Archer & Armstrong: First Impressions

dellamorte · Post by **dellamorte** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 11:41 pm

MoonChild wrote:
Ryan wrote:let's just hope for the best guys. Obviously there is something going on otherwise Dino would have posted on here by now. I think Dino and crew have been great for VALIANT and I applaud all the effort they've put forth to bringing our characters back in the way that we all love them.
It can be either really good news or really bad news but I'm quite certain that its a good sign, With Shooter Available and whispers of Valiant attempting to relaunch sooner than expected they could really be knee deep in business affairs as well as creative direction and physical work underway.

They could be, but is that really any reason why a finished book has not been released?

etos45 · Post by **etos45** » Fri Oct 24, 2008 4:27 am

MoonChild wrote:
Ryan wrote:let's just hope for the best guys. Obviously there is something going on otherwise Dino would have posted on here by now. I think Dino and crew have been great for VALIANT and I applaud all the effort they've put forth to bringing our characters back in the way that we all love them.
It can be either really good news or really bad news but I'm quite certain that its a good sign, With Shooter Available and whispers of Valiant attempting to relaunch sooner than expected they could really be knee deep in business affairs as well as creative direction and physical work underway.

It's pretty much really bad news. There is no reason (not even working hard on a relaunch) that should keep VEI from releasing a HC that's already finished. I really wish that Dino would chime in with something to let everyone know what the delay is now.

It sucks, but I'm still going to keep the faith.

dave · Post by **dave** » Fri Oct 24, 2008 9:46 am

unless shooter was no longer happy with the content-maybe somebody sneezed and now he's gotta make somebody else say "bless you"?

i'm still hoping for the best.

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Fri Oct 24, 2008 11:19 am

etos45 wrote: It sucks, but I'm still going to keep the faith.

Ditto.

t_inkster · Post by **t_inkster** » Fri Oct 24, 2008 4:40 pm

I'm worried there may be money problems. iirc Crossgen ended with misterious delays because they couldn't pay printing arrears so the printer wouldn't release the books. It just seems strange to me that there is such a long delay for a finished product.

I really hope that isn't the case though - I'm looking forward to have the complete valiant library in those hardcovers.

Dr. Solar · Post by **Dr. Solar** » Fri Oct 24, 2008 4:41 pm

t_inkster wrote:I'm worried there may be money problems. iirc Crossgen ended with misterious delays because they couldn't pay printing arrears so the printer wouldn't release the books. It just seems strange to me that there is such a long delay for a finished product.

I really hope that isn't the case though - I'm looking forward to have the complete valiant library in those hardcovers.

I think that Crossgen was also run poorly as a business from what I understand. I have more faith in VEI to have good business practices.

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Fri Oct 24, 2008 4:45 pm

t_inkster wrote:I'm worried there may be money problems. iirc Crossgen ended with misterious delays because they couldn't pay printing arrears so the printer wouldn't release the books. It just seems strange to me that there is such a long delay for a finished product.

I really hope that isn't the case though

Anything is possible I suppose, but I rather doubt that will the case in this instance.

400yrs · Post by **400yrs** » Fri Oct 24, 2008 7:13 pm

Wonder if it's something legal again. If Dino had a copy in hand like he said, the printer should have been done with them a while ago.

Maybe they are hard at work making pamphlets or whatever VEI calls comics.

It's mainly reprinted stuff so the release date really doesn't bother me. However, it doesn't give me any faith that they could put out pamphlets consisting of all new material on a timely basis.

MoonChild · Post by **MoonChild** » Fri Oct 24, 2008 7:18 pm

no, your right, But being that it is just a hardcover they may be holding out till its done right If in fact the error has continued to occur [3 faulty hardcovers in a business deal with a print company would *SQUEE* me off too and I might just fire them and go elsewhere, which would take time]. But again i know squit just like the rest of us at this point.

dellamorte wrote:
MoonChild wrote:
Ryan wrote:let's just hope for the best guys. Obviously there is something going on otherwise Dino would have posted on here by now. I think Dino and crew have been great for VALIANT and I applaud all the effort they've put forth to bringing our characters back in the way that we all love them.
It can be either really good news or really bad news but I'm quite certain that its a good sign, With Shooter Available and whispers of Valiant attempting to relaunch sooner than expected they could really be knee deep in business affairs as well as creative direction and physical work underway.
They could be, but is that really any reason why a finished book has not been released?

cinlach@aol.com · Post by **cinlach@aol.com** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 5:16 am

400yrs wrote:It's mainly reprinted stuff so the release date really doesn't bother me. However, it doesn't give me any faith that they could put out pamphlets consisting of all new material on a timely basis.

They're called "comics". Don't go all Quesada-speak on us.

jedimarley · Post by **jedimarley** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 6:49 am

cinlach@aol.com wrote:
400yrs wrote:It's mainly reprinted stuff so the release date really doesn't bother me. However, it doesn't give me any faith that they could put out pamphlets consisting of all new material on a timely basis.
They're called "comics". Don't go all Quesada-speak on us.

That's actually "Dino-speak".

Zaphod · Post by **Zaphod** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 7:22 am

This all coincides with a very public financial crisis...its a really good possibility that the capital that was there to release these books is no longer there.

I don't know dino as perhaps some of you do, but since he began speaking on the boards on VEI's behalf, it has seemed to me to be quite a bit of double-talk and rhetoric.

Its the oldest staple of successful business practices to under-promise and over-deliver. Too few businesses practice it these days and by this time, dino's former posturing on the matter of lateness is deafening by its silence.

Couple that with a significant piece of VEIs target market evaporating over the last couple months (as the purse strings are tightened...these "pamphlets" are luxuries to easily be eliminated from budgets) and I am sure that no matter what VEIs situation, their relaunch plans need heavy re-evaluating.

jedimarley · Post by **jedimarley** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 7:39 am

VEI obtained the rights to these characters almost FIVE YEARS AGO and in those five years all we have seen from them is two HC's with a combined print run of less then 5000.
With whatever money made off those HC's and what ever money made off the Harbinger movie rights has to be long gone.
That and all the legal troubles and the money needed for lawyers they could very well be close to if not already bankrupt.

The delays with the Harbinger HC. The delays in paying the artist for the XO HC. Now the mysterious delay with the A&A HC.

It seems that VEI has been behind that eight ball since day one and it has finally caught up to then.

Where's DH when you need them.

dellamorte · Post by **dellamorte** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 9:47 am

jedimarley wrote:Where's DH when you need them.

http://www.darkhorse.com/

400yrs · Post by **400yrs** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 9:53 am

jedimarley wrote:Where's DH when you need them.

They are busy making comics and working on movies.

I don't think it has been almost 5 years already, has it?

Zaphod · Post by **Zaphod** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 10:19 am

400yrs wrote:
jedimarley wrote:Where's DH when you need them.
They are busy making comics and working on movies.

I don't think it has been almost 5 years already, has it?

More like 3, but who is counting.

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Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 11:18 am

Zaphod wrote:
400yrs wrote:
jedimarley wrote:Where's DH when you need them.
They are busy making comics and working on movies.

I don't think it has been almost 5 years already, has it?
More like 3, but who is counting.

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And most of that time was spent in a long drawn out court battle.

jedimarley · Post by **jedimarley** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 11:53 am

Zaphod wrote:
400yrs wrote:
jedimarley wrote:Where's DH when you need them.
They are busy making comics and working on movies.

I don't think it has been almost 5 years already, has it?
More like 3, but who is counting.

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5 years if you count the time spent getting the funding together.

jedimarley · Post by **jedimarley** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 11:56 am

400yrs wrote:
jedimarley wrote:Where's DH when you need them.
They are busy making comics and working on movies.

Pamphlets. They're called Pamphlets.

400yrs · Post by **400yrs** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 12:08 pm

jedimarley wrote:
400yrs wrote:
jedimarley wrote:Where's DH when you need them.
They are busy making comics and working on movies.

Pamphlets. They're called Pamphlets.

Doh!. I forgot.

sanman · Post by **sanman** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 12:34 pm

It’s now the end of October with no A&A HC released. I got a bad feeling about this...

Zaphod · Post by **Zaphod** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 3:07 pm

jedimarley wrote:
Zaphod wrote:
400yrs wrote:
jedimarley wrote:Where's DH when you need them.
They are busy making comics and working on movies.

I don't think it has been almost 5 years already, has it?
More like 3, but who is counting.

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5 years if you count the time spent getting the funding together.

not to mention the additional 5 years they spent drooling over the prospect of one day Acclaim putting the property up for auction....seriously?

you count from the day they gained control over the properties. If you want to give them a mulligan for the time they spent in litigation, focusing on a name more than focusing on producing monthly pamphlets, fine. I don't. The big reason to focus on going to court for the names (besides principal) was that the names have much more marketability than the concept when it comes to selling the movie rights, video game rights etc.

They are coming up on year 4 and really haven't progressed much when it comes to actually relaunching a universe in monthly pamphlets. I'm losing patience with the double-talk I have been reading the last few months from their voice here and I didn't think I would. But it is getting to the point where I feel like dino is jerking me around. Sell it to me straight and don't treat me like a moron. If your focus is to sell the properties as movies or video games or re-release the old material with 2-5% "all new material" then just say so. I can respect that and appreciate the honestly. In fact I can understand if that is the gameplan. So far though, it seems like we are getting assurances they are doing one thing with no forward momentum towards it and I can't shake the feeling that I am being lied to.

Don't *SQUEE* down my back and then tell me that its raining.

jedimarley · Post by **jedimarley** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 4:23 pm

Soooooo.......First week of November?

Brother J · Post by **Brother J** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 5:55 pm

jedimarley wrote:Soooooo.......First week of November?

starting to think it's going to be first week of Never...

MoonChild · Post by **MoonChild** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 6:48 pm

Well I did just speak with Dino the other day and sent him a bunch of shadowman doubles so I want to assume we are jumping the gun here.