.

[nutflush76]

USA today has leaked what is going to happen to Batman


Spoiler alert: You've been warned!

RIP

I click on that link and it just talks about Neil Gaiman's story but gives no details.

[Zaphod]

USA today has leaked what is going to happen to Batman


Spoiler alert: You've been warned!

RIP

I click on that link and it just talks about Neil Gaiman's story but gives no details.

in which the crimefighter is so shaken by a secret from his past that a new Batman must be found.

I imagine that is what he meant. I think the fact that they use quotes each time they mention "die" that Bruce Wayne isn't going to pass into the afterworld, but retire.

Honestly, I am all for that. Bruce Wayne is still an exceptionally interesting character, it is time for a new Batman.

[nutflush76]

Oh well the final issue of RIP comes out tomorrow so I guess we will see what happens.