Archer & Armstrong: First Impressions

iggy101us · Post by **iggy101us** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 11:56 am

The Sect hijacked all the books.

dave · Post by **dave** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 12:00 pm

dang it, i thought that they had agreed to just leave aram alone!

you know another option might be that squirrel broke in and stole them all.

"musts haves it-alls of its! my preciousess"

hellboydce · Post by **hellboydce** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 1:16 pm

just a little bit of info from the higher ups would help

slym2none · Post by **slym2none** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 1:47 pm

dave wrote:dino said the book was done and ready to ship-so if they could-they would-they gain nothing, and lose plenty by not shipping it-which seems to indicate that some "outside force" is preventing them

Well-put!

-slym

etos45 · Post by **etos45** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 2:30 pm

dave wrote:with absolutely ZERO knowledge of what is truly going on, i think that it is safe to say that they can't release it right now-dino said the book was done and ready to ship-so if they could-they would-they gain nothing, and lose plenty by not shipping it-which seems to indicate that some "outside force" is preventing them-which again i would hazard to guess is not their fault as dj just stated.

Does VEI still sell the X-O HC? I'm not sure exactly how it all works, but I thought that with printings like that you would be able to order more from the company once the initial ones sold. So, if someone was stopping the A&A HC then would they not try to stop any further sells of X-O and maybe even Harbinger?

It just seems that if they were having copyright problems there would have been news somewhere.

slym2none · Post by **slym2none** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 2:42 pm

etos45 wrote:It just seems that if they were having copyright problems there would have been news somewhere.

I dunno about that - legal matters usually require complete silence until all matters are resolved. Look how long we knew next to nothing about the VEI v/s VIP struggle.

-slym

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 3:05 pm

slym2none wrote:
etos45 wrote:It just seems that if they were having copyright problems there would have been news somewhere.
I dunno about that - legal matters usually require complete silence until all matters are resolved. Look how long we knew next to nothing about the VEI v/s VIP struggle.

-slym

Exactly.

Zaphod · Post by **Zaphod** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 4:59 pm

"The book has been delayed. I am unable to discuss details."

If some lawyer can find a way to translate that into VEI losing a court case, I want that guys name for when I take over Microsoft.

dave · Post by **dave** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 5:42 pm

please, don't mention anything about the microsoft takeover-you'll spoil everything.

etos45 · Post by **etos45** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 10:56 am

slym2none wrote:
etos45 wrote:It just seems that if they were having copyright problems there would have been news somewhere.
I dunno about that - legal matters usually require complete silence until all matters are resolved. Look how long we knew next to nothing about the VEI v/s VIP struggle.

-slym

I don't think I was really aware during most of the VIP/VEI problems, but even though little was know about the issue, it was known that there was an issue, wasn't there? Maybe I'm just shooting from the hip and I don't know what I'm talking about.

So, let's assume for a second that it's a copyright issue and now VEI isn't allowed to reprint any back issue with the GK3 in it... what's that going to mean for the HC? The company for that matter? If they've already got the books printed, that's got to be a pretty huge hit to the wallet to not be able to sell.

dellamorte · Post by **dellamorte** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 11:01 am

etos45 wrote:
slym2none wrote:
etos45 wrote:It just seems that if they were having copyright problems there would have been news somewhere.
I dunno about that - legal matters usually require complete silence until all matters are resolved. Look how long we knew next to nothing about the VEI v/s VIP struggle.

-slym
I don't think I was really aware during most of the VIP/VEI problems, but even though little was know about the issue, it was known that there was an issue, wasn't there? Maybe I'm just shooting from the hip and I don't know what I'm talking about.

So, let's assume for a second that it's a copyright issue and now VEI isn't allowed to reprint any back issue with the GK3 in it... what's that going to mean for the HC? The company for that matter? If they've already got the books printed, that's got to be a pretty huge hit to the wallet to not be able to sell.

That would have been a major *SQUEE* up on VEI's part. I would hope that such issues had been sorted out before work even started on the HC. There are plenty of characters/books that don't have any involvement with the GK3, why not just go with those?

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 2:27 pm

dellamorte wrote: There are plenty of characters/books that don't have any involvement with the GK3, why not just go with those?

That's probably what they are going to have to do now.

slym2none · Post by **slym2none** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 5:01 pm

So, Shadowman HC comes out... when?

-slym (is gonna have Dino's midgets sicced on him any time now)

jedimarley · Post by **jedimarley** » Sun Nov 09, 2008 9:09 am

So. If what we are speculating is true. (that VEI can not reprint any Valiant issues that have GK characters in them)

Unity and most, if not all, Pre-Unity can not be reprinted. Magnus is so intertwined in Rai, that Rai and Rai and the Future Force is off-limits.

If this is all true any issue with any GK character is off-limits to VEI.

If this is true then it forces VEI into recon. It also make reprinting old material tricky. What is worth reprinting is now off-limits. What is re printable is not worth reprinting.

$25 for a Ninjak HC? No thanks. Armorines? Geomancer? VH-2? Ummm....No thanks.

jedimarley · Post by **jedimarley** » Sun Nov 09, 2008 9:12 am

But on a more positive note...A&O would make a great HC (updated version) and a great lunching point for ongoing titles.

VH-4

Cyberstrike · Post by **Cyberstrike** » Sun Nov 09, 2008 1:07 pm

Dr. Solar wrote:
slym2none wrote:This is only an educated guess, however. Somewhere along the lines here, I missed where it was initially said that DH was going to start printing new material using these characters.
It was an offhand remark by some Dark Horse higher-up at San Diego of this year. Newsarama released an article about it.

Licensing can be funny stuff. IDW now has the reprint rights to the old Marvel GI Joe stuff as part of their recent license. The deal between Western Media and Dark Horse could have similar provisions.

From what I understand of dirivative work based on a licensed property, the original owner has to give permission to the person creating the dirivative work to create it. I would imagine this applies to reprint rights as well. Who knows?

If I were Dark Horse, and was planning to release new Magnus, Solar, and Turok material, I wouldn't want VEI printing material with those characters in it. Brand purity and all that.

That maybe true since Dark Horse themselves have reprinted several of Marvel's old Star Wars, Conan: The Barbarian and The Savage Sword of Conan books in trade paper back. They even have reprinted a couple of the old Marvel single issues of Star Wars (minus the Marvel logo and banners of course) with some of the various Star Wars toylines.

Which also makes me wonder even if (and the keyword here is: IF) that is case: can Dark Horse reprint any of the Valiant published stories of Solar, Man of the Atom, Magnus: Robot Fighter and Turok: Dinosaur Hunter because of the VEI owned Valiant characters appearing in those titles.

400yrs · Post by **400yrs** » Sun Nov 09, 2008 1:12 pm

If they end up folding the doors already for some reason, I would hope that they would "sell" or give the rights to do Quantum & Woody to Priest and Bright. It would work great as an Image title for the book itself and it would be far more lucrative for the creators. I wish they never would've gone with Acclaim for that title.

The return of Valiant to me at least looks more and more bleak each day.

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Sun Nov 09, 2008 1:19 pm

Cyberstrike wrote:Which also makes me wonder even if (and the keyword here is: IF) that is case: can Dark Horse reprint any of the Valiant published stories of Solar, Man of the Atom, Magnus: Robot Fighter and Turok: Dinosaur Hunter because of the VEI owned Valiant characters appearing in those titles.

They can only reprint the old GK/Whitman material. They can't print anything that Valiant put out.

BloodOfHeroes · Post by **BloodOfHeroes** » Sun Nov 09, 2008 1:30 pm

400yrs wrote:If they end up folding the doors already for some reason, I would hope that they would "sell" or give the rights to do Quantum & Woody to Priest and Bright. It would work great as an Image title for the book itself and it would be far more lucrative for the creators. I wish they never would've gone with Acclaim for that title.

The return of Valiant to me at least looks more and more bleak each day.

Whoa! Let's not declare VEI's "folding the doors" just yet (and to give mad props to 400yrs, he did say "if").

I would imagine that, if the GK3 have somehow become an issue, VEI is working to, minimally, get the A&A HC out. Ideally, there would be an arrangement for select reprints on an ongoing basis. The fact that we're not hearing from Dino makes me believe that talks are ongoing and, as with VIP, we will most likely never know who says what.

I'm okay with that. I prefer actions to words, anyway.

Cyberstrike · Post by **Cyberstrike** » Sun Nov 09, 2008 1:31 pm

Daniel Jackson wrote:
Cyberstrike wrote:Which also makes me wonder even if (and the keyword here is: IF) that is case: can Dark Horse reprint any of the Valiant published stories of Solar, Man of the Atom, Magnus: Robot Fighter and Turok: Dinosaur Hunter because of the VEI owned Valiant characters appearing in those titles.
They can only reprint the old GK/Whitman material. They can't print anything that Valiant put out.

And you know this how?

jedimarley · Post by **jedimarley** » Sun Nov 09, 2008 1:36 pm

BloodOfHeroes wrote:
400yrs wrote:If they end up folding the doors already for some reason, I would hope that they would "sell" or give the rights to do Quantum & Woody to Priest and Bright. It would work great as an Image title for the book itself and it would be far more lucrative for the creators. I wish they never would've gone with Acclaim for that title.

The return of Valiant to me at least looks more and more bleak each day.
Whoa! Let's not declare VEI's "folding the doors" just yet (and to give mad props to 400yrs, he did say "if").

I would imagine that, if the GK3 have somehow become an issue, VEI is working to, minimally, get the A&A HC out. Ideally, there would be an arrangement for select reprints on an ongoing basis. The fact that we're not hearing from Dino makes me believe that talks are ongoing and, as with VIP, we will most likely never know who says what.

I'm okay with that. I prefer actions to words, anyway.

IF there is another legal battle in the works. CAN VEI financially overcome it?

Lawyers don't work cheep. Just ask Woogie.

400yrs · Post by **400yrs** » Sun Nov 09, 2008 1:37 pm

BloodOfHeroes wrote: Whoa! Let's not declare VEI's "folding the doors" just yet (and to give mad props to 400yrs, he did say "if").

Of course not, but at some point, you have to cut your losses. They may be facing lawsuit after lawsuit here. I doubt that Dino's mom or whoever expected that was coming when they spent a mil on the properties. It looks doubtful that the Harby movie will be in process before the option on it expires.

BloodOfHeroes wrote:I'm okay with that. I prefer actions to words, anyway.

Yeah, but even "actions" taking place is speculation as well without even a "we're working on it" from dino. Hey, I'm all for VEI suceeding with this thing, but they may be best off seeing if they could just sell the properties to DH and cut their losses.

BloodOfHeroes · Post by **BloodOfHeroes** » Sun Nov 09, 2008 1:42 pm

jedimarley wrote:IF there is another legal battle in the works. CAN VEI financially overcome it?

I don't think that there's basis for a battle here. It seems pretty cut and dry to me (which is a guarantee for exactly bupkis). As far as we know, VEI doesn't have legal rights to reprint the GK3.

Interstingly enough, there was no indication of (c) or (TM) for Solar listed in the Harbinger HC creduts, although the Man in the Red Pajamas showed up there.

I'm hoping that, IF something is going on related to the GK3, that they're in discussions, not in litigation.

Lawyers don't work cheep. Just ask Woogie.

This is why so many people appreciate your > 14K posts!

Cyberstrike · Post by **Cyberstrike** » Sun Nov 09, 2008 1:49 pm

jedimarley wrote:
BloodOfHeroes wrote:
400yrs wrote:If they end up folding the doors already for some reason, I would hope that they would "sell" or give the rights to do Quantum & Woody to Priest and Bright. It would work great as an Image title for the book itself and it would be far more lucrative for the creators. I wish they never would've gone with Acclaim for that title.

The return of Valiant to me at least looks more and more bleak each day.
Whoa! Let's not declare VEI's "folding the doors" just yet (and to give mad props to 400yrs, he did say "if").

I would imagine that, if the GK3 have somehow become an issue, VEI is working to, minimally, get the A&A HC out. Ideally, there would be an arrangement for select reprints on an ongoing basis. The fact that we're not hearing from Dino makes me believe that talks are ongoing and, as with VIP, we will most likely never know who says what.

I'm okay with that. I prefer actions to words, anyway.
IF there is another legal battle in the works. CAN VEI financially overcome it?

Lawyers don't work cheep. Just ask Woogie.

It would also be in DH's benefit to advoid a legal battle as well.

jedimarley · Post by **jedimarley** » Sun Nov 09, 2008 1:53 pm

Cyberstrike wrote: It would also be in DH's benefit to advoid a legal battle as well.

Why?