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ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 7:49 pm

ryostar wrote:NO $#%@ about the rat chew. Shouldn't you go back to the cgc boards & spout off your CGG missinformation?

Oh...I notice you also didn't answer any of my questions re: CGG's professional staff.

ryostar · Post by **ryostar** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 8:36 pm

Very thick.. I know it wasn't chewed by rats. It should never have been graded a 9.6 ,out of the 100+ I've seen like this ,it's the worst one. Why would I tell you about their staff? how do I know? CGC troll.

ryostar · Post by **ryostar** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 8:39 pm

"Also...who is CGG? Who's on their staff? Who are their restoration experts? " People who are great graders, a great NEW reto guy ,An owner with a great product & who doesn't break under CGC's lawyers harasment!

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 9:19 pm

ryostar wrote:Very thick.. I know it wasn't chewed by rats. It should never have been graded a 9.6 ,out of the 100+ I've seen like this ,it's the worst one. Why would I tell you about their staff? how do I know? CGC troll.

<laughs>....you're making the wrong moves REALLY fast, young one. I'd rethink if I were you.

I never said the book deserved a 9.6, neither am I a 'CGC troll' or apologist (look it up). I corrected your misunderstanding of the characteristics of this particular book.

Simple.

Now, before you run off half cocked....as it were....I'd rethink the idea of making assumptions about people based on a few posts.

And about their staff? Um....if I were to have surgery, I'd want to meet the doctor FIRST to see if I felt comfortable with their skill and bedside manner.

If you are sending your valuable books in to total strangers....wouldn't YOU want to know a little about them?

I know, I KNOW...SILLY! They should be taken at their word, whatever it is, cause....well....they're CGG!

Now where the HELL did PeterParker go?

ryostar · Post by **ryostar** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 9:27 pm

I did not misunderstand the characteristics of this particular book. Again :I've seen 100+ of these books, all have the rough cut, This one Looks "LIKE" a rat chewed it. Next post I will talk real slow ..OLD one.

I've been a REAL dealer for over 20 years. Now lets all be friends!

ryostar · Post by **ryostar** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 9:29 pm

"And about their staff? Um....if I were to have surgery, I'd want to meet the doctor FIRST to see if I felt comfortable with their skill and bedside manner.

If you are sending your valuable books in to total strangers....wouldn't YOU want to know a little about them? "

Hmmm... check their web site. OR... CALL them!

541-341-1230 ask for dan.

ryostar · Post by **ryostar** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 9:33 pm

ckb wrote:I find this really hard to swallow. Not doubting you, but of the over 200 CGC Valiants (not a typo) that I have had slabbed, they ravaged the ones with defects like this. 8.5s, 9.2s.

Dino bought a CEOG from me, an 8.5, that he cracked open to see the minute bend on the front cover corner that disappeared inside the case. He also bought a Dr Mirage 1 gold 9.2, where the only visible defect was a small, single color breaking transverse spine crease.

They kicked books in a 9.6 prescreen I had done with the slightest of defects. Slight cracking on the spine. A worse than average bindery tear. Even faint impressions left by those rotten ultra-pro holders with the thick flaps.

The whole set of 9.6s and 9.8s I currently have all look about mint to me. If any of you have took a close look at the 9.6 and 9.8s I've sold to you recently, I'd like it if you chimed in.

Sometimes I think the slabbing process or shipping causes things to happen in the slab.

here is where I first got miffed. Oh! cgc is perfect! It must be shipping or slab damage! NO it is when you get their graders who CANT grade! THE END

ryostar · Post by **ryostar** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 9:36 pm

Sorry ,Zeph . I'M just wary of the CGC trolls that are everywhere...

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 9:38 pm

ryostar wrote:"Also...who is CGG? Who's on their staff? Who are their restoration experts? " People who are great graders, a great NEW reto guy ,An owner with a great product & who doesn't break under CGC's lawyers harasment!

And they are....? And their experience is....? And their credentials are.....?

CGC has Steve Borock, a respected grader as 'boss', worked closely with Arnold Blumberg and Bob Overstreet, pro graders Mark Haspel and Paul Litch, restoration guru Chris Friesen who trained with and under Matt Nelson (one of the 'Big Two' in the US in terms of restoration experts....the other being Susan Cicconi)...

....and a whole host of nationally known dealers (regardless of whether you respect THEIR grading) who are charter members....they also are part of the same company that has been the #2 most respected COIN grader for nearly 20 years.

They not only have names....they have history, experience, and the money to do things correctly.

Now...who is CGG, who's on their staff, who are their restoration experts?

Again...before you get prissy and think this is an endorsement of CGC.....it's not. I present the information as EVIDENCE...CGC has their names, they state who they are, they're very clear about all of that.

CGG doesn't.

Who would you trust?

If and when CGG cleans up their act (grading restored books as unrestored) and becomes a lot more public about who they are, where they came from, who their backing is, etc etc etc....then I'll concede your point....whatever it is....

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 9:41 pm

ryostar wrote:"And about their staff? Um....if I were to have surgery, I'd want to meet the doctor FIRST to see if I felt comfortable with their skill and bedside manner.

If you are sending your valuable books in to total strangers....wouldn't YOU want to know a little about them? "

Hmmm... check their web site. OR... CALL them! 541-341-1230 ask for dan.

They don't even have an 800 number? Yeesh.

ryostar · Post by **ryostar** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 9:44 pm

I guess I'm just for the little guy

who just starts with a great idea & commited to pushing quality for all grading companys. Not a shady big$$ coin grading co. who was caught grading their own coins

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 9:46 pm

ryostar wrote:I did not misunderstand the characteristics of this particular book. Again :I've seen 100+ of these books, all have the rough cut, This one Looks "LIKE" a rat chewed it. Next post I will talk real slow ..OLD one. I've been a REAL dealer for over 20 years. Now lets all be friends!

OHHHHHH...why didn't you say so? You're one of those ancient guys who dealt in comics when 'Good-Fine-Mint' were the only grades.....NOW I understand....

Nevermind....

ryostar · Post by **ryostar** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 9:47 pm

ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:
ryostar wrote:"And about their staff? Um....if I were to have surgery, I'd want to meet the doctor FIRST to see if I felt comfortable with their skill and bedside manner.

If you are sending your valuable books in to total strangers....wouldn't YOU want to know a little about them? "

Hmmm... check their web site. OR... CALL them! 541-341-1230 ask for dan.
They don't even have an 800 number? Yeesh.

You're kidding right? Little guy company? They put all their $$ into the product. NOt 800 #s & getting all their forum pals drunk at every convention. :x

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 9:49 pm

ryostar wrote:I guess I'm just for the little guy who just starts with a great idea & commited to pushing quality for all grading companys. Not a shady big$$ coin grading co. who was caught grading their own coins

<rolls eyes>...NGC doesn't OWN any coins, they're a grading company. So, they couldn't have been 'caught grading their own coins'.

I have no problem with competition. Read my posts on other threads.

I DO have a problem with a company who doesn't compete correctly by (A) not knowing what restoration looks like, and (B) doesn't do anything to secure backing, support, and capital.

ryostar · Post by **ryostar** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 9:50 pm

ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:
ryostar wrote:I did not misunderstand the characteristics of this particular book. Again :I've seen 100+ of these books, all have the rough cut, This one Looks "LIKE" a rat chewed it. Next post I will talk real slow ..OLD one. I've been a REAL dealer for over 20 years. Now lets all be friends!

OHHHHHH...why didn't you say so? You're one of those ancient guys who dealt in comics when 'Good-Fine-Mint' were the only grades.....NOW I understand....

Nevermind....

No , I'm the guy who goes with what is the excepted grading scale. just read the Overstreet & tweak it a little for production flaws.

ryostar · Post by **ryostar** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 9:54 pm

ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:
ryostar wrote:I guess I'm just for the little guy who just starts with a great idea & commited to pushing quality for all grading companys. Not a shady big$$ coin grading co. who was caught grading their own coins
<rolls eyes>...NGC doesn't OWN any coins, they're a grading company. So, they couldn't have been 'caught grading their own coins'.

I have no problem with competition. Read my posts on other threads.

I DO have a problem with a company who doesn't compete correctly by (A) not knowing what restoration looks like, and (B) doesn't do anything to secure backing, support, and capital.

how do you KNOW? Becides what BS is spewed from the C

C foums. Their new resto guy is great! Has he missed anything ? No.

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 9:54 pm

ryostar wrote:
ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:
ryostar wrote:"And about their staff? Um....if I were to have surgery, I'd want to meet the doctor FIRST to see if I felt comfortable with their skill and bedside manner.

If you are sending your valuable books in to total strangers....wouldn't YOU want to know a little about them? "

Hmmm... check their web site. OR... CALL them! 541-341-1230 ask for dan.
They don't even have an 800 number? Yeesh.
You're kidding right? Little guy company? They put all their $$ into the product. NOt 800 #s & getting all their forum pals drunk at every convention. :x

Uh huh. <laughs>...They put all their $$ into the PRODUCT...uh huh....

Any company worth it's salt that wishes to do business on a national scale has an 800 number....so their customers don't have to PAY to call them.

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 9:55 pm

ryostar wrote:
ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:
ryostar wrote:I guess I'm just for the little guy who just starts with a great idea & commited to pushing quality for all grading companys. Not a shady big$$ coin grading co. who was caught grading their own coins
<rolls eyes>...NGC doesn't OWN any coins, they're a grading company. So, they couldn't have been 'caught grading their own coins'.

I have no problem with competition. Read my posts on other threads.

I DO have a problem with a company who doesn't compete correctly by (A) not knowing what restoration looks like, and (B) doesn't do anything to secure backing, support, and capital.

how do you KNOW? Becides what BS is spewed from the C C foums. Their new resto guy is great! Has he missed anything ? No.

The fact that they NEEDED a 'new resto guy' says more than what you're not.

ryostar · Post by **ryostar** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 9:57 pm

Any company worth it's salt that wishes to do business on a national scale has actual turnaround times close to what their site says. What is better? 2 week tunaround & a .10$ phone call or an 800 # + 5 month return?

ryostar · Post by **ryostar** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 9:59 pm

I think I'll take away my apology. You just can't get away from the cgc created BS. Good night.

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 10:00 pm

ryostar wrote:
ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:
ryostar wrote:I did not misunderstand the characteristics of this particular book. Again :I've seen 100+ of these books, all have the rough cut, This one Looks "LIKE" a rat chewed it. Next post I will talk real slow ..OLD one. I've been a REAL dealer for over 20 years. Now lets all be friends!

OHHHHHH...why didn't you say so? You're one of those ancient guys who dealt in comics when 'Good-Fine-Mint' were the only grades.....NOW I understand....

Nevermind....
No , I'm the guy who goes with what is the excepted grading scale. just read the Overstreet & tweak it a little for production flaws.

I have an acknowledgement credit in the Overstreet Grading Guide, 2nd edition, specifically because I helped massage the Grade Descriptions, and helped hash out what was....and was not...allowed in the uber high grades. Of course, this is my most noteworthy achievement in the comics field, but it's not too shabby.

So I'm guessing I know a thing or two about grading.

I dunno.

ryostar · Post by **ryostar** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 10:03 pm

THat makes you the best! The guy at terry's comics is an Overstreet adviser. he is the worst grader on the planet....

I dunno.

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 10:13 pm

ryostar wrote:I think I'll take away my apology. You just can't get away from the cgc created BS. Good night.

So my question is....what happened to make you so anti-CGC? Understand something.....I am not a CGC apologist, as I said before. I am professionally neutral. I have gotten into it with peopel who supported CGC blindly, without question. So, I'm not sure where you come up with 'CGC created BS' remarks. Don't sling epithets, give evidence.

But what happened to YOU to make you so angry (the 'BS' remarks)? Where's the evidence that CGC is overgrading on a consistent basis? A spiderman #300?

I've seen a whole lotta CGC books.....looked at them REAL close....and I just don't see what you're claiming.

Damage to the books after slabbing? Sure, anything's possible, and it would be a SERIOUS breach for CGC....but, hopefully they can fix it. It's in their best interests.

And...don't be silly with the 'I take my apology away'. Let's have a grown up debate with grown up conversation, huh?

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 10:15 pm

ryostar wrote:THat makes you the best! The guy at terry's comics is an Overstreet adviser. he is the worst grader on the planet....

I dunno.

You're confusing 'Overstreet advisor' (someone who 'advises' Overstreet on PRICING and MARKET CONDITIONS) with someone who worked on a SPECIFIC PROJECT for a SPECIFIC REASON (in this case, the Overstreet Grading Guide.)

And for the records...anyone who says they're an 'Overstreet Advisor', 9 times out of 10, cannot grade.

You have no argument with me on THAT point.

depluto · Post by **depluto** » Tue Aug 03, 2004 1:41 am

What's the price like for getting a comic graded by CGG?