Dynamic Forces is VIP.

[Zero]

I'd provide a link to the USPTO site listing the status of VEI's trademark registration applications, but then it would just expire. If you go to www.uspto.gov then click
"Trademarks"
"Search"
"Basic Search"
Search Term: "Valiant Entertainment"
but make sure in the second (or third) drop down menu you select "Company Name"
Then hit "Enter"

That should get you the list.

Using Brian's instructions along with the search terms "Savage Tales" & "Harbinger" you get:

"Savage Tales Entertainment" trademark application.

"Owner (APPLICANT) Savage Tales Entertainment, LLC LTD LIAB CO DELAWARE P. O. Box 2207 Wilmington DELAWARE 19899
Attorney of Record Michael L. Lovitz, Esq."

"Harbinger" trademark application by VIP.

"Owner (APPLICANT) Valiant Intellectual Properties, LLC LTD LIAB CO DELAWARE P. O. Box 2207 Wilmington DELAWARE 19899
Attorney of Record Michael L. Lovitz, Esq."

Savage Tales Entertainment & Valiant Intellectual Properties both share the same PO Box & the same lawyer.

Dynamite Entertainment has a new comic by the name of Savage Tales out (currently on issue #2). Dynamic Forces owns Dynamite Entertainment.

http://www.dynamiteentertainment.com/ht ... Tales.html

It has been confirmed that the indicia in issue #1 of Savage Tales reads:

It says "Savage Tales TM and c Savage Tales Entertainment, LLC"...

as requested (from Savage Tales #1):

I contend that Dynamic Forces/Dynamite Entertainment owns both VIP & Savage Tales Entertainment. Anybody disagree?

[ckb]

Anybody disagree?

Wouldn't even consider it...

[X-O HoboJoe]

I'd provide a link to the USPTO site listing the status of VEI's trademark registration applications, but then it would just expire. If you go to www.uspto.gov then click
"Trademarks"
"Search"
"Basic Search"
Search Term: "Valiant Entertainment"
but make sure in the second (or third) drop down menu you select "Company Name"
Then hit "Enter"

That should get you the list.

Using Brian's instructions along with the search terms "Savage Tales" & "Harbinger" you get:

"Savage Tales Entertainment" trademark application.

"Owner (APPLICANT) Savage Tales Entertainment, LLC LTD LIAB CO DELAWARE P. O. Box 2207 Wilmington DELAWARE 19899
Attorney of Record Michael L. Lovitz, Esq."

"Harbinger" trademark application by VIP.

"Owner (APPLICANT) Valiant Intellectual Properties, LLC LTD LIAB CO DELAWARE P. O. Box 2207 Wilmington DELAWARE 19899
Attorney of Record Michael L. Lovitz, Esq."

Savage Tales Entertainment & Valiant Intellectual Properties both share the same PO Box & the same lawyer.

Dynamite Entertainment has a new comic by the name of Savage Tales out (currently on issue #2). Dynamic Forces owns Dynamite Entertainment.

http://www.dynamiteentertainment.com/ht ... Tales.html

It has been confirmed that the indicia in issue #1 of Savage Tales reads:

It says "Savage Tales TM and c Savage Tales Entertainment, LLC"...

as requested (from Savage Tales #1):

I contend that Dynamic Forces/Dynamite Entertainment owns both VIP & Savage Tales Entertainment. Anybody disagree?

I DISAGREE!

I'm wrong, but I'm in that kinda mood.

[Dr. Solar]

There seems to be a lot of conjecture in this argument, rather than hard proof.

I'm not saying that I disagree, just that I don't think this conclusively proves it.

I don't know enough about Dynamite Entertainment. Other small publishers are just that, publishers. They publish the work, but someone else owns the work (I believe this is how Image operates).

[StarBrand]

You guys are good, man.
I'm standing by to see how this topic plays out.

[ManofTheAtom]

I'll get the torches, someone else get the pitchforks...

[Brother J]

ok, even though I helped with this, I have to put this out there and see if it floats.

One thing I noticed is that Dynamite Entertainment is also registered, but when I looked it up, it's a totally different address in a totally different state. It's registered to a DFI in the comic and at the USPTO, it's listed as such...

Dynamite Entertainment, LLC Ashley Cobb LTD LIAB CO ILLINOIS 47 W. Polk Street Suite 100-283 Chicago ILLINOIS 60605

I think we have proved that the same people that are VIP are also Savage Tales Entertainment. However, it is possible (maybe unlikely, but possible) that "Savage Tales" was licensed by Dynamite from Savage Tales Entertainment, LLC.

In reality, it sure as heck looks like VIP is Dynamic Forces, but I'm not sure the proof is there 100%. Don't kill me guys!

[StarBrand]

What if a hundred of us emailed Dynamite and asked them if they're VIP? We may not get an honest answer, but it could be like a shot across the bow. Just a thought.

[Dr. Solar]

Just to follow up, these two companies, Valiant Intellectual Properties and Savage Tales Entertainment have the same address BECAUSE they have the same lawyer. That address that is registered with the trademarks is the address of the law firm that represents both:

http://www.cblh.com/offices

CONNOLLY BOVE LODGE & HUTZ LLP
1007 N. Orange St.
P.O. Box 2207
Wilmington, DE 19899

The only thing this proves is that the same lawyer represents both of these companies.

I am ready to bring the wrath and fury against VIP just as much as anyone else is, but we need definite proof, and we need to do our research. It would be very embarrassing for us, and to some degree, VEI, if we got up in arms towards Dynamic Forces just to find out we were wrong all along.

[Zero]

Just to follow up, these two companies, Valiant Intellectual Properties and Savage Tales Entertainment have the same address BECAUSE they have the same lawyer. That address that is registered with the trademarks is the address of the law firm that represents both:

http://www.cblh.com/offices

CONNOLLY BOVE LODGE & HUTZ LLP
1007 N. Orange St.
P.O. Box 2207
Wilmington, DE 19899

The only thing this proves is that the same lawyer represents both of these companies.

I am ready to bring the wrath and fury against VIP just as much as anyone else is, but we need definite proof, and we need to do our research. It would be very embarrassing for us, and to some degree, VEI, if we got up in arms towards Dynamic Forces just to find out we were wrong all along.

Very good points. Thank you for posting them.

[Darques_Emporium]

I agree. Dinamic Forces is the company that does the new Battlestar Galactica books and The Lone Ranger, yes? Just seems weird to me that they would have such high profile licences like that and would be interrested in the garbage that VIP is doing.

[Zero]

Don't kill me guys!

Not at all. It's just a discussion. I'm just hoping to generate some thought that might lead to who VIP really is.

I posted some info that Dr. Solar showed in about 30 seconds of searching that it was flawed. I still have my suspicions, but I agree that VIP could be anyone.

[Dr. Solar]

Very good points. Thank you for posting them.

Thanks for posting yours. Hopefully, with the combined might of this site, we'll get to the bottom of this.

And then we'll bring out the pitchforks.

[Dr. Solar]

I, in no way, think any of this means that Dynamic Forces is NOT vip.

It's still the best theory out there.

[StarBrand]

Very good points. Thank you for posting them.

Thanks for posting yours. Hopefully, with the combined might of this site, we'll get to the bottom of this.

And then we'll bring out the pitchforks.

I'm dusting my pitchfork off as we speak.

[myron]

thought provoking...thanks Erskine et al for the information...keep digging boys

[Cyberstrike]

I don't think Dynamite Entertainment is behind VIP most if not all their stuff is licensed properties, the only thing Savage Tales shares with VIP is the same lawyer.

So no I'm not convinced...yet.

[BrianT]

Just to follow up, these two companies, Valiant Intellectual Properties and Savage Tales Entertainment have the same address BECAUSE they have the same lawyer. That address that is registered with the trademarks is the address of the law firm that represents both:

http://www.cblh.com/offices

CONNOLLY BOVE LODGE & HUTZ LLP
1007 N. Orange St.
P.O. Box 2207
Wilmington, DE 19899

The only thing this proves is that the same lawyer represents both of these companies.

This was going to be my response.

And the "Dynamite Entertainment, LLC" posted earlier is completely unrelated to comic books. That has to do with live performances such as music and comedy. There is no DE company in comics; "Dynamite Entertainment" is a trademark used by Dynamic Forces, Inc. whose address is:
Dynamic Forces, Inc. CORPORATION NEW JERSEY 155 East Ninth Avenue, Suite E Runnemede NEW JERSEY 08033

DFI's attorney of record is Michael Lovitz, but I think we already knew that? Either way, VIP, Savage Tales, and DFI have used Lovitz.

Not that it really means anything either way, but neither the "Dynamite Entertainment" TM nor the "DF Dynamic Forces" TM were applied for at the same time as VIP's TM applications.

[Daniel Jackson]

What kills me is what do they honestly hope to gain by hiding in the shadows on this? If they feel that what they have done is right then they should stand behind it and be proud to put their names on it. Instead they cower behind their lawyer and don't want to stand up and face the music because they know that what they are doing is wrong. If they're hoping that this ugliness will all be forgotten when they release some books with ripped off Valiant names on them, they have another thing coming.

[schi0249]

I don't know enough about Dynamite Entertainment. Other small publishers are just that, publishers. They publish the work, but someone else owns the work (I believe this is how Image operates).

Judging by the legal speak at the bottom of Dynamite Entertainment's website, this sounds possible. It says "Dynamite, Dynamite Entertainment, and the Dynamite Entertainment logo are the TM and copywrite of D.F.I. All other books, titles, character names, slogans, logos, and related indicia are TM and copywrite their respective creators."

Maybe a dumb question, but does Dynamic Forces own Dynamite Entertainment? I remember Dynamite Entertainment started out publishing books through Devil's Due at first.

[BrianT]

What kills me is what do they honestly hope to gain by hiding in the shadows on this? If they feel that what they have done is right then they should stand behind it and be proud to put their names on it. Instead they cower behind their lawyer and don't want to stand up and face the music because they know that what they are doing is wrong. If they're hoping that this ugliness will all be forgotten when they release some books with ripped off Valiant names on them, they have another thing coming.

Not that I'm defending VIP, cause I'm not, but you're assuming that's why they aren't coming forward. I think it's common practice to not speak publicly about your company until it's ready to launch. For example, I, at least, have heard very little from the new owner of the Dreamwave assets. I don't believe Tales of Wonder spoke too much about their plans for the Chaos! characters. And, of course, VEI didn't make public comments until they were ready to launch their first book.

[BrianT]

I don't know enough about Dynamite Entertainment. Other small publishers are just that, publishers. They publish the work, but someone else owns the work (I believe this is how Image operates).

Judging by the legal speak at the bottom of Dynamite Entertainment's website, this sounds possible. It says "Dynamite, Dynamite Entertainment, and the Dynamite Entertainment logo are the TM and copywrite of D.F.I. All other books, titles, character names, slogans, logos, and related indicia are TM and copywrite their respective creators."

Maybe a dumb question, but does Dynamic Forces own Dynamite Entertainment? I remember Dynamite Entertainment started out publishing books through Devil's Due at first.

Dynamic Forces publishes comics under the "Dynamite Entertainment" name.

[schi0249]

OK thanks for that info. I'm not real familiar with Dynamic Forces.

[Daniel Jackson]

What kills me is what do they honestly hope to gain by hiding in the shadows on this? If they feel that what they have done is right then they should stand behind it and be proud to put their names on it. Instead they cower behind their lawyer and don't want to stand up and face the music because they know that what they are doing is wrong. If they're hoping that this ugliness will all be forgotten when they release some books with ripped off Valiant names on them, they have another thing coming.

Not that I'm defending VIP, cause I'm not, but you're assuming that's why they aren't coming forward. I think it's common practice to not speak publicly about your company until it's ready to launch. For example, I, at least, have heard very little from the new owner of the Dreamwave assets. I don't believe Tales of Wonder spoke too much about their plans for the Chaos! characters. And, of course, VEI didn't make public comments until they were ready to launch their first book.

Ah yes, but in the other cases they have acquired the properties the right way and have nothing to slink around about. Also, in the case of VEI, don't forget the reason they haven't been able to talk about anything is because of VIP.

[BrianT]

What kills me is what do they honestly hope to gain by hiding in the shadows on this? If they feel that what they have done is right then they should stand behind it and be proud to put their names on it. Instead they cower behind their lawyer and don't want to stand up and face the music because they know that what they are doing is wrong. If they're hoping that this ugliness will all be forgotten when they release some books with ripped off Valiant names on them, they have another thing coming.

Not that I'm defending VIP, cause I'm not, but you're assuming that's why they aren't coming forward. I think it's common practice to not speak publicly about your company until it's ready to launch. For example, I, at least, have heard very little from the new owner of the Dreamwave assets. I don't believe Tales of Wonder spoke too much about their plans for the Chaos! characters. And, of course, VEI didn't make public comments until they were ready to launch their first book.

Ah yes, but in the other cases they have acquired the properties the right way and have nothing to slink around about. Also, in the case of VEI, don't forget the reason they haven't been able to talk about anything is because of VIP.

Right, so they acquired the properties the "right way" and still remained silent. Therefore, there must have been a reason other than them having done something "wrong" for them to remain silent. My point is that the same reason could apply to VIP's silence. And because the reason VEI didn't speak publicly may have been because of the TM dispute is why I listed two other examples.