Check out my Shadowman CGG 9.9!

ryostar · Post by **ryostar** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 1:16 pm

I thought it would be a 10 but you know CGG.. a little strict! Although strict is better than the way over graded crap I've bought on ebay CGC graded lately!

:x Here is the link (I hope!)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... RK:MESE:IT

greg · Post by **greg** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 1:24 pm

This might be just like a horserace!

Yours (CGG 9.9):
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 2260855807

Someone else's (CGC 9.8):
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 2260845694

Giddyup!

DawgPhan · Post by **DawgPhan** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 1:27 pm

isnt the line on CGG that they are a little tougher on moderns than CGC? If so this book might have pulled the ever elusive 10.0 and really been worth watching....Now I think that the CGG bias will win out and the cgc book will take it by a nose.

ryostar · Post by **ryostar** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 1:28 pm

I just checked the watch list , 42 people watching my listing!

ryostar · Post by **ryostar** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 1:33 pm

DawgPhan wrote:isnt the line on CGG that they are a little tougher on moderns than CGC? If so this book might have pulled the ever elusive 10.0 and really been worth watching....Now I think that the CGG bias will win out and the cgc book will take it by a nose.

I'm thinking CGC is getting too loose on grading books! I have a few that I'll never sell because I'd lose sleep from the guilt of someone buying such a overgraded POS!

DawgPhan · Post by **DawgPhan** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 1:41 pm

ryostar wrote:
DawgPhan wrote:isnt the line on CGG that they are a little tougher on moderns than CGC? If so this book might have pulled the ever elusive 10.0 and really been worth watching....Now I think that the CGG bias will win out and the cgc book will take it by a nose.
I'm thinking CGC is getting too loose on grading books! I have a few that I'll never sell because I'd lose sleep from the guilt of someone buying such a overgraded POS!

what books are they? If they are moderns I think that the line is that CGG grades a lot tighter on the moderns. If they are Gold or Silver then CGC has a sliding scale for those books...differnt strokes for different folks...

cause the world dont move to the beat of just ONE drum....
what might be right for you...may not be right for some....

ryostar · Post by **ryostar** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 1:49 pm

I bought 5 Valiant books in CGC 9.4 -9.8 all no better than 9.2 at best. corner blunting, several spine bends, etc... The 9.8 has a bend that breaks color! WTF! I also have a all star western #10 9.0 with 2 5" cover bends & the bottom corner pages are missing! Come on! I'd rather have a book that looked better than the grade than one that looked like it was way overgraded! Look at the book ,not the label

:x

DawgPhan · Post by **DawgPhan** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 2:19 pm

ryostar wrote:I bought 5 Valiant books in CGC 9.4 -9.8 all no better than 9.2 at best. corner blunting, several spine bends, etc... The 9.8 has a bend that breaks color! WTF! I also have a all star western #10 9.0 with 2 5" cover bends & the bottom corner pages are missing! Come on! I'd rather have a book that looked better than the grade than one that looked like it was way overgraded! Look at the book ,not the label :x

Corner blunting could have easily happened post slabbing...as for the rest I dont really know, but there have been several cases of post slab damage...makes you wonder why people are paying crazy prices for books in 9.8+ when a slight corner ding could easily happen in transit and drop the book to a 9.4- which is huge in the $ department...

ckb · Post by **ckb** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 2:20 pm

I find this really hard to swallow. Not doubting you, but of the over 200 CGC Valiants (not a typo) that I have had slabbed, they ravaged the ones with defects like this. 8.5s, 9.2s.

Dino bought a CEOG from me, an 8.5, that he cracked open to see the minute bend on the front cover corner that disappeared inside the case. He also bought a Dr Mirage 1 gold 9.2, where the only visible defect was a small, single color breaking transverse spine crease.

They kicked books in a 9.6 prescreen I had done with the slightest of defects. Slight cracking on the spine. A worse than average bindery tear. Even faint impressions left by those rotten ultra-pro holders with the thick flaps.

The whole set of 9.6s and 9.8s I currently have all look about mint to me. If any of you have took a close look at the 9.6 and 9.8s I've sold to you recently, I'd like it if you chimed in.

Sometimes I think the slabbing process or shipping causes things to happen in the slab.

ryostar wrote:I bought 5 Valiant books in CGC 9.4 -9.8 all no better than 9.2 at best. corner blunting, several spine bends, etc... The 9.8 has a bend that breaks color! WTF! I also have a all star western #10 9.0 with 2 5" cover bends & the bottom corner pages are missing! Come on! I'd rather have a book that looked better than the grade than one that looked like it was way overgraded! Look at the book ,not the label :x

DawgPhan · Post by **DawgPhan** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 2:28 pm

ckb wrote:I find this really hard to swallow. Not doubting you, but of the over 200 CGC Valiants (not a typo) that I have had slabbed, they ravaged the ones with defects like this. 8.5s, 9.2s.

Dino bought a CEOG from me, an 8.5, that he cracked open to see the minute bend on the front cover corner that disappeared inside the case. He also bought a Dr Mirage 1 gold 9.2, where the only visible defect was a small, single color breaking transverse spine crease.

They kicked books in a 9.6 prescreen I had done with the slightest of defects. Slight cracking on the spine. A worse than average bindery tear. Even faint impressions left by those rotten ultra-pro holders with the thick flaps.

The whole set of 9.6s and 9.8s I currently have all look about mint to me. If any of you have took a close look at the 9.6 and 9.8s I've sold to you recently, I'd like it if you chimed in.

Sometimes I think the slabbing process or shipping causes things to happen in the slab.

ryostar wrote:I bought 5 Valiant books in CGC 9.4 -9.8 all no better than 9.2 at best. corner blunting, several spine bends, etc... The 9.8 has a bend that breaks color! WTF! I also have a all star western #10 9.0 with 2 5" cover bends & the bottom corner pages are missing! Come on! I'd rather have a book that looked better than the grade than one that looked like it was way overgraded! Look at the book ,not the label :x

all the books that I got from you all looked great...I was very happy...of course i have no experience with graded books...

ryostar · Post by **ryostar** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 2:29 pm

Here is a quote from the post right below this one:

"Got my Harb #3, and since I can't leave feedback on eBay...consider this a big fat positive for Boda! Super fast shipping, good packaging, case in great shape! Thanks!

Now...I have some questions I'd like to discuss with you, Boda, if I may...did you send this book in raw yourself? Or did you pick it up? I ask because of the light 2 inch impact bend, along with a smaller bend, and a ding, in the bottom right corner, front to back. There's also that small scratch hole in the back cover.

I'm TOTALLY amazed this got a 9.4, I'd NEVER have sent this one in...if you did...what was the criteria by which you sent it? I'm curious...it seems I'm a stricter grader than even CGC....

and I may have screwed myself out of thousands of dollars over the years because of it.

ugh. "
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It really depends on who submits the books. A large dealer will get better grades ie. Heritage.

You can't get multiple spine bends from shipping. What is the deal with this defensive CGC attitude? Oh , that MUST have happened in shipping! Fact is they over grade! they actually have inconsistent grading also! Don't get me started on the 5 month turn around

"RANT"

DawgPhan · Post by **DawgPhan** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 2:45 pm

ryostar wrote:Here is a quote from the post right below this one:

"Got my Harb #3, and since I can't leave feedback on eBay...consider this a big fat positive for Boda! Super fast shipping, good packaging, case in great shape! Thanks!

Now...I have some questions I'd like to discuss with you, Boda, if I may...did you send this book in raw yourself? Or did you pick it up? I ask because of the light 2 inch impact bend, along with a smaller bend, and a ding, in the bottom right corner, front to back. There's also that small scratch hole in the back cover.

I'm TOTALLY amazed this got a 9.4, I'd NEVER have sent this one in...if you did...what was the criteria by which you sent it? I'm curious...it seems I'm a stricter grader than even CGC....

and I may have screwed myself out of thousands of dollars over the years because of it.

ugh. "
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It really depends on who submits the books. A large dealer will get better grades ie. Heritage. You can't get multiple spine bends from shipping. What is the deal with this defensive CGC attitude? Oh , that MUST have happened in shipping! Fact is they over grade! they actually have inconsistent grading also! Don't get me started on the 5 month turn around "RANT"

the defensive attitude is plenty of people have said lots of things about CGC but very few of them can back up their claims with scans or pictures. If these books are that bad provide a scan...that is all...Also I really doubt that "large dealers" get grades better than the average person...once again this would destroy the product that CGC is selling if people thought that the grades received by the BSDs were higher than they should be..

Shakespeare · Post by **Shakespeare** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 2:46 pm

Anyone got pics to share of the damaged books still in slabs?

ryostar · Post by **ryostar** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 2:53 pm

I can email someone several scans PM me.

DawgPhan · Post by **DawgPhan** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 2:56 pm

Shakespeare wrote:Anyone got pics to share of the damaged books still in slabs?

I suppose it is only fair.

http://boards.collectors-society.com/sh ... Post455616

Scroll down...i would say that counts as post slab damage...

DawgPhan · Post by **DawgPhan** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 3:00 pm

ryostar wrote:I can email someone several scans PM me.

pm sent

ryostar · Post by **ryostar** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 3:27 pm

The first book is a ASM#300 CGC9.6. I circled the damage you can see in the scans. There are about 15 spine bends on the spine. Check out the rat chewed right edge on the fc!! CRAP! I'll come back later with some other scans .

justin · Post by **justin** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 3:33 pm

I am not a big fan of CGC, but I am not a fan at all of CGG and all of the secondary companies!!

-A

DawgPhan · Post by **DawgPhan** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 3:59 pm

these dont really look as good as when i got them because they were resized by photobucket...i forgot about the size limits...does anyone else want to host them?

BodaZoffa · Post by **BodaZoffa** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 6:53 pm

greg wrote:This might be just like a horserace!

Yours (CGG 9.9):
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 2260855807

Someone else's (CGC 9.8):
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 2260845694

Giddyup!

Hey.... look who is selling the 9.8.

It's Brett. Does he still post here?

Boda

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 7:19 pm

Shakespeare wrote:Anyone got pics to share of the damaged books still in slabs?

A scan or pic isn't going to show what I'm talking about. You have to see it in person, but I will be keeping this one as a show and tell to drag around. Heck, *I* didn't even notice it til I did the 'every square centimeter' scan.

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 7:25 pm

ryostar wrote:The first book is a ASM#300 CGC9.6. I circled the damage you can see in the scans. There are about 15 spine bends on the spine. Check out the rat chewed right edge on the fc!! CRAP! I'll come back later with some other scans .

That's not 'rat chew'. That is a production flaw specific to THIS book and (so far as I can tell) THIS book ONLY. I have seen several hundred Spidey #300's, and 92% of them have this. It's not a 'chew' it's simply how things happened at the cutter that day. My guess is a dull(er) blade.

Also...who is CGG? Who's on their staff? Who are their restoration experts?

Ah yes...we don't KNOW, do we? CGG has been caught graded restored books as 'unrestored'. That...and THAT ALONE...makes CGG suspect, and I don't consider (currently) CGG's 'word' to be any better than Joe Blow on the street.

CGG's gonna have to do a HELL of a lot of PR to change my mind.

The well issue with CGC is a very valid one...VERY valid.

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 7:27 pm

$1.50

God, I wish I was collecting in Feb of 1988.

ryostar · Post by **ryostar** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 7:35 pm

NO $#%@ about the rat chew. Shouldn't you go back to the cgc boards & spout off your CGG missinformation?

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 7:48 pm

ryostar wrote:NO $#%@ about the rat chew. Shouldn't you go back to the cgc boards & spout off your CGG missinformation?

Excuse me?

What CGG 'misinformation' would that be.....?

And yes, again, there's no 'rat chew'. How many rats do YOU know that nibble along the entire edge of a comic, like a cob of corn, and do it evenly and consistently the entire 10.5 inches of the front and back cover, and doesn't touch ANY of the interior pages.

...and do it to almost the entire print run...?

Pretty amazing rats.

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