Biggest VALIANT writing mistake

[Elveen]

IYO, what was the biggest VALIANT mistake that was made in the books?

So I'm not talking aobut axing Shooter, or BWS leaving, or selling the company... but bad writing decisions.

I'll start...

A&A only 26 issues!

Who else had a comic about an old fat drunk guy and a sheltered naive kid... they were not heroes, they just went place to place and... adventure followed them

I loved the banter, Aram telling us he made Stonehedge because he was drunk... stuff like that. That you could have A&A in the same universe as Solar, XO, Bloodshot, and Harada was cool.

I mean come on.... they had the Sisters of Doom!

How did they decided to quit A&A, but have the Psi-Lords instead?

[dantheman]

How about Birthquake

[betterthanezra]

How about getting Ron Marz to write X-O.....



-Brian

[jedimarley]

Fabian Nicieza

[Daniel Jackson]

Having Giffen write for Magnus.

[betterthanezra]

Fabian Nicieza

Thats Acclaim and I'm sure isn't what they were refering to Frank

-Brian

[dac55]

IYO, what was the biggest VALIANT mistake that was made in the books?

So I'm not talking aobut axing Shooter, or BWS leaving, or selling the company... but bad writing decisions.

I'll start...

A&A only 26 issues!

Who else had a comic about an old fat drunk guy and a sheltered naive kid... they were not heroes, they just went place to place and... adventure followed them

I loved the banter, Aram telling us he made Stonehedge because he was drunk... stuff like that. That you could have A&A in the same universe as Solar, XO, Bloodshot, and Harada was cool.

I mean come on.... they had the Sisters of Doom!

How did they decided to quit A&A, but have the Psi-Lords instead?

Hay I love A & A. They are funny books. A lot of good light stories Elveen.
My 2 cents.
They should have Quit wrighting the stories for at leased the last 10 issues
of each books. Most of them are terrible.

David

[jedimarley]

Fabian Nicieza

Thats Acclaim and I'm sure isn't what they were refering to Frank

-Brian

Didn't "Fab" write some *SQUEE* for valiant heros?

[Heath]

How about getting Ron Marz to write X-O.....


-Brian

Bingo! That gets my vote without even having to give it much thought.

In second place, I would say getting Mike Barron to write... just about anything he wrote for Valiant.

[betterthanezra]

Fabian Nicieza

Thats Acclaim and I'm sure isn't what they were refering to Frank

-Brian

Didn't "Fab" write some *SQUEE* for VALIANT heros?

Nope....X-O/Iron man......But NO VH-1

-Brian

[jedimarley]

Fabian Nicieza

Thats Acclaim and I'm sure isn't what they were refering to Frank

-Brian

Didn't "Fab" write some *SQUEE* for VALIANT heros?

Nope....X-O/Iron man......But NO VH-1

-Brian

I didn't know we were just talking about VH-1.

VH1, 2, and 3 are all valiant to me.

[betterthanezra]

Fabian Nicieza

Thats Acclaim and I'm sure isn't what they were refering to Frank

-Brian

Didn't "Fab" write some *SQUEE* for VALIANT heros?

Nope....X-O/Iron man......But NO VH-1

-Brian

I didn't know we were just talking about VH-1.

VH1, 2, and 3 are all VALIANT to me.

I hear ya....there are differences in all three....enough that I don't consider them all VALIANT. I just think a TON of *SQUEE* is dumped on Fabian unfairly....he did the best he could with what he had....which at the time of the industry wasn't much to work with IMO.

-Brian

[400yrs]

IYO, what was the biggest VALIANT mistake that was made in the books?

Not the biggest, but making Zephyr the character of focus for a few issues of Harby was a big writing mistake. 2 issues of that crap and I said, "I ain't buying this *SQUEE* anymore." Never returned. Don't know how it ended.

[Heath]

I didn't know we were just talking about VH-1.

VH1, 2, and 3 are all VALIANT to me.

Not to me. There's Valiant. And there's Acclaim. Two distinct entities. And instead of using VH1, VH2, and VH3, we should be using Valiant, AH1, & AH2 (AH= Acclaim Heroes). Or just V, A1, & A2.

There was some good stuff in Acclaim's comics. I won't deny that. But it's not Valiant.

[betterthanezra]

I didn't know we were just talking about VH-1.

VH1, 2, and 3 are all VALIANT to me.

Not to me. There's VALIANT. And there's Acclaim. Two distinct entities. And instead of using VH1, VH2, and VH3, we should be using VALIANT, AH1, & AH2 (AH= Acclaim Heroes). Or just V, A1, & A2.

There was some good stuff in Acclaim's comics. I won't deny that. But it's not VALIANT.

I don't think we should change anything interms of translation. During that period it was called VH-1 & VH-2 by the companey. I think changing it now would just confuse more people.

-Brian

[Daniel Jackson]

I didn't know we were just talking about VH-1.

VH1, 2, and 3 are all VALIANT to me.

Not to me. There's VALIANT. And there's Acclaim. Two distinct entities. And instead of using VH1, VH2, and VH3, we should be using VALIANT, AH1, & AH2 (AH= Acclaim Heroes). Or just V, A1, & A2.

There was some good stuff in Acclaim's comics. I won't deny that. But it's not VALIANT.

I don't think we should change anything interms of translation. During that period it was called VH-1 & VH-2 by the companey. I think changing it now would just confuse more people.

-Brian

I think it would too, just leave it the way it is.

[Elveen]

IYO, what was the biggest VALIANT mistake that was made in the books?

Not the biggest, but making Zephyr the character of focus for a few issues of Harby was a big writing mistake. 2 issues of that crap and I said, "I ain't buying this *SQUEE* anymore." Never returned. Don't know how it ended.

Yes, that always puzzled me also.... ,

Zephyr was the character I was least interested in.. even Flamingo would have been better, or how about a new interesting character.... and Harby always worked for me because the kids were renegrade...

I'm with 4 hun on this one

[Heath]

I didn't know we were just talking about VH-1.

VH1, 2, and 3 are all VALIANT to me.

Not to me. There's VALIANT. And there's Acclaim. Two distinct entities. And instead of using VH1, VH2, and VH3, we should be using VALIANT, AH1, & AH2 (AH= Acclaim Heroes). Or just V, A1, & A2.

There was some good stuff in Acclaim's comics. I won't deny that. But it's not VALIANT.

I don't think we should change anything interms of translation. During that period it was called VH-1 & VH-2 by the companey. I think changing it now would just confuse more people.

-Brian

I think it would too, just leave it the way it is.

I wasn't making a suggestion as much as just blabbering my own meaningless personal opinion.

[Daniel Jackson]

I didn't know we were just talking about VH-1.

VH1, 2, and 3 are all VALIANT to me.

Not to me. There's VALIANT. And there's Acclaim. Two distinct entities. And instead of using VH1, VH2, and VH3, we should be using VALIANT, AH1, & AH2 (AH= Acclaim Heroes). Or just V, A1, & A2.

There was some good stuff in Acclaim's comics. I won't deny that. But it's not VALIANT.

I don't think we should change anything interms of translation. During that period it was called VH-1 & VH-2 by the companey. I think changing it now would just confuse more people.

-Brian

I think it would too, just leave it the way it is.

I wasn't making a suggestion as much as just blabbering my own meaningless personal opinion.

No problem, it's just that this has been a sore spot with some people for years. There's a few old posts buried somewhere around here that talk about it. I'm not sure if we took a poll then or not.

[jedimarley]

I didn't know we were just talking about VH-1.

VH1, 2, and 3 are all VALIANT to me.

Not to me. There's VALIANT. And there's Acclaim. Two distinct entities. And instead of using VH1, VH2, and VH3, we should be using VALIANT, AH1, & AH2 (AH= Acclaim Heroes). Or just V, A1, & A2.

There was some good stuff in Acclaim's comics. I won't deny that. But it's not VALIANT.

I don't think we should change anything interms of translation. During that period it was called VH-1 & VH-2 by the companey. I think changing it now would just confuse more people.

-Brian

So VH2 started when....Birthquake?

[400yrs]

I didn't know we were just talking about VH-1.

VH1, 2, and 3 are all VALIANT to me.

Not to me. There's VALIANT. And there's Acclaim. Two distinct entities. And instead of using VH1, VH2, and VH3, we should be using VALIANT, AH1, & AH2 (AH= Acclaim Heroes). Or just V, A1, & A2.

There was some good stuff in Acclaim's comics. I won't deny that. But it's not VALIANT.

I don't think we should change anything interms of translation. During that period it was called VH-1 & VH-2 by the companey. I think changing it now would just confuse more people.

-Brian

So VH2 started when....Birthquake?

My VH2 or A1 or M1 (massarsky 1) started either after shooter left or after bws left. Depends on how I feel on a certain day. It's all a matter of opinion anyway.

[betterthanezra]

I didn't know we were just talking about VH-1.

VH1, 2, and 3 are all VALIANT to me.

Not to me. There's VALIANT. And there's Acclaim. Two distinct entities. And instead of using VH1, VH2, and VH3, we should be using VALIANT, AH1, & AH2 (AH= Acclaim Heroes). Or just V, A1, & A2.

There was some good stuff in Acclaim's comics. I won't deny that. But it's not VALIANT.

I don't think we should change anything interms of translation. During that period it was called VH-1 & VH-2 by the companey. I think changing it now would just confuse more people.

-Brian

So VH2 started when....Birthquake?

VH-2 in my opinion started with X-O Manowar #1 VOL. 2....thats the way I always looked at it.

-Brian

[jedimarley]

I didn't know we were just talking about VH-1.

VH1, 2, and 3 are all VALIANT to me.

Not to me. There's VALIANT. And there's Acclaim. Two distinct entities. And instead of using VH1, VH2, and VH3, we should be using VALIANT, AH1, & AH2 (AH= Acclaim Heroes). Or just V, A1, & A2.

There was some good stuff in Acclaim's comics. I won't deny that. But it's not VALIANT.

I don't think we should change anything interms of translation. During that period it was called VH-1 & VH-2 by the companey. I think changing it now would just confuse more people.

-Brian

So VH2 started when....Birthquake?

VH-2 in my opinion started with X-O Manowar #1 VOL. 2....thats the way I always looked at it.

-Brian

To me it's all valiant. VH1. VH2. And VH3. The only difference is the owners. And when someone post what you think is the worst writing in valiant I'm going to look at all 3.

[400yrs]

I didn't know we were just talking about VH-1.

VH1, 2, and 3 are all VALIANT to me.

Not to me. There's VALIANT. And there's Acclaim. Two distinct entities. And instead of using VH1, VH2, and VH3, we should be using VALIANT, AH1, & AH2 (AH= Acclaim Heroes). Or just V, A1, & A2.

There was some good stuff in Acclaim's comics. I won't deny that. But it's not VALIANT.

I don't think we should change anything interms of translation. During that period it was called VH-1 & VH-2 by the companey. I think changing it now would just confuse more people.

-Brian

So VH2 started when....Birthquake?

VH-2 in my opinion started with X-O Manowar #1 VOL. 2....thats the way I always looked at it.

-Brian

To me it's all VALIANT. VH1. VH2. And VH3. The only difference is the owners. And when someone post what you think is the worst writing in VALIANT I'm going to look at all 3.

I agree. It's pretty much the same characters and similar concepts so it's all valiant.

Nice sig btw. Whet has some awesome quotes........................ Are you staring at my anus?

[betterthanezra]

I didn't know we were just talking about VH-1.

VH1, 2, and 3 are all VALIANT to me.

Not to me. There's VALIANT. And there's Acclaim. Two distinct entities. And instead of using VH1, VH2, and VH3, we should be using VALIANT, AH1, & AH2 (AH= Acclaim Heroes). Or just V, A1, & A2.

There was some good stuff in Acclaim's comics. I won't deny that. But it's not VALIANT.

I don't think we should change anything interms of translation. During that period it was called VH-1 & VH-2 by the companey. I think changing it now would just confuse more people.

-Brian

So VH2 started when....Birthquake?

VH-2 in my opinion started with X-O Manowar #1 VOL. 2....thats the way I always looked at it.

-Brian

To me it's all VALIANT. VH1. VH2. And VH3. The only difference is the owners. And when someone post what you think is the worst writing in VALIANT I'm going to look at all 3.

I'm not trying to change your mind Frank....we all have our own ways of looking at the Valiant Universe NO matter what period or Universe were talking about.

-Brian