shocker toys

[Harbinger7]

Oh and VEI won't be making anything as they are in legal limbo still that is why the characters we are doing are Gold Key which reverted back to Classic media.

You should probably make Solar's face green then. Gold Key Solar had "green skin",
Valiant (VEI) Solar has beige skin. Since you don't have VEI's permission,
you probably should stick to green skin Gold Key Solar... just because you're so into legalities and all.

Serious pwnage right there, folks.



-slym

[400yrs]

The vast majority of the Valiant universe is completely owned by VEI, and it is NOT in any "legal limbo".........
........X-O Manowar, Shadowman, Archer & Armstrong, etc... all 100% VEI. Today.

I don't want to change the subject from Shocker Toys, but do you think that VEI would have the same issue with Diamond if they were to put out an X-O book? Seems like they shouldn't if they own it outright.

[The Unknown Spider]

HOW DARE YOU?!@!!! START YOUR OWN THREAD MAN, THAT IS NOT SHOCKER RELATED! J/k. I don't think they would have the same issues. XO was the most successful book at Valiant. Also like you said the issues are not in question when it comes to XO.

[Daniel Jackson]

From the way Shocker Toys has replied to this thread I'm glad VEI decided against them.

[Sting]

From the way Shocker Toys has replied to this thread I'm glad VEI decided against them.

I think they would be more suited to producing VIP's characters

[greg]

The vast majority of the Valiant universe is completely owned by VEI, and it is NOT in any "legal limbo".........
........X-O Manowar, Shadowman, Archer & Armstrong, etc... all 100% VEI. Today.

I don't want to change the subject from Shocker Toys, but do you think that VEI would have the same issue with Diamond if they were to put out an X-O book? Seems like they shouldn't if they own it outright.

Well, it depends on whether VIP would cause problems over the word "Valiant"
regardless of what title was being published. That's part of VIP's "contention"
with VEI... both companies believe they deserve the "Valiant" label.

My guess is that VIP will cause whatever problems that VIP can cause
because they don't seem to be able to do much of anything else.



Back to the Shocker Toys issue... they seem to be interested in creating
toys for independent publishers which are already recognizable to fans.
From that standpoint, the copyrights are all that matter. The way the toy looks
is 100% dependent on the copyrights.

[Brother J]

Back to the Shocker Toys issue... they seem to be interested in creating
toys for independent publishers which are already recognizable to fans.
From that standpoint, the copyrights are all that matter. The way the toy looks
is 100% dependent on the copyrights.

I could be wrong, but I would think without the trademarks, you couldn't put the name of the character on the packaging, which might be a bit of a problem.

[greg]

Back to the Shocker Toys issue... they seem to be interested in creating
toys for independent publishers which are already recognizable to fans.
From that standpoint, the copyrights are all that matter. The way the toy looks
is 100% dependent on the copyrights.

I could be wrong, but I would think without the trademarks, you couldn't put the name of the character on the packaging, which might be a bit of a problem.

Without the trademark, for example "Eternal Warrior", you'd have to put
"Gilad the Immortal" or "The Original Eternal Warrior" on the packaging.

I doubt if that would be much of a problem.

[ManofTheAtom]

"The Original Eternal Warrior"

Do you remember the two Ghostbusters toons from the 80's? One was Filmation that owned the Ghost Busters trademarks, while the other was by DIC, who made the toon based on Columbia's Ghostbusters movie.

For the movie Columbia got a license from Filmation to use the name, but for the toon DIC renamed it "The Real Ghostbusters!" to differenciate it from Filmation's toons (oddly enough, Filmation's version was the real one, while DIC's was the second version of the concept...).

If it came to it, VEI could just add the word "Real" before the name (i.e. The Real Eternal Warrior, The Real Harbinger, etc) same way DIC/Columbia did to the Ghostbusters tm.

Of course, since VIP doesn't own anything and VEI does, they don't need to

[Shocker Toys]

I agree with Greg names can be changed but symbols are a tough one. Like Dr. Solar we were told Classic Media owns both versions green and flesh tones as the rights went back to them. A statue made through Classic by dynamite has flesh tone thats what we modeled the shockini after. We would love to add the Valiant characters to the line whenever the new owners decide to do toys.

[magnusr]

we were told Classic Media owns both versions green and flesh tones as the rights went back to them.

I would love to see the original agreement between Western and Voyager. There must be a bunch of border-line issues what belongs to whom. It is generally very strange that a derived creation would revert together with the licensed product. Sun sure has no rights to the products I create with their tools. For a derived creation where only the skin color and details in the costume have changed I can have some understanding, but even so it is weird for the licencing company to prefer the derived product to their own.

As I never will see that agreement I would love to hear whatever you remember.

/Magnus

[The Unknown Spider]

Shocker Toys go back to page 2 and address some of the issues from that page.

[Cyberstrike]

"The Original Eternal Warrior"

Do you remember the two Ghostbusters toons from the 80's? One was Filmation that owned the Ghost Busters trademarks, while the other was by DIC, who made the toon based on Columbia's Ghostbusters movie.

For the movie Columbia got a license from Filmation to use the name, but for the toon DIC renamed it "The Real Ghostbusters!" to differenciate it from Filmation's toons (oddly enough, Filmation's version was the real one, while DIC's was the second version of the concept...)

I guess it depends on your point of view (and age at that time).
I was a kid so to me the "real" Ghostbusters were the ones from the live action movies and so their cartoon shows were about the "real" Ghostbusters, when I was a kid I thought that Filmations' Ghostbusters were a poor man's knock off of the real Ghostbusters that Columbia made.

Adding the word "real" to some thing that is in pop culture is kind of weird
at best. It's like asking: Who's the real James Bond, voice actor of Optimus Prime, voice actor of Megatron, Doctor Who, and etc. All of which is basically each of the fan's point of view.
FTR mine are: Bronsan, Cullen, Kaye, and the 4th Doctor.

Of course, since VIP doesn't own anything and VEI does, they don't need to

Good thing too because going that route allows not only VIP but anybody else to ride on Valiant's coat tails.

[ManofTheAtom]

I guess it depends on your point of view (and age at that time).
I was a kid so to me the "real" Ghostbusters were the ones from the live action movies and so their cartoon shows were about the "real" Ghostbusters, when I was a kid I thought that Filmations' Ghostbusters were a poor man's knock off of the real Ghostbusters that Columbia made.

I thought the same. I even thought that Jake and Eddie were Peter and Ray's kids. It wasn't until I found out about the existance of the original live action TV show from the 60's or whenever that I understood what made them different.

Adding the word "real" to some thing that is in pop culture is kind of weird at best. It's like asking: Who's the real James Bond, voice actor of Optimus Prime, voice actor of Megatron, Doctor Who, and etc. All of which is basically each of the fan's point of view.
FTR mine are: Bronsan, Cullen, Kaye, and the 4th Doctor.

Brosnan, Cullen, Weller, and the current Doctor.

[Shocker Toys]

Shocker Toys go back to page 2 and address some of the issues from that page.

If you are asking why it takes so long it is because things have to be done properly. We did not want to rush the line and SCUD's creator understands that as do the rest. We had to also go back to the drawing board and scrap our original sculpts and go with 3-D printing instead.

[RyanMcLelland]

I actually signed a deal with Shocker Toys to do action figures for my comic 'Philly.'

Signed the contract...it took four months to get back to me...and never heard from them again.

WOOT!

[Daniel Jackson]

I actually signed a deal with Shocker Toys to do action figures for my comic 'Philly.'

Signed the contract...it took four months to get back to me...and never heard from them again.

WOOT!

Hmm... pretty lousy way to do business.

[Tim]

Hmm... pretty lousy way to do business.

Yeah, it's becoming pretty clear what kind of company this is.

[Daniel Jackson]

Hmm... pretty lousy way to do business.

Yeah, it's becoming pretty clear what kind of company this is.

It's becoming clear why Solar looks like this now.....

[Shocker Toys]

Hmm... pretty lousy way to do business.

Yeah, it's becoming pretty clear what kind of company this is.

As far as what kind of company we are it is a fan driven company doing things other fans don't have the balls to do. When it gets done it will get done and then you can all pass judgement!

[Chiclo]

Man, check out those "test photos".

Taken at Comic Con.

Those are "test photos" because Shocker Toys has told me before, on both this board and others, that that is all that I have seen and not to judge them by that. These "test photos" were available for sale at Comic Con.

[slym2none]

Hmm... pretty lousy way to do business.

Yeah, it's becoming pretty clear what kind of company this is.

As far as what kind of company we are it is a fan driven company doing things other fans don't have the balls to do. When it gets done it will get done and then you can all pass judgement!

Um, when you have a contract for services and you don't do it (per Ryan's comment,) I think I can pass judgement based on that alone, thank you very much.

Your attitude alone pretty much guarantees that I would never even recommend one of any of your products to anyone.

Thanks for telling me what to do, pal... I pass judgement on you now - you suck sour frog *SQUEE*.



-slym

[Cyberstrike]

Hmm... pretty lousy way to do business.

Yeah, it's becoming pretty clear what kind of company this is.

As far as what kind of company we are it is a fan driven company doing things other fans don't have the balls to do. When it gets done it will get done and then you can all pass judgement!

While I generally don't pass judgement on toys until I see them in stores
but your pi$$ poor attitude towards potential customers makes me not want to buy your toy.

So congratulations you just lost 1 potential customer...me.

[Shocker Toys]

Hmm... pretty lousy way to do business.

Yeah, it's becoming pretty clear what kind of company this is.

As far as what kind of company we are it is a fan driven company doing things other fans don't have the balls to do. When it gets done it will get done and then you can all pass judgement!

Um, when you have a contract for services and you don't do it (per Ryan's comment,) I think I can pass judgement based on that alone, thank you very much.

Your attitude alone pretty much guarantees that I would never even recommend one of any of your products to anyone.

Thanks for telling me what to do, pal... I pass judgement on you now - you suck sour frog *SQUEE*.



-slym

Your welcome buddy, we just defended ourselves oh wait we are not allowed to do that. We should just remain quite like Mattel and Hasbro and not listen to the fans. Actually that is a good idea because most of the people on the net just talk crap so there is not much to listen to. When people actually give comments and suggestions instead of what you call *SQUEE* poor attitude then we will respond until then this thread is now dead to us.

[cobra_commander]

Hmm... pretty lousy way to do business.

Yeah, it's becoming pretty clear what kind of company this is.

As far as what kind of company we are it is a fan driven company doing things other fans don't have the balls to do. When it gets done it will get done and then you can all pass judgement!

Um, when you have a contract for services and you don't do it (per Ryan's comment,) I think I can pass judgement based on that alone, thank you very much.

Your attitude alone pretty much guarantees that I would never even recommend one of any of your products to anyone.

Thanks for telling me what to do, pal... I pass judgement on you now - you suck sour frog *SQUEE*.



-slym

Your welcome buddy, we just defended ourselves oh wait we are not allowed to do that. We should just remain quite like Mattel and Hasbro and not listen to the fans. Actually that is a good idea because most of the people on the net just talk crap so there is not much to listen to. When people actually give comments and suggestions instead of what you call *SQUEE* poor attitude then we will respond until then this thread is now dead to us.

Just one suggestion. You guys need a PR guy