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mrwoogieman · Post by **mrwoogieman** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 10:34 pm

It's a Gold Lavel!

You wish yours had been manhandled as much as this one. This guy does everything except make it into a paper airplane...

http://cgi.ebay.com/Shadowman-0-GOLD-La ... dZViewItem

Smashey · Post by **Smashey** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 10:53 pm

It's a Gold Lavel!

You wish yours had been manhandled as much as this one. This guy does everything except make it into a paper airplane...

Its not even a gold. Its the regular version.

I like this shipping

Please note that S/H charges CANNOT be combined with other auctions.

Shipping Handling Fees are non-negotiable SO DONT ASK BEFORE DURING OR AFTER THE AUCTION!

7 bucks shipping per book lol.

If you choose to pick the item up at the store to avoid shipping costs.....hes got a defense for that too

Any item picked up in our store that is not shipped will be assesed a $5.00 handling charge PLUS 6% CT Sales Tax. A handling fee is incorporated into the shipping cost, the handling fee covers inventory management labor, logistic, warehousing, sales and marketing related costs. Please consider the total amount as your cost of purchase, which including: auction ending price + shipping handling + insurance

Jerry Springers Final Thought

AuctionGuyz is not the owner or seller of these item(s), but merely a bailee acting on behalf of the seller to facilitate the sale of the item(s) by holding the item(s) until such time as a sale is completed and the item(s) are shipped to the buyer.

mrwoogieman · Post by **mrwoogieman** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 11:22 pm

I don't care what his terms are --

IT'S A GOLD LAVEL!!

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 11:40 pm

Do you think he meant "label" or "level"?

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 12:35 am

Smashey wrote:
It's a Gold Lavel!

You wish yours had been manhandled as much as this one. This guy does everything except make it into a paper airplane...
Its not even a gold. Its the regular version.

I like this shipping
Please note that S/H charges CANNOT be combined with other auctions.

Shipping Handling Fees are non-negotiable SO DONT ASK BEFORE DURING OR AFTER THE AUCTION!
7 bucks shipping per book lol.

If you choose to pick the item up at the store to avoid shipping costs.....hes got a defense for that too
Any item picked up in our store that is not shipped will be assesed a $5.00 handling charge PLUS 6% CT Sales Tax. A handling fee is incorporated into the shipping cost, the handling fee covers inventory management labor, logistic, warehousing, sales and marketing related costs. Please consider the total amount as your cost of purchase, which including: auction ending price + shipping handling + insurance
Jerry Springers Final Thought
AuctionGuyz is not the owner or seller of these item(s), but merely a bailee acting on behalf of the seller to facilitate the sale of the item(s) by holding the item(s) until such time as a sale is completed and the item(s) are shipped to the buyer.

I am SO DAMN SICK of the "Bailees" operating on eBay...."auctionguyz", "WeSellIt", etc...they have NO damn clue about their market, they clog up categories, and they ALWAYS have overpriced crap, and ridiculous S&H policies.

They don't understand that "hey....if you can't pay your staff without having absurd "handling" policies....MAYBE your BUSINESS MODEL DOESN'T WORK!"

JustCallMeAric · Post by **JustCallMeAric** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 1:12 pm

The guy sounds like a *SQUEE*

Smashey · Post by **Smashey** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 2:21 pm

the drama continues from the whole overgraded thingy.

The owner has made an offer, it is the only one you'll get - I don't agree with it, but it's his choice. His offer is this: Mutual withdraw of feedback, and I will take a handful of comics, unsearced, etc out of one of the boxes (there are 6000+ comics) and send you that handful - as is - and that will be the end of it. I figure I can fit between 10-14 comics in a handful. Let me know Oh - and BTW - I have messaged affidavits from other ebayers you contaced which is against ebay terms of service, I will also not act on those.

- buffalo-walker

I DECLINED HER OFFER AND TOLD HER THAT I WANTED TO RETURN THE 19 COMICS FOR A REFUND!!!! SHE DECLINED SO I PLACED A STOP PAYMENT ON THE CHECK FOR $300 BUT SHE CASHED THE UNITED STATES POSTAL MONEY ORDER FOR $367.00 (THE TOTAL ORDER WAS $687.00). I TOLD HER THAT I WOULD RETURN THE COMICS FOR THE REFUND OF THE MONEY ORDER AND SHE WOULD HAVE ALL HER COMICS BACK AND I WOULD HAVE ALL MY MONEY BACK...SHE STILL SAID NO WHICH MAKES ME BELIEVE THAT SHE KNOWS EXACTLY THE GARBAGE THAT SHE IS SELLING AND DOES NOT WANT IT BACK! AS FOR THE LIES SHE STATED THAT MY COUSIN WAS PART OF A TAG TEAM THAT SCAMMED HER......THE OTHER BUYER IS NOT MY COUSIN, IT IS MY COUSINS BOSS WHOM I INFORMED OF MY EXPERIENCE WITH THIS SCAMMER AND HE DECIDED TO PLACE A STOP PAYMENT ON HIS CHECK TO HER....HE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY COMICS FROM HER, SO SHE IS A LIAR IN REFERENCE TO THAT MATTER ALSO.

So, the second account that i figured to be the same person isnt the same person, but is linked.

He says himself, that his "cousins boss" didnt receive any comics from her. She didnt ship them out because he stopped payment on the check before she shipped.

This is the feedback that the guy who did not receive any comics left for every auction.

This seller is a liar! ALL THE COMICS ARE OVERGRADED AND SHE WILL NOT REFUND

Which is a flat out lie. Hes claiming the comics were overgraded yet he never received any. And he says that she will not issue a refund when there was nothing to refund, since the transaction never took place. So...half of her negatives are completely fabricated lies to support his "employees cousin" Well not half anymore. 8 of them. The other guy left a slew more negs, like 20 now. Even on coins.

The story is unfolding. I knew there was more to it. Doesnt mean the first guy didnt get a bunch of overgraded crap. But, there is definately a teamed up offense on the seller.

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 3:26 pm

So we've got a clash of the ignorant and the malicious.

I don't mean "ignorant" in anger. This seller clearly has no knowledge in either comic grading or the comic market, but is throwing her(?) line out there anyways to see if she gets a tap. I don't think she's willfully going out to commit fraud or misrepresent her products, but she is making claims that she is not qualified to make when she refers to comics as mint. That is grading a comic and it is a good move on her part to remove such claims from future auctions. Clearly, her client is in the drivers seat on a lot of this and this fool thinks it is still 1993 appearantly. She has chosen to go more with her contracted client's wishes than what we all know (but she may not) is in the best interest of her potential customers.

I don't doubt her intentions are good - she wants to sell these items for her client, but she's dealing with a market that she doesn't know enough about.

I also am interested in how this cgcruler/comictoysandstuff debacle is unfolding. I would not be inclined to bid on either of their items after what has been shown so far.

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 3:46 pm

Smashey wrote:the drama continues from the whole overgraded thingy.

The owner has made an offer, it is the only one you'll get - I don't agree with it, but it's his choice. His offer is this: Mutual withdraw of feedback, and I will take a handful of comics, unsearced, etc out of one of the boxes (there are 6000+ comics) and send you that handful - as is - and that will be the end of it. I figure I can fit between 10-14 comics in a handful. Let me know Oh - and BTW - I have messaged affidavits from other ebayers you contaced which is against ebay terms of service, I will also not act on those.

- buffalo-walker

I DECLINED HER OFFER AND TOLD HER THAT I WANTED TO RETURN THE 19 COMICS FOR A REFUND!!!! SHE DECLINED SO I PLACED A STOP PAYMENT ON THE CHECK FOR $300 BUT SHE CASHED THE UNITED STATES POSTAL MONEY ORDER FOR $367.00 (THE TOTAL ORDER WAS $687.00). I TOLD HER THAT I WOULD RETURN THE COMICS FOR THE REFUND OF THE MONEY ORDER AND SHE WOULD HAVE ALL HER COMICS BACK AND I WOULD HAVE ALL MY MONEY BACK...SHE STILL SAID NO WHICH MAKES ME BELIEVE THAT SHE KNOWS EXACTLY THE GARBAGE THAT SHE IS SELLING AND DOES NOT WANT IT BACK! AS FOR THE LIES SHE STATED THAT MY COUSIN WAS PART OF A TAG TEAM THAT SCAMMED HER......THE OTHER BUYER IS NOT MY COUSIN, IT IS MY COUSINS BOSS WHOM I INFORMED OF MY EXPERIENCE WITH THIS SCAMMER AND HE DECIDED TO PLACE A STOP PAYMENT ON HIS CHECK TO HER....HE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY COMICS FROM HER, SO SHE IS A LIAR IN REFERENCE TO THAT MATTER ALSO.
So, the second account that i figured to be the same person isnt the same person, but is linked.

He says himself, that his "cousins boss" didnt receive any comics from her. She didnt ship them out because he stopped payment on the check before she shipped.

This is the feedback that the guy who did not receive any comics left for every auction.
This seller is a liar! ALL THE COMICS ARE OVERGRADED AND SHE WILL NOT REFUND
Which is a flat out lie. Hes claiming the comics were overgraded yet he never received any.

If....IF....the buyer ctas had sent payment early on (the auctions ended Feb 10-ish) and received the books, and they were badly overgraded (which is clear they were), then the other buyer, cgcruler, could very easily not have sent payment yet, or just sent payment, and stopped payment "in time."

So, in that case, even though cgcruler didn't receive any books, he may have felt that he dodged a bullet by stopping payment before getting stuck with overgraded books himself. So, even though the feedback wasn't accurate for those SPECIFIC books, cgcruler could very well have left them as "sympathy negs" for his associate, ctas.

Possible, and relatively likely....assuming that the buyers aren't conducting a scam (and the evidence for that is thin, at this time.)

And he says that she will not issue a refund when there was nothing to refund, since the transaction never took place. So...half of her negatives are completely fabricated lies to support his "employees cousin" Well not half anymore. 8 of them. The other guy left a slew more negs, like 20 now. Even on coins.

Ok, but the feedback isn't completely fabricated lies if they were left in support of his associate.

Yes, in absolute terms, if cgcruler never received any books, the feedback for those specific books are completely false....but they aren't necessarily LIES, because they can be referring to his compatriot's situation. Remember, people are allowed to leave fb for any reason they like...

The story is unfolding. I knew there was more to it. Doesnt mean the first guy didnt get a bunch of overgraded crap. But, there is definately a teamed up offense on the seller.

Ok, so now we have proof that the two accounts are linked. This opens up all sorts of avenues we can consider that we couldn't until that was proven (as it now has been by the confession of the buyer.)

The payment part is fascinating...why did he pay $300 in a check and $367 in MO? If we can get the answer to THAT, we'll be able to determine if this was planned from the first bid.

And, of course, the "owner's" offer is complete garbage. No sane person would ever agree to such terms. It's a big "eff you" to the buyer. So, this seller's clearly nuts.

X-O HoboJoe · Post by **X-O HoboJoe** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 3:49 pm

This seller is a liar! ALL THE COMICS ARE OVERGRADED AND SHE WILL NOT REFUND
Which is a flat out lie. Hes claiming the comics were overgraded yet he never received any.

Taken out of context this statement is quite funny.

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 4:00 pm

Chiclo wrote:So we've got a clash of the ignorant and the malicious.

I don't mean "ignorant" in anger. This seller clearly has no knowledge in either comic grading or the comic market, but is throwing her(?) line out there anyways to see if she gets a tap. I don't think she's willfully going out to commit fraud or misrepresent her products, but she is making claims that she is not qualified to make when she refers to comics as mint. That is grading a comic and it is a good move on her part to remove such claims from future auctions. Clearly, her client is in the drivers seat on a lot of this and this fool thinks it is still 1993 appearantly. She has chosen to go more with her contracted client's wishes than what we all know (but she may not) is in the best interest of her potential customers.

I don't doubt her intentions are good - she wants to sell these items for her client, but she's dealing with a market that she doesn't know enough about.

I also am interested in how this cgcruler/comictoysandstuff debacle is unfolding. I would not be inclined to bid on either of their items after what has been shown so far.

I don't agree with the seller having good intentions. After all, ignorance of the law is no excuse. She's no eBay dummy. If she truly had no concept of grading, she had no business putting condition statements on these items.

It's not 1973, after all, and when someone sells a comic for hundreds of dollars that originally sold for 10, 12, 15 cents, it is incumbent on the seller to gain a minimal knowledge of the subject PRIOR TO assigning recognized grading nomenclature without any further statement as to condition, and/or photographs which clearly show flaws.

As well, her whole "as is" repeated ad nauseum tells me her hands are not clean, either.

And, in the eyes of the law, when a person has "unclean hands", they lose a considerable amount of the "good faith" they may have otherwise had that would have helped them in a claim.

Her behavior after the fact....her refusal to take the merchandise back, her claims that the buyer is showing different books (why? What motivation would a buyer have to put up a different book if they received the correct book in good order, other than irrationality? You cannot just assume someone is irrational, without evidence), and her "offer" of "random comics" tells me that she....more than likely....knew exactly what she was doing, and DID intend, on some level, to misrepresent her merchandise.

There's no reason....ESPECIALLY after all this hoopla...to not take the merchandise back....UNLESS the seller is engaged in shady business herself, and knows she's caught. If she is concerned (highly doubtful) that she will be sent "different books" or the buyer will "further damage" the books....she should have taken much, much better pictures of her books before sending them out. Now, she cannot prove anything.

I've seen cases where a seller took pictures of an item that....coincidentally....left out the area that happened to be damaged, and which damage the plaintiff happened to notice when the item arrived. That seller, aka defendant, lost because of that, as well as the fact that the original shipping box was undamaged.

Her one saving grace, of course, is removing the condition nomenclature....but she really may not have had a choice.

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 4:01 pm

Regardless, this is fascinating stuff.

Smashey · Post by **Smashey** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 5:07 pm

Regardless, this is fascinating stuff.

Ya, Im having fun watching everything unfold.

I think without a doubt he did receive overgraded books. I think the seller seems pretty shady with her no paypal, no return policy. Its obvious.

I dont think the two buyers are actually trying to scam. I think with his ebay auction to show some of the books, and how adamant hes being, he is truly a *SQUEE* off buyer.

I dont think those negatives from cgc were waranted at all though. If he ordered the books, then cancelled payment before they were even shipped, he has nothing he can possibly say about the transaction. There is no way for him to prove that the books he was going to purchase were overgraded. I think he himself should of received negatives for buying the books then cancelling the payment.

Comics negatives were waranted. Im not so sure on the coins that he purchased. That seems like retaliation on those. The coins dont have to do with the comics.

Im actually surprised he admitted he was linked to cgc somehow. Makes it look pretty shady, although it might not be.

Her offer on more free books was crap. But then again. She did say no returns. She could of just told him to suck off considering she clearly stated no returns. Ya, ya, they were probly overgraded. But, he took that chance purchasing them when it said AS IS. Just as I did. If my books come overgraded, im not gonna go asking for a return. I knowingly took the chance. Then again, I may just give her a call and describe my situation and see if she comes up with anything.

Dunno, Im gonna make a bag of popcorn and see what happens. I did notice that she is still receiving positive feedbacks. Some of the positives left are from ebay members with quite a few feedbacks. I wouldnt imagine experienced buyers/sellers to leave positives for books that cost $80 etc. I did also see a positive saying that it was not the condition stated, but was still a good book for the price, and he read "as is".

Smashey · Post by **Smashey** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 5:09 pm

I will laugh my *SQUEE* off if my books actually come NM, and i cgc them and make some good coin off them. Her feedback is so screwed now that people wont be bidding on her stuff and maybe i can get a ton of stuff cheap and get a little cash flow goin.

"Wishful Thinking"

Smashey · Post by **Smashey** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 10:29 pm

The plot thickens. Buyer left 2 more negs for the seller, increasing the amount of negs he left to 20. The other linked buyer had left 8 total, for a total of 28 for the month. The seller made her feedback private after those last 2.

Since her feedback has been private, she got 14 more negs, for a total of 42 for thew month. And they were not left by either of the buyers. So someone new left a bunch of negs.

Also the buyer is now claiming in his feedback left, that the seller is using shills to raise her positive feedback score.

SCAMMER WHO USES SHILLS TO INCREASE POSITIVE FEEDBACK! BUYERS BEWARE -NO PAYPAL

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 10:39 pm

She's done something to *SQUEE* somebody off, appearantly.

This is the sort of campaign of holy terror that Carl promised to Lawrence Tines if he missed any easy chip shots in Arizona.

Smashey · Post by **Smashey** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 10:51 pm

She's done something to *SQUEE* somebody off, appearantly.

Ya...she sold a guy $600 or so of crap books as "nm/m", supposedly. I would really like to see who the 14 new negs are from. They arent from either of the buyers that were leaving the negs.

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 12:03 am

Smashey wrote:
Her offer on more free books was crap. But then again. She did say no returns. She could of just told him to suck off considering she clearly stated no returns. Ya, ya, they were probly overgraded. But, he took that chance purchasing them when it said AS IS. Just as I did. If my books come overgraded, im not gonna go asking for a return. I knowingly took the chance. Then again, I may just give her a call and describe my situation and see if she comes up with anything.

Wanted to comment on this....

A seller on eBay (or Craigslist, or Amazon, or whatever) cannot give a specific grade/condition to an item, and then hide behind the "sold as is" claim, if the item is clearly not IN that condition when it arrives to the buyer. That's fraud, and it's simply not allowed by the law.

The ONLY way "as is" is enforceable in a non-face to face transaction is if the seller gives NO comment on the condition in any way. Once they do that, "as is" is no longer enforceable. So, if a seller says "MINT CONDITION" and the thing is a rag, it doesn't matter if they scream "AS IS" from the rooftops: they lied and tried to commit fraud, so that term is unenforceable.

superman-prime · Post by **superman-prime** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 12:31 am

they all hide behind in not a grader but, i give it a mint tag

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 1:57 am

Smashey wrote:The plot thickens. Buyer left 2 more negs for the seller, increasing the amount of negs he left to 20. The other linked buyer had left 8 total, for a total of 28 for the month. The seller made her feedback private after those last 2.

Since her feedback has been private, she got 14 more negs, for a total of 42 for thew month. And they were not left by either of the buyers. So someone new left a bunch of negs.

Also the buyer is now claiming in his feedback left, that the seller is using shills to raise her positive feedback score.
SCAMMER WHO USES SHILLS TO INCREASE POSITIVE FEEDBACK! BUYERS BEWARE -NO PAYPAL

Nice detective work. That's true, cgcruler (who is NARU'd) didn't leave the FB, and comictoysandstuff didn't....

I wonder who did?

When a seller takes their FB private....which, by the way, is against eBay policy....that means they're hiding something.

This woman knows EXACTLY what she's doing; she took her FB private right after her last item sold. She probably TRIED to make it private before, but discovered she couldn't, with active auctions.

So long as her FB is private, she cannot sell.

Smashey · Post by **Smashey** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 3:07 am

I wonder who did?

Not sure. I spent about 30 minutes trying to figure it out, going through books that cgcruler and comicstoys won, checking out feedback left from bidders who lost. It has to be someone who purchased quite a few books. Those 14 popped up all at once, had to be one person.

Smashey · Post by **Smashey** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 3:09 am

Funny thing is, i bid on alot of books they won, im glad they outbid me on all of them at the last minute

Smashey · Post by **Smashey** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 3:44 am

booyah, heres where the new negatives came from.
http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d ... tForOthers

Reading the feedback though, the buyer never sent payment for any of this..........and he left negatives for them all.

I will have to say. This is REALLY starting to seem fishy. This seller has 42 negatives from this month. 22 of them are from people who DID NOT PAY for the books. The other 20 are from a guy who stopped payment of $300. I find it really odd that there are 42 negatives, and every single one of them has a payment problem.

Im seriously going to hold my judgement on this seller until I receive my books and see for myself. Everyone else seems to be happy except for the non paying bidders......

On top of the non paying negatives from buffalo, here is some more negs that this new negative feedback leaver has on him....

NO Communication B4 you NEG Feedback, seller has different username now ?!?!?!?!

SCARY BUYER! PUBLISHES EBAY MEMBERS PERSONAL INFO! WATCH OUT FOR YOUR SAFETY!

Buyer didn't respond to the Unpaid item notification for this transaction.

PayPal scammer. Sent 2 boxes of crap, kept $455 auction, then kept my insurance.

GETTING KICKED OFF EBAY,FOR WRITING BAD CHECKS, sellers contact me! NFS checks!!

List goes on and on...

superman-prime · Post by **superman-prime** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 4:18 am

Thats kinda scary

Smashey · Post by **Smashey** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 4:22 am

dude go to sleep, its like 330am in az lol