Has Anyone Noticed This??

1st Among Equals · Post by **1st Among Equals** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 2:22 pm

Okay so I found this on ebay and it looks exactly like Armorines 12

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Pierre the Valiant · Post by **Pierre the Valiant** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 2:25 pm

Yep, this is a classic X-Men story from the Byrne/Claremont period. Armorine's cover was clearly a tribute to this great issue which followed the classic "Death of Phenix" story.

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 2:25 pm

Do you think X-Men copied Armorines?

In all seriousness, yes, there is a resemblance. Armorines 12 was an homage, a tribute, to X-Men 138 (I think is that issue).

gowaltrip · Post by **gowaltrip** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 3:01 pm

Thats the one...

Exit Cyclops!

A Classic

magnusr · Post by **magnusr** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 3:28 pm

I like homages. Here's a few that come to mind quickly (mainly Valiant internal references, and one that was traced of an old cover). What is there more?

Homages to other comics:

Copied from other comics:

Cultural references:

Internal Valiant homages:

/Magnus

Rufusharley · Post by **Rufusharley** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 5:04 pm

What's the Armorines V.2 #1 a cover of?

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 5:07 pm

Rufusharley wrote:What's the Armorines V.2 #1 a cover of?

The VH1 #0 issue.

Brother J · Post by **Brother J** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 5:08 pm

Rufusharley wrote:What's the Armorines V.2 #1 a cover of?

betterthanezra · Post by **betterthanezra** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 5:10 pm

Brother J wrote:
Rufusharley wrote:What's the Armorines V.2 #1 a cover of?

Brother J beat me too it

-Brian

Rufusharley · Post by **Rufusharley** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 5:11 pm

I should have noticed that. Thanks guys.

Brother J · Post by **Brother J** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 5:12 pm

betterthanezra wrote:
Brother J wrote:
Rufusharley wrote:What's the Armorines V.2 #1 a cover of?

Brother J beat me too it

-Brian

...and DJ got it before me.

Brother J · Post by **Brother J** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 5:13 pm

Rufusharley wrote:I should have noticed that. Thanks guys.

I didn't notice it at first, either, had to think about it.

Elveen · Post by **Elveen** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 6:31 pm

What about the Harby #14?

thePike · Post by **thePike** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 6:37 pm

Elveen wrote:What about the Harby #14?

a spin from this classic statue (a Michealangelo if I'm not mistaken) of Mary after the crucifixition of Jesus

Brother J · Post by **Brother J** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 6:39 pm

Elveen wrote:What about the Harby #14?

it also follows in the footsteps of these comics...

http://www.comicvine.com/homage-covers/ ... es/&c=6977

ibreakhorses · Post by **ibreakhorses** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 7:12 pm

thePike wrote:
Elveen wrote:What about the Harby #14?
a spin from this classic statue (a Michealangelo if I'm not mistaken) of Mary after the crucifixition of Jesus

Beautiful!

IanAlexavier · Post by **IanAlexavier** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 7:15 pm

I like the VALIANT Armorines cover much better than the Acklame cover

betterthanezra · Post by **betterthanezra** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 7:19 pm

There both the same artist so I think they are both great....

different inker is all...

-Brian

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 7:45 pm

betterthanezra wrote:There both the same artist so I think they are both great....

different inker is all...

-Brian

Although I didn't really care for either version of Armorines, the art was pretty good. I think the Acclaim version may have been done just a little better too, IMO.

betterthanezra · Post by **betterthanezra** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 7:49 pm

Daniel Jackson wrote:
betterthanezra wrote:There both the same artist so I think they are both great....

different inker is all...

-Brian
Although I didn't really care for either version of Armorines, the art was pretty good. I think the Acclaim version may have been done just a little better too, IMO.

I think that the reason for this is simple the Calafiore art in the first Armorines book was nice but very house style like many of the books under Layton. The pencils on the pages are very sharp and crisp but when inked many of the sharp lines were curved to give it a certain look.

When Jim penciled the second Armorines book all the line work is there and inked like it's penciled sharp and thats why the art is so NICE in the first Armorines book. Layton and his house style handi-caped Jim more than any other artist IMOP.

-Brian

Xero · Post by **Xero** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 8:39 pm

Brother J wrote:
Elveen wrote:What about the Harby #14?
it also follows in the footsteps of these comics...

http://www.comicvine.com/homage-covers/ ... es/&c=6977

sheesh that's a ton of similar covers.

Jaknife · Post by **Jaknife** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 10:11 pm

no kidding, seemed like it went on forever.

TKWill · Post by **TKWill** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 11:34 pm

Brother J wrote:
Elveen wrote:What about the Harby #14?
it also follows in the footsteps of these comics...

http://www.comicvine.com/homage-covers/ ... es/&c=6977

I hate to be an *SQUEE*, but not quite, Bro. It is a direct rip of the Pieta Virgin. The dominance of the female form to show the frailty of the Mags Jesus character is the defining characteristic of the Pieta. As you can see in both of them, the female from is about 20-30% larger than the male. The covers on that link are not really similar in any way, where the female form is uncharacteristically large. Interesting side note, the left index finger of the Pieta has been broken several times and has been epoxied back on.

Not trying to be a *SQUEE*. Just making a correction. I feel like Mota.

magnusr · Post by **magnusr** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 12:27 am

Brother J wrote:
Elveen wrote:What about the Harby #14?
it also follows in the footsteps of these comics...

http://www.comicvine.com/homage-covers/ ... es/&c=6977

Just gotta go through the galleries of that site. I did find Harbinger 14 in there.

/Magnus

magnusr · Post by **magnusr** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 12:29 am

betterthanezra wrote:I think that the reason for this is simple the Calafiore art in the first Armorines book was nice but very house style like many of the books under Layton. The pencils on the pages are very sharp and crisp but when inked many of the sharp lines were curved to give it a certain look.

When Jim penciled the second Armorines book all the line work is there and inked like it's penciled sharp and thats why the art is so NICE in the first Armorines book. Layton and his house style handi-caped Jim more than any other artist IMOP.

-Brian

Oh yes. Already in VH1 Calafiore's art stod out, but in VH2 it was allowed in full bloom. But the Armorines VH2 1 cover suffers from the coloring I think. Armorines 0 is slightly nicer.

/Magnus