Dynamic Forces is VIP.

magnusr · Post by **magnusr** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 2:23 am

X-O HoboJoe wrote:Right, and I'm banging the Olsen twins . . . again!

Another thread turned gay... again!

http://www.olsen-brothers.dk/index_uk.htm

/Magnus

(or might there be some other Olsens over there?)

jedimarley · Post by **jedimarley** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 5:49 am

GJB wrote:
jedimarley wrote:
GJB wrote:BTW, pre season #18, what do you think?
Looks good.

Going to any games this season?
Yep, Buffalo for starters. Tickets are purchased and confirmed. What about you?

FI and Purdue. Going up for Notre Dame....But just to tail-gate.

GJB · Post by **GJB** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 8:14 am

jedimarley wrote:
GJB wrote:
jedimarley wrote:
GJB wrote:BTW, pre season #18, what do you think?
Looks good.

Going to any games this season?
Yep, Buffalo for starters. Tickets are purchased and confirmed. What about you?
FI and Purdue. Going up for Notre Dame....But just to tail-gate.

We may be doing the same for ND. I'll let you know if it works out and maybe we can meet up.

God knows it would be about time we did.

greg · Post by **greg** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 9:55 am

magnusr wrote:
X-O HoboJoe wrote:Right, and I'm banging the Olsen twins . . . again!

Another thread turned gay... again!

http://www.olsen-brothers.dk/index_uk.htm

/Magnus

(or might there be some other Olsens over there?)

Google turns up a different pair, but Magnus does have a point...
we don't know who X-O Hobojoe was talking about.

mobstirr · Post by **mobstirr** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 10:36 am

greg wrote:
magnusr wrote:
X-O HoboJoe wrote:Right, and I'm banging the Olsen twins . . . again!

Another thread turned gay... again!

http://www.olsen-brothers.dk/index_uk.htm

/Magnus

(or might there be some other Olsens over there?)

Google turns up a different pair, but Magnus does have a point...
we don't know who X-O Hobojoe was talking about.

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 10:48 am

Hobo, you got some 'splainin' to do.....

jedimarley · Post by **jedimarley** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 7:53 pm

GJB wrote:
jedimarley wrote:
GJB wrote:
jedimarley wrote:
GJB wrote:BTW, pre season #18, what do you think?
Looks good.

Going to any games this season?
Yep, Buffalo for starters. Tickets are purchased and confirmed. What about you?
FI and Purdue. Going up for Notre Dame....But just to tail-gate.
We may be doing the same for ND. I'll let you know if it works out and maybe we can meet up.

God knows it would be about time we did.

Dude. LMK. We're going to tail gate till the game starts then go down town to watch the game.

k_c_collectibles · Post by **k_c_collectibles** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 9:10 pm

Bringing this thread back to where it started...

Here is what I posted over on Newsarama about Dynamic Forces being VIP:

This is all VERY interesting stuff. I personally hope that Valiant Entertainment comes up with the trademarks as they already own the copyrights. That is the only way that I can see the real Valiant characters that I enjoyed reading back in the the '90s again.

No offense to VIP, but there is no way in hell I am going to buy a Harbinger book unless it has Zeph, Sting, Flamingo, etc in it. The same with Ninjak, Eternal Warrior, Rai & the Future Force and Bloodshot. I am not buying any of these books unless they contain the versions fo the characters from back in the day - not new concepts with the same name.

Personally, I could care less about Punx, Deathmate or the Outcast. They were not part of the regular Valiant continuity so they really would not be missed in my opinion.

I believe Secret Weapons is owned by George Lucas now so that trademark is a moot point.

As far as Dynamic Forces being VIP I have some more interesting stuff to add.

Does anyone remember this?

It was SUPPOSED to be released in December 2005, but mysteriously was not... It is listed on Dynamic Forces website as sold out.

http://www.dynamicforces.com/htmlfiles/p-C103704.html

Anyhoo - Bob Layton was asked on his website why it was never released. His reply was:

"Since the time I was initially contacted by Dynamic Forces about doing the Solar Litho, I have had absolutely no correspondence from them...whatsoever!

My past experiences with them were no good and this current one seems to be no exception to that unfortunate reality. I really didn't want to do anything for them, but my agent was very persuasive and assured me that they would act honorably this time around.

Oh, well...

On the good side, they did pay me for my services, so what they do with the art after I'm done is not my business. But I think some common courtesy on their part would have been nice. I was never informed by them that they had cancelled the Solar print...or given an explanation as to why it was discontinued. To this day, I have no idea what precipitated that decision by D.F."

Here is a link to his full response on his letters page:
http://www.boblayton.com/Archive/May%20 ... rspage.htm

I have a thought as to why the lithograph was cancelled. It contained characters that are copyrighted by Valiant Entertainment - notably Erica Pierce a.k.a Mothergod and Geoff McHenry a.k.a. the current day Geomancer. I also believe the alter ego of Solar Man of the Atom - Phil Seleski - was a Valiant only character and did not appear in the original Gold Key books. The lithograph was supposed to be base on the Gold Key character.

I believe this was Dynamic Force's (in my opinion also VIP) attempt to push the envelope and see how far that VEI would go to allow use of their trademarks and copyrights. If VEI did not fight the usage of their images then it would also give VIP more ammunition in their legal battle against VEI for the disputed trademarks.If they do not care about characters that they CLEARLY own all the rights to then why would they care about a few trademarks that are in dispute, right?

Bear in mind that this is all MY opinion and I have no connection at all to VEI or VIP nor am I a lawyer. I am just a a big fan of the original Valiant characters and want to see them in print again in their original form. Not the newly envisioned versions from the VIP ashcan.

Chris

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 10:27 pm

k_c_collectibles wrote:Personally, I could care less about Punx, Deathmate or the Outcast.

Yeah, if the judge has to award them something then let them have those.

Second_Death · Post by **Second_Death** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 12:05 pm

Nice comments at Newsarama, KC.

betterthanezra · Post by **betterthanezra** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 12:47 pm

Second_Death wrote:Nice comments at Newsarama, KC.

-Brian

Zero · Post by **Zero** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 1:32 pm

betterthanezra wrote:
Second_Death wrote:Nice comments at Newsarama, KC.
-Brian

Well done Chris!

yardstick · Post by **yardstick** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 3:08 pm

Dr. Solar wrote:Murky?!

2+2=red.

This is clear as tropical waters!

tropical waters are blue....

Dr. Solar · Post by **Dr. Solar** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 3:16 pm

yardstick wrote:
Dr. Solar wrote:Murky?!

2+2=red.

This is clear as tropical waters!
tropical waters are blue....

Exactly...

BTW, Nice Comments, KC.

yardstick · Post by **yardstick** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 7:31 am

X-O HoboJoe wrote:
jedimarley wrote:
greg wrote:This guy has a connection to VIP, but is not part of them.

I believe his loyalties are with this community until I see anything to think otherwise.

I hope that my actions over the past 2 1/2 years here have proven that my loyalties ARE and WILL ALWAYS be with this community and it's members (even those that are no longer here).

Yes. I have a connection to VIP. But I'm not a "Spy" for them. Nor am I a "Supporter" of them.

I support VE and all things Valiant. Always have....Always will.
Jedi's supposed to be a spy for vip?

Right, and I'm banging the Olsen twins . . . again!

I saw that movie....

j/k

yardstick · Post by **yardstick** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 7:35 am

ThrillKillWill wrote:
X-O HoboJoe wrote:
Daniel Jackson wrote:
X-O HoboJoe wrote:
Daniel Jackson wrote:
jedimarley wrote: I hope that my actions over the past 2 1/2 years here have proven that my loyalties ARE and WILL ALWAYS be with this community and it's members (even those that are no longer here).

Yes. I have a connection to VIP. But I'm not a "Spy" for them. Nor am I a "Supporter" of them.

I support VE and all things Valiant. Always have....Always will.
You don't have to answer of course, but what exactly is the connection?
Well, I was in chat with Dr. Solar then they just showed up at my door. The wife was into it so . . . badda-bing-badda-bam! Like Tommy Lee at a tea-bag festival, I was all over it.
You lost me after "well"....
It hadda be done . . .
This isn't on one of the episodes of your cable television show is it, Hobo?

Is it the one with the Olsen twins?

yardstick · Post by **yardstick** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 7:37 am

k_c_collectibles wrote:Bringing this thread back to where it started...

Here is what I posted over on Newsarama about Dynamic Forces being VIP:

This is all VERY interesting stuff. I personally hope that Valiant Entertainment comes up with the trademarks as they already own the copyrights. That is the only way that I can see the real Valiant characters that I enjoyed reading back in the the '90s again.

No offense to VIP, but there is no way in hell I am going to buy a Harbinger book unless it has Zeph, Sting, Flamingo, etc in it. The same with Ninjak, Eternal Warrior, Rai & the Future Force and Bloodshot. I am not buying any of these books unless they contain the versions fo the characters from back in the day - not new concepts with the same name.

Personally, I could care less about Punx, Deathmate or the Outcast. They were not part of the regular Valiant continuity so they really would not be missed in my opinion.

I believe Secret Weapons is owned by George Lucas now so that trademark is a moot point.

As far as Dynamic Forces being VIP I have some more interesting stuff to add.

Does anyone remember this?

It was SUPPOSED to be released in December 2005, but mysteriously was not... It is listed on Dynamic Forces website as sold out.

http://www.dynamicforces.com/htmlfiles/p-C103704.html

Anyhoo - Bob Layton was asked on his website why it was never released. His reply was:

"Since the time I was initially contacted by Dynamic Forces about doing the Solar Litho, I have had absolutely no correspondence from them...whatsoever!

My past experiences with them were no good and this current one seems to be no exception to that unfortunate reality. I really didn't want to do anything for them, but my agent was very persuasive and assured me that they would act honorably this time around.

Oh, well...

On the good side, they did pay me for my services, so what they do with the art after I'm done is not my business. But I think some common courtesy on their part would have been nice. I was never informed by them that they had cancelled the Solar print...or given an explanation as to why it was discontinued. To this day, I have no idea what precipitated that decision by D.F."

Here is a link to his full response on his letters page:
http://www.boblayton.com/Archive/May%20 ... rspage.htm

I have a thought as to why the lithograph was cancelled. It contained characters that are copyrighted by Valiant Entertainment - notably Erica Pierce a.k.a Mothergod and Geoff McHenry a.k.a. the current day Geomancer. I also believe the alter ego of Solar Man of the Atom - Phil Seleski - was a Valiant only character and did not appear in the original Gold Key books. The lithograph was supposed to be base on the Gold Key character.

I believe this was Dynamic Force's (in my opinion also VIP) attempt to push the envelope and see how far that VEI would go to allow use of their trademarks and copyrights. If VEI did not fight the usage of their images then it would also give VIP more ammunition in their legal battle against VEI for the disputed trademarks.If they do not care about characters that they CLEARLY own all the rights to then why would they care about a few trademarks that are in dispute, right?

Bear in mind that this is all MY opinion and I have no connection at all to VEI or VIP nor am I a lawyer. I am just a a big fan of the original Valiant characters and want to see them in print again in their original form. Not the newly envisioned versions from the VIP ashcan.

Chris

Notice where Solar's right hand is...

*SQUEE* · Post by ***SQUEE*** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 8:26 am

yardstick wrote:
k_c_collectibles wrote:Bringing this thread back to where it started...

Here is what I posted over on Newsarama about Dynamic Forces being VIP:

This is all VERY interesting stuff. I personally hope that Valiant Entertainment comes up with the trademarks as they already own the copyrights. That is the only way that I can see the real Valiant characters that I enjoyed reading back in the the '90s again.

No offense to VIP, but there is no way in hell I am going to buy a Harbinger book unless it has Zeph, Sting, Flamingo, etc in it. The same with Ninjak, Eternal Warrior, Rai & the Future Force and Bloodshot. I am not buying any of these books unless they contain the versions fo the characters from back in the day - not new concepts with the same name.

Personally, I could care less about Punx, Deathmate or the Outcast. They were not part of the regular Valiant continuity so they really would not be missed in my opinion.

I believe Secret Weapons is owned by George Lucas now so that trademark is a moot point.

As far as Dynamic Forces being VIP I have some more interesting stuff to add.

Does anyone remember this?

It was SUPPOSED to be released in December 2005, but mysteriously was not... It is listed on Dynamic Forces website as sold out.

http://www.dynamicforces.com/htmlfiles/p-C103704.html

Anyhoo - Bob Layton was asked on his website why it was never released. His reply was:

"Since the time I was initially contacted by Dynamic Forces about doing the Solar Litho, I have had absolutely no correspondence from them...whatsoever!

My past experiences with them were no good and this current one seems to be no exception to that unfortunate reality. I really didn't want to do anything for them, but my agent was very persuasive and assured me that they would act honorably this time around.

Oh, well...

On the good side, they did pay me for my services, so what they do with the art after I'm done is not my business. But I think some common courtesy on their part would have been nice. I was never informed by them that they had cancelled the Solar print...or given an explanation as to why it was discontinued. To this day, I have no idea what precipitated that decision by D.F."

Here is a link to his full response on his letters page:
http://www.boblayton.com/Archive/May%20 ... rspage.htm

I have a thought as to why the lithograph was cancelled. It contained characters that are copyrighted by Valiant Entertainment - notably Erica Pierce a.k.a Mothergod and Geoff McHenry a.k.a. the current day Geomancer. I also believe the alter ego of Solar Man of the Atom - Phil Seleski - was a Valiant only character and did not appear in the original Gold Key books. The lithograph was supposed to be base on the Gold Key character.

I believe this was Dynamic Force's (in my opinion also VIP) attempt to push the envelope and see how far that VEI would go to allow use of their trademarks and copyrights. If VEI did not fight the usage of their images then it would also give VIP more ammunition in their legal battle against VEI for the disputed trademarks.If they do not care about characters that they CLEARLY own all the rights to then why would they care about a few trademarks that are in dispute, right?

Bear in mind that this is all MY opinion and I have no connection at all to VEI or VIP nor am I a lawyer. I am just a a big fan of the original Valiant characters and want to see them in print again in their original form. Not the newly envisioned versions from the VIP ashcan.

Chris
Notice where Solar's right hand is...

And his left foot... Solar ruins my fun.

tarheelmarine · Post by **tarheelmarine** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 8:39 am

When did VEI ask DF to stop with this litho, and when did Lucas by the name Secret Weapons?

yardstick · Post by **yardstick** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 10:04 am

*SQUEE* wrote:
yardstick wrote:
k_c_collectibles wrote:Bringing this thread back to where it started...

Here is what I posted over on Newsarama about Dynamic Forces being VIP:

This is all VERY interesting stuff. I personally hope that Valiant Entertainment comes up with the trademarks as they already own the copyrights. That is the only way that I can see the real Valiant characters that I enjoyed reading back in the the '90s again.

No offense to VIP, but there is no way in hell I am going to buy a Harbinger book unless it has Zeph, Sting, Flamingo, etc in it. The same with Ninjak, Eternal Warrior, Rai & the Future Force and Bloodshot. I am not buying any of these books unless they contain the versions fo the characters from back in the day - not new concepts with the same name.

Personally, I could care less about Punx, Deathmate or the Outcast. They were not part of the regular Valiant continuity so they really would not be missed in my opinion.

I believe Secret Weapons is owned by George Lucas now so that trademark is a moot point.

As far as Dynamic Forces being VIP I have some more interesting stuff to add.

Does anyone remember this?

It was SUPPOSED to be released in December 2005, but mysteriously was not... It is listed on Dynamic Forces website as sold out.

http://www.dynamicforces.com/htmlfiles/p-C103704.html

Anyhoo - Bob Layton was asked on his website why it was never released. His reply was:

"Since the time I was initially contacted by Dynamic Forces about doing the Solar Litho, I have had absolutely no correspondence from them...whatsoever!

My past experiences with them were no good and this current one seems to be no exception to that unfortunate reality. I really didn't want to do anything for them, but my agent was very persuasive and assured me that they would act honorably this time around.

Oh, well...

On the good side, they did pay me for my services, so what they do with the art after I'm done is not my business. But I think some common courtesy on their part would have been nice. I was never informed by them that they had cancelled the Solar print...or given an explanation as to why it was discontinued. To this day, I have no idea what precipitated that decision by D.F."

Here is a link to his full response on his letters page:
http://www.boblayton.com/Archive/May%20 ... rspage.htm

I have a thought as to why the lithograph was cancelled. It contained characters that are copyrighted by Valiant Entertainment - notably Erica Pierce a.k.a Mothergod and Geoff McHenry a.k.a. the current day Geomancer. I also believe the alter ego of Solar Man of the Atom - Phil Seleski - was a Valiant only character and did not appear in the original Gold Key books. The lithograph was supposed to be base on the Gold Key character.

I believe this was Dynamic Force's (in my opinion also VIP) attempt to push the envelope and see how far that VEI would go to allow use of their trademarks and copyrights. If VEI did not fight the usage of their images then it would also give VIP more ammunition in their legal battle against VEI for the disputed trademarks.If they do not care about characters that they CLEARLY own all the rights to then why would they care about a few trademarks that are in dispute, right?

Bear in mind that this is all MY opinion and I have no connection at all to VEI or VIP nor am I a lawyer. I am just a a big fan of the original Valiant characters and want to see them in print again in their original form. Not the newly envisioned versions from the VIP ashcan.

Chris
Notice where Solar's right hand is...
And his left foot... Solar ruins my fun.

It does look like a tear in her clothing down there, doesnt it? Or is it like, when a woman's blouse is too small across the chest....

yardstick · Post by **yardstick** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 10:04 am

hey, waitaminit... I thought Erica Pierce was a blonde...

schi0249 · Post by **schi0249** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 11:19 am

Back in 2003 Lucasfilm registered the Secret Weapons trademark. Before that, They released a couple of games title Secret Weapons... For that matter, Zidd Davis publishing also holds a trademark for Secret Weapons.

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 1:53 pm

yardstick wrote:hey, waitaminit... I thought Erica Pierce was a blonde...

Naw, you're probably thinking of Gayle.

Second_Death · Post by **Second_Death** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 2:26 pm

tarheelmarine wrote:When did VEI ask DF to stop with this litho, and when did Lucas by the name Secret Weapons?

Don't recall any suggestion that VEI actually asked/demanded they stop. I assumed df knew they had to stop.

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 3:39 pm

I have said this all along. I got an insider scoop a long time ago and if I am proved wrong later, I will REALLY be surprised.