Worst Valiant Artist?

xounitylord · Post by **xounitylord** » Tue Aug 23, 2005 2:47 pm

We all know that art is the flip side of the story coin, so who do you think was the worst Valiant artist? VH-1 period, that is. And Deathmate doesn't count because Rob Liefeld worked for Image, not Valiant! It's not like there aren't a huge ammount of artists to choose from as Valiant had it's share of artistic talent go through the revolving door of talent that constantly changes in comic companies.

napalm · Post by **napalm** » Tue Aug 23, 2005 2:59 pm

Rob Liefeld!

Jaknife · Post by **Jaknife** » Tue Aug 23, 2005 3:22 pm

hmmm, id say tommy lee edwards. just never liked his style. im sure theres someone else, but he came to mind.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Tue Aug 23, 2005 5:52 pm

I agree, Edwards was the worst.

"looks at Visitor #13"

Just kidding, just kidding

xounitylord · Post by **xounitylord** » Tue Aug 23, 2005 6:05 pm

Edwards wasn't all that bad, I don't know where to go with this one, as it is hard for me to judge what art is bad. I think everyone has their own style and look and it should just be appreciated for what it is. I do know this, BWS, Bart Sears, and Joe Quesada were the best that Valiant had at their times. Bob Layton is pretty good too, but I didn't see too much stuff he did in Valiant other than covers, and it still was not up to the quality of his Iron Man stuff.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Tue Aug 23, 2005 6:28 pm

I think Edwards wins hands down. The fact is that there was no worst penciler than him.

I'd count Sears as a really bad penciller. His anatomical design is worst than Liefeld's.

marvel1 · Post by **marvel1** » Tue Aug 23, 2005 6:57 pm

i'll throw my name in there. i sucked back then, not that i'm much better now but then...
mac

myron · Post by **myron** » Tue Aug 23, 2005 7:15 pm

no way...your work is rockin'!

Jaknife · Post by **Jaknife** » Tue Aug 23, 2005 7:17 pm

hell no. i loved your stuff. at least your guys looked human. and sears was awesome. his muscles were just two or three times to big. and sean chen in the last few bloodshots was freakin a man.

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Tue Aug 23, 2005 7:21 pm

I actually liked Tommy Lee Edwards. Some of his pencils were a little messy back then, but his painted work has always been great. Dude's a talented artist though, and is still working in comics (Question mini a few months back).

I wouldn't call anyone a 'worst artist', but someone who's work I was never very fond of was Kevin Kobasic. I didn't like how he drew figures or faces, but I will say he did improve over time. Someone else who improved a lot was Luke Ross. His first work in X-O is pretty bad to me, but the stuff he does now is excellent.

MAC - far from the worst, you were always solid

xounitylord - I thought you were dead or something. guess you got 'better'

cinlach@aol.com · Post by **cinlach@aol.com** » Tue Aug 23, 2005 8:14 pm

some guys are suited for sequential art and some aren't...tommy lee edwards might fall into that catagory.

it's hard for me to judge though since i haven't seen any of his newer work. he was an awesome fella both times i met him and his star wars pieces were absolutely beautiful.

i wouldn't put sears on the worst list either, he can draw...no doubt. it was always the page layouts that bugged me. his stuff was sometimes very, very hard to read...check out crossgen's "the path" for a recent example.

mac is, as usual, being way too hard on himself. while he wasn't dave lapham or bernard chang "back in the day", his art was solid and very john byrne. there are worse guys to pattern yourself after artistically then john byrne...mac's layouts were easy to read and follow...and newsflash dude, your stuff rocks...i paid $160 for your solar piece without blinking...and that was nearly $100 more then the rai piece you did for me...now that was a steal. oh and get this, i had to talk mac into charging more for the rai piece. he was gonna charge me $40 for it...i was like "dude, your stuff rocks...you're worth more then that...like double at least."

in my opinion the worst artist was george savaria...he may be a hell of a guy but his art on magnus was terrible. gonzalo mayo was bad too...out the 2 of them together and you had a trainwreck.

tom ryder couldn't save savaria's pencils...that, ladies and gents is bad.

tom ryder could ink me and make me look good...lol.

george has probably come a long way artistically since the 90's...but back then he was the worst.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Tue Aug 23, 2005 8:27 pm

Luke Ross has definitely improved a lot over the years. His run on Spectacular Spider-Man was awesome.

And Mac, your work back then was great.

xounitylord · Post by **xounitylord** » Tue Aug 23, 2005 9:59 pm

Come on man, Bart wasn't too bad, a little on the overly huge sized, but not worse than Liefeld? That's a little hard to do. His hands and arms are at least into proportion of themselves, unlike Liefeld who seems to think hands only come in one size, what's an elbow, and my girls are more well endowed than any of your largest male strippers!

Heath · Post by **Heath** » Tue Aug 23, 2005 11:06 pm

I never cared for Ernie Colon's Valiant work. When I was re-reading the Unity TBPs recently, the art on his Magnus issues was very jarring and did not flow at all with the other issues. He has an interesting style, it just didn't seem "Valiant" to me.

OmenSpirits.com · Post by **OmenSpirits.com** » Wed Aug 24, 2005 1:15 am

xounitylord wrote:Come on man, Bart wasn't too bad, a little on the overly huge sized, but not worse than Liefeld? That's a little hard to do. His hands and arms are at least into proportion of themselves, unlike Liefeld who seems to think hands only come in one size, what's an elbow, and my girls are more well endowed than any of your largest male strippers!

WHO SAID BART?!
:x

Do I gotta come thru this comp and kick someones arse!

Given, his work on XO got a little over the top in some, but when he was doing the issues when XO was thinking he was in the past, TOTALLY hot!

DON'T NOBODY TALK NO JUNK 'BOUT NO BART! (he was my template when I was learning to draw before I got my on way)

now andy's work was alittle whack.

BodaZoffa · Post by **BodaZoffa** » Wed Aug 24, 2005 1:16 am

Too the above Bart Sears comments.....

If you read some of Sears' personal notes on the web, he stated that there was a period in his life where he just HATED to draw. He said he did it to pay the bills then, but it was something he could not stand. I think it was around the time he got divorced.

I think this is where you start to see his level of work really drop off in the later X-O issues. But I have to admit, X-O #14 & 15 were some of the best art Valiant saw.

Boda

xoken · Post by **xoken** » Wed Aug 24, 2005 2:54 am

BodaZoffa wrote: I think this is where you start to see his level of work really drop off in the later X-O issues. But I have to admit, X-O #14 & 15 were some of the best art Valiant saw.

Boda

I disagree with that. The covers are outstanding but the interiors are only average at best.

Jaknife · Post by **Jaknife** » Wed Aug 24, 2005 12:23 pm

i loved those issues. plus turok 1 and 2.

Will · Post by **Will** » Wed Aug 24, 2005 2:20 pm

ManofTheAtom wrote:I agree, Edwards was the worst.

"looks at Visitor #13"

Just kidding, just kidding

I don't get it...

-sTUpiD

charles_yo · Post by **charles_yo** » Wed Aug 24, 2005 3:06 pm

yeah, anthony sucks.

yeah right. i dug MAC's stuff back then and do so even more now. Him putting himself in this catagory is high comedy.

And I liked tommy lee's stuff. I feel bad that so many others didn't. Geez, who knew?

I have one entry for you: Klayton Krain.

Nuff Said, true believer.

Oh yeah, I sucked too, no question. Look at Turok #24.

charles_yo

magnusr · Post by **magnusr** » Wed Aug 24, 2005 3:17 pm

charles_yo wrote:Oh yeah, I sucked too, no question. Look at Turok #24.

charles_yo

Do you mean Turok 23?

I remember btw one artist I had the distinct pleasure of talking to at San Diego pointing out that as his skills improved, he always felt ashamed of his older work. I guess oneself is the worst critic.

/Magnus

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Wed Aug 24, 2005 3:39 pm

charles_yo wrote:I have one entry for you: Klayton Krain.

I thought that Krain's work on VH 2's Shadowman was better than anything he's produced since.

charles_yo · Post by **charles_yo** » Wed Aug 24, 2005 4:28 pm

In that case, I don't want to see any of it. Good god it was bad. There was simply no anatomy there, weird squggles everywhere. I just looked at the pencils and thought, "what do you do with this?"

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Wed Aug 24, 2005 5:14 pm

You publish it and call it Shadowman? lol

You hold it up and say "this justifies rebooting the VALIANT Universe!!" lol

Oh, speaking of really bad artists, there was this issue of VH 2 Magnus that had like 20 pencillers or something. That one really sucked, lol.

charles_yo · Post by **charles_yo** » Wed Aug 24, 2005 8:25 pm

and lets stress that the story certainly wasn't the worst thing that I'd ever seen, just the art. Klayton had no business actually getting paid for that stuff.

Literally, when inking those pages, for a paycheck, I was thinking, if this is what sells, then I'm not sure I want to be in this business any more.

What else has Krain done??