The 10 most important comic book of the 1990's

Zaphod · Post by **Zaphod** » Sun Feb 25, 2007 10:31 pm

http://www.comicbookbin.com/reviews001.html

now this has probably already been posted and debated by you obsessive jackals

but I found it while browsing and thought it was interesting to note how well Valiant is represented in the list.

steverino · Post by **steverino** » Sun Feb 25, 2007 10:37 pm

List looks pretty accurate to me. I would only disagree with Authority #1. I don't think it should've made the top 20.

Elveen · Post by **Elveen** » Sun Feb 25, 2007 11:09 pm

So does anyone have all of these books?

cobra_commander · Post by **cobra_commander** » Sun Feb 25, 2007 11:16 pm

Can't see it I'm at work but I can tell you anyway straight off the top of my head...yes. Zeph has them all.

slym2none · Post by **slym2none** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 11:57 am

I have never read The Authority nor Astro City. And some of those I have only read via TPB (DareDevil, Bone) but I pretty much have all the others. Who doesn't have a Spawn #1 (or a dozen) in their long-boxes?

-slym (doesn't neccessarily agree with all the rankings)

Elveen · Post by **Elveen** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 12:18 pm

slym2none wrote:I have never read The Authority nor Astro City. And some of those I have only read via TPB (DareDevil, Bone) but I pretty much have all the others. Who doesn't have a Spawn #1 (or a dozen) in their long-boxes?

-slym (doesn't neccessarily agree with all the rankings)

Slym, you need to check out Astro City.

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 2:07 pm

MProyas wrote:http://www.comicbookbin.com/reviews001.html

now this has probably already been posted and debated by you obsessive jackals but I found it while browsing and thought it was interesting to note how well VALIANT is represented in the list.

Yeah, I pretty much trashed that list, and provided oodles of empirical evidence as to why.

It's fun, but it's certainly not researched or authorititative in any way.

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 2:19 pm

Plus, there are all SORTS of factual errors in the article. Example: "When this book was first released it was a national sensation." This is false. Harbinger #1 was met with stony silence when it was released, much like Magnus #1 and Solar #1....it wasn't until right before Unity (ie, Harbinger #7, six MONTHS after the release of #1) that this book received a lot of attention, and THEN it was because it was the "rarest pre-Unity #1"...not because it was the best that Valiant made. The argument can CERTAINLY be made that Solar, at the very least, was a far superior book to Harbinger. And this coming from a rabid Harbinger fan.

Simple proof will bear this out: orders for Harbinger were the lowest for ANY Pre-Unity book before Rai #3 and #4. Harbinger was not well received and, in fact, orders for Harbinger #4 place it at the 3rd least ordered pre-Unity book of all.

Yes, granted, there were the Greg Buls of the industry, who were among Valiant's loudest advocates...but new publishers were nothing new, and Magnus and Solar hardly lit the world on fire sales wise. Most folks "in the industry" just thought Buls and Howard were a little nutty.

Many people, including people on this board, bought large boxes of Pre-Unity in January through March-ish of 1992 for half cover or less.

And, the article is full of many statements of opinion that are presented as fact: "The first story line ( Children of the Eighth Day) deserves to be uttered in the same breath as the masterpieces of the art form; Watchmen, Maus, Dark Knight Returns, etc.. "

If I can dig up my original debunking of this list, I will....

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 2:19 pm

cobra_commander wrote:Can't see it I'm at work but I can tell you anyway straight off the top of my head...yes. Zeph has them all.

Yeah. I do.

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 2:22 pm

On a related note:

http://yourcomicsonline.com/newsletters/feb6-10.php

Most important comics of the 80's.

Second_Death · Post by **Second_Death** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 3:54 pm

Yeah, I recall this list being discussed last year. Without question, Superman #75 and Spawn #1 belong. As a matter of fact, they ARE the list. Not necessarily because they are good but because of what they did to the industry.

pauls1688 · Post by **pauls1688** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 4:58 pm

i thought the list was pretty good and it had two of my favorits in there x-o manowar and youngblood.

muzzsucker · Post by **muzzsucker** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 7:50 pm

Great List

tssgery · Post by **tssgery** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 7:53 pm

muzzsucker wrote:Great List

I have all of the top 10, and all the top 20 with the exception of Bone #1 and Lady Death #1.

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 8:31 pm

Second_Death wrote:Yeah, I recall this list being discussed last year. Without question, Superman #75 and Spawn #1 belong. As a matter of fact, they ARE the list. Not necessarily because they are good but because of what they did to the industry.

Exactly. And Harby #1 more important than X-Men #1 AND Supes #75 AND Spawn #1???

Um, no.

And Spiderman #1 not even on the LIST?

Yeah. I don't think so.

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 8:34 pm

Where's that raised eyebrow smiley....?

muzzsucker · Post by **muzzsucker** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 8:45 pm

ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:
Second_Death wrote:Yeah, I recall this list being discussed last year. Without question, Superman #75 and Spawn #1 belong. As a matter of fact, they ARE the list. Not necessarily because they are good but because of what they did to the industry.
Exactly. And Harby #1 more important than X-Men #1 AND Supes #75 AND Spawn #1???

Um, no.

And Spiderman #1 not even on the LIST?

Yeah. I don't think so.

A book doesn't have to have a big print run to be important...

muzzsucker · Post by **muzzsucker** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 8:46 pm

ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:Where's that raised eyebrow smiley....?

Where's the fishing for an argument smiley...?

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 8:52 pm

muzzsucker wrote:
ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:
Second_Death wrote:Yeah, I recall this list being discussed last year. Without question, Superman #75 and Spawn #1 belong. As a matter of fact, they ARE the list. Not necessarily because they are good but because of what they did to the industry.
Exactly. And Harby #1 more important than X-Men #1 AND Supes #75 AND Spawn #1???

Um, no.

And Spiderman #1 not even on the LIST?

Yeah. I don't think so.
A book doesn't have to have a big print run to be important...

You're absolutely right...it doesn't. That's why Turok #1 belongs nowhere on the list (except maybe a list of infamy.)

However...the importance of Spiderman #1 has nothing whatsoever to do with its printrun.

Spiderman #1 is important because it was the first time in comics history that the popularity of an artist helped secure that artist (who had NO experience or credits as a writer) his own book to write...and not just his own book, but the flagship character of the entire company.

That led directly to the formation of Image. No Spiderman #1 = no Image.

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 8:55 pm

muzzsucker wrote:
ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:Where's that raised eyebrow smiley....?
Where's the fishing for an argument smiley...?

I'm not fishing for anything, friend, because there's nothing to argue ABOUT in this article. The list is badly researched, full of errors, and opinions presented as fact. It is nothing but opinion, and not even well researched, debatable opinion. Opinion based on fact and research? That I have no problem with. Opinion based on personal taste and revised history? That's garbage.

Anyone EMBRACING that list might as well believe that the earth is flat, and the sun and stars revolve around it.

I have nothing against the guy who wrote the article; I wouldn't know him from Adam.

However...I DO have a problem with revisionist history, whatever it may be. Therefore, I'll dispute it, and question the judgement of those who accept it.

As for "fishing for an argument"....

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 9:24 pm

(is there something in the water this week....?)

depluto · Post by **depluto** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 9:27 pm

ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:(is there something in the water this week....?)

Oh, great, now you want to argue about the water! OK, poopyhead. Water is funny ... argue that!

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 9:30 pm

depluto wrote:
ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:(is there something in the water this week....?)
Oh, great, now you want to argue about the water! OK, poopyhead. Water is funny ... argue that!

SCREW YOU HIPPIE!!!

depluto · Post by **depluto** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 9:31 pm

OK, you win this round ...

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 9:40 pm

depluto wrote:OK, you win this round ...

MWAH HA HA HA HA....

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