The 10 most important comic book of the 1990's

[Zero]

The argument can CERTAINLY be made that Solar, at the very least, was a far superior book to Harbinger. And this coming from a rabid Harbinger fan.

I agree. Although Harbinger from 1-25 was, IMO, the most 'fun' read throughout VH1, it's hard to argue that pre-Unity Magnus & Solar weren't superior. I'd have to say that the first 10 issues of Solar are the closest Valiant came to a masterpiece. ~Pete

[Jaknife]

harbinger never clicked for me, dont know why.

[ZephyrWasHOT!!]

The argument can CERTAINLY be made that Solar, at the very least, was a far superior book to Harbinger. And this coming from a rabid Harbinger fan.

I agree. Although Harbinger from 1-25 was, IMO, the most 'fun' read throughout VH1, it's hard to argue that pre-Unity Magnus & Solar weren't superior. I'd have to say that the first 10 issues of Solar are the closest VALIANT came to a masterpiece. ~Pete

I think I have to agree. Especially #0.

There are very few stories in comic that can TOUCH Solar #0. and then 1-10, in terms of continuity, cohesiveness, and "universe building."

Solar is the foundation of the entire Valiant universe. Always has been, always will be.

Harbinger is great....really...super fun....

But the case can very easily be made that Solar is the best work that Jim Shooter ever did.

[ZephyrWasHOT!!]

One of the most fundamental flaws of this list is the fact that it's based solely on market impact. It's based on how much of an impact these books made on the back issue market, which isn't why a list like this should be compiled. There are many other factors that go into "important", and "back issue value" is low on the list. It's why Harbinger #1 led the list, and not books like Superman #75 (which always should be at the top of this list...Superman #75 sent shockwaves through the ENTIRE INDUSTRY, the effects of which are still being felt today, nearly 15 years after the fact. The reasons have been much discussed.)

Watchmen is not an expensive set. Back issues can be had for very little relative dough.

Does that mean Watchmen is not important...?

I rest my case.

[cobra_commander]

Plus, there are all SORTS of factual errors in the article. Example: "When this book was first released it was a national sensation." This is false. Harbinger #1 was met with stony silence when it was released, much like Magnus #1 and Solar #1....it wasn't until right before Unity (ie, Harbinger #7, six MONTHS after the release of #1) that this book received a lot of attention, and THEN it was because it was the "rarest pre-Unity #1"...not because it was the best that VALIANT made. The argument can CERTAINLY be made that Solar, at the very least, was a far superior book to Harbinger. And this coming from a rabid Harbinger fan.

Simple proof will bear this out: orders for Harbinger were the lowest for ANY Pre-Unity book before Rai #3 and #4. Harbinger was not well received and, in fact, orders for Harbinger #4 place it at the 3rd least ordered pre-Unity book of all.

Yes, granted, there were the Greg Buls of the industry, who were among VALIANT's loudest advocates...but new publishers were nothing new, and Magnus and Solar hardly lit the world on fire sales wise. Most folks "in the industry" just thought Buls and Howard were a little nutty.

Many people, including people on this board, bought large boxes of Pre-Unity in January through March-ish of 1992 for half cover or less.

And, the article is full of many statements of opinion that are presented as fact: "The first story line ( Children of the Eighth Day) deserves to be uttered in the same breath as the masterpieces of the art form; Watchmen, Maus, Dark Knight Returns, etc.. "

If I can dig up my original debunking of this list, I will....

Yeah, dig it out if you can. The article's been posted a couple of times already...would be nice to hear an opposing opinion

[cobra_commander]

On a related note:

http://yourcomicsonline.com/newsletters/feb6-10.php

Most important comics of the 80's.

OK...now thats a f@cking proper list

[cobra_commander]

Great List

I have all of the top 10, and all the top 20 with the exception of Bone #1 and Lady Death #1.

I don't have either of those too..and its been 10 years already...how sad

[cobra_commander]

The argument can CERTAINLY be made that Solar, at the very least, was a far superior book to Harbinger. And this coming from a rabid Harbinger fan.

I agree. Although Harbinger from 1-25 was, IMO, the most 'fun' read throughout VH1, it's hard to argue that pre-Unity Magnus & Solar weren't superior. I'd have to say that the first 10 issues of Solar are the closest VALIANT came to a masterpiece. ~Pete

TOTALLY!!!!! agree

[cobra_commander]

Yeah, I recall this list being discussed last year. Without question, Superman #75 and Spawn #1 belong. As a matter of fact, they ARE the list. Not necessarily because they are good but because of what they did to the industry.

Exactly. And Harby #1 more important than X-Men #1 AND Supes #75 AND Spawn #1???

Um, no.

And Spiderman #1 not even on the LIST?

Yeah. I don't think so.

A book doesn't have to have a big print run to be important...

You're absolutely right...it doesn't. That's why Turok #1 belongs nowhere on the list (except maybe a list of infamy.)

However...the importance of Spiderman #1 has nothing whatsoever to do with its printrun.

Spiderman #1 is important because it was the first time in comics history that the popularity of an artist helped secure that artist (who had NO experience or credits as a writer) his own book to write...and not just his own book, but the flagship character of the entire company.

That led directly to the formation of Image. No Spiderman #1 = no Image.

A list of the most important comic books in the 90's?

Importance is the effect that these books had on the industry/ genre.

Spiderman 1/ X-men 1/ Supes 75 bringing in more fans (and speculators but thats par for the course) than ever to comics...thats less important than Harbinger #1??

What did Harbinger #1 do for the industry? It was a great story as part of probably the most important new comic companies ever. But its still a company that vanished far too soon and although important, man it can't compete.

Also...adjectiveless major Marvel titles!? Come one!!! You can't get bigger than that!

[The Flyattractor]

That list is crap.
Cause they didn't mention LOBO!!!
Best damn comic ever.
this side of Valiant anyway.

[Chiclo]

i thought the list was pretty good and it had two of my favorits in there x-o manowar and youngblood.

Wow. X-O Mangawar just got weirder.

That's cool. We value our... diversity.

[Zero]

i thought the list was pretty good and it had two of my favorits in there x-o manowar and youngblood.

Wow. X-O Mangawar just got weirder.

That's cool. We value our... diversity.

...we do?

[ZephyrWasHOT!!]

That list is crap.
Cause they didn't mention LOBO!!!
Best damn comic ever.
this side of VALIANT anyway.

You rock, man. You rock.

Hear, hear.

[Rufusharley]

Where's that raised eyebrow smiley....?

Where's the fishing for an argument smiley...?

I'm not fishing for anything, friend, because there's nothing to argue ABOUT in this article. The list is badly researched, full of errors, and opinions presented as fact. It is nothing but opinion, and not even well researched, debatable opinion. Opinion based on fact and research? That I have no problem with. Opinion based on personal taste and revised history? That's garbage.

Anyone EMBRACING that list might as well believe that the earth is flat, and the sun and stars revolve around it.

I have nothing against the guy who wrote the article; I wouldn't know him from Adam.

However...I DO have a problem with revisionist history, whatever it may be. Therefore, I'll dispute it, and question the judgement of those who accept it.

As for "fishing for an argument"....

It could be argued that you're arguing about arguments.

[siren3-4]

Where's that raised eyebrow smiley....?

Where's the fishing for an argument smiley...?

I'm not fishing for anything, friend, because there's nothing to argue ABOUT in this article. The list is badly researched, full of errors, and opinions presented as fact. It is nothing but opinion, and not even well researched, debatable opinion. Opinion based on fact and research? That I have no problem with. Opinion based on personal taste and revised history? That's garbage.

Anyone EMBRACING that list might as well believe that the earth is flat, and the sun and stars revolve around it.

I have nothing against the guy who wrote the article; I wouldn't know him from Adam.

However...I DO have a problem with revisionist history, whatever it may be. Therefore, I'll dispute it, and question the judgement of those who accept it.

As for "fishing for an argument"....

It could be argued that you're arguing about arguments.

Hopefully he doesn't argue with you about your argument that there is arguing about arguments going on . . . because that could arguably open up a wormhole that would destroy the universe . . .

[Rufusharley]

Where's that raised eyebrow smiley....?

Where's the fishing for an argument smiley...?

I'm not fishing for anything, friend, because there's nothing to argue ABOUT in this article. The list is badly researched, full of errors, and opinions presented as fact. It is nothing but opinion, and not even well researched, debatable opinion. Opinion based on fact and research? That I have no problem with. Opinion based on personal taste and revised history? That's garbage.

Anyone EMBRACING that list might as well believe that the earth is flat, and the sun and stars revolve around it.

I have nothing against the guy who wrote the article; I wouldn't know him from Adam.

However...I DO have a problem with revisionist history, whatever it may be. Therefore, I'll dispute it, and question the judgement of those who accept it.

As for "fishing for an argument"....

It could be argued that you're arguing about arguments.

Hopefully he doesn't argue with you about your argument that there is arguing about arguments going on . . . because that could arguably open up a wormhole that would destroy the universe . . .

Argue this!

(& smilely grabing his crotch)

[ZephyrWasHOT!!]

Where's that raised eyebrow smiley....?

Where's the fishing for an argument smiley...?

I'm not fishing for anything, friend, because there's nothing to argue ABOUT in this article. The list is badly researched, full of errors, and opinions presented as fact. It is nothing but opinion, and not even well researched, debatable opinion. Opinion based on fact and research? That I have no problem with. Opinion based on personal taste and revised history? That's garbage.

Anyone EMBRACING that list might as well believe that the earth is flat, and the sun and stars revolve around it.

I have nothing against the guy who wrote the article; I wouldn't know him from Adam.

However...I DO have a problem with revisionist history, whatever it may be. Therefore, I'll dispute it, and question the judgement of those who accept it.

As for "fishing for an argument"....

It could be argued that you're arguing about arguments.

Hopefully he doesn't argue with you about your argument that there is arguing about arguments going on . . . because that could arguably open up a wormhole that would destroy the universe . . .

If that hasn't happened by NOW, I'm sure we're arguably safe....

[cobra_commander]

Where's that raised eyebrow smiley....?

Where's the fishing for an argument smiley...?

I'm not fishing for anything, friend, because there's nothing to argue ABOUT in this article. The list is badly researched, full of errors, and opinions presented as fact. It is nothing but opinion, and not even well researched, debatable opinion. Opinion based on fact and research? That I have no problem with. Opinion based on personal taste and revised history? That's garbage.

Anyone EMBRACING that list might as well believe that the earth is flat, and the sun and stars revolve around it.

I have nothing against the guy who wrote the article; I wouldn't know him from Adam.

However...I DO have a problem with revisionist history, whatever it may be. Therefore, I'll dispute it, and question the judgement of those who accept it.

As for "fishing for an argument"....

It could be argued that you're arguing about arguments.

Hopefully he doesn't argue with you about your argument that there is arguing about arguments going on . . . because that could arguably open up a wormhole that would destroy the universe . . .

If that hasn't happened by NOW, I'm sure we're arguably safe....

Now you're getting posts off stuff thats not even a real argument! F@ck this I'll go in for a post here

[leonmallett]

Where's the fishing for an argument smiley...?

I'm not fishing for anything, friend, because there's nothing to argue ABOUT in this article. The list is badly researched, full of errors, and opinions presented as fact. It is nothing but opinion, and not even well researched, debatable opinion. Opinion based on fact and research? That I have no problem with. Opinion based on personal taste and revised history? That's garbage.

Anyone EMBRACING that list might as well believe that the earth is flat, and the sun and stars revolve around it.

I have nothing against the guy who wrote the article; I wouldn't know him from Adam.

However...I DO have a problem with revisionist history, whatever it may be. Therefore, I'll dispute it, and question the judgement of those who accept it.

As for "fishing for an argument"....

It could be argued that you're arguing about arguments.

Hopefully he doesn't argue with you about your argument that there is arguing about arguments going on . . . because that could arguably open up a wormhole that would destroy the universe . . .

If that hasn't happened by NOW, I'm sure we're arguably safe....

Now you're getting posts off stuff thats not even a real argument! F@ck this I'll go in for a post here

Anything for the post count.





<Posted with irony>

[SnotDrip]

On a related note:

http://yourcomicsonline.com/newsletters/feb6-10.php

Most important comics of the 80's.

yup a far better list

[ZephyrWasHOT!!]

On a related note:

http://yourcomicsonline.com/newsletters/feb6-10.php

Most important comics of the 80's.

yup a far better list

It's just well researched, well supported with evidence, not based on "market value", and devoid of emotion or bias.

The way all articles should be.

My kind of article.

[SnotDrip]

On a related note:

http://yourcomicsonline.com/newsletters/feb6-10.php

Most important comics of the 80's.

yup a far better list

It's just well researched, well supported with evidence, not based on "market value", and devoid of emotion or bias.

The way all articles should be.

My kind of article.

Agreed

Always like articles that lay out the criteria up front defining them from the get go. Well thought out...objectively that is

[ZephyrWasHOT!!]

Holy cow...I missed post #11,000!

[leonmallett]

Holy cow...I missed post #11,000!

Good work fella.

[pauls1688]

good for you man i have a while yet to go though.