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[ManofTheAtom]

That was in VH-1, but was it in VEI?

Ah, my mistake.

/Magnus

Heh.

[ManofTheAtom]

Yep. Absent any direct reference to the Turtles being fictional at VALIANT, nothing prevents a crossover between them and Ninjak.

Lol, sure. Nothing prevents a crossover between X-O and Sonic the Hedgehog either, are you in favor of that?

Valiant used to be something unique, the integrity of the universe used to actually matter to the fans. If its just an 'anything goes' universe like Marvel and DC then why bother? Marvel and DC already have it covered. That's probably one of the reasons all the fans left. This doesn't help bring them back.

Ideally, a crossover between Ninjak and the Turtles would be with the original ones, not the cartoon ones.

[Ryan]

Yes. When Pete and Kris meet Faith for the first time there are several references to Star Trek.

/Magnus

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Exactly. This is what Valiant should be. This is why there were so many fans of Valiant in the 2000s. We wanted more comics like this.


Now we have this



It goes against everything that made Valiant unique and why there were fans in the first place. If I want anime/cheesecake X-Men I'll just buy the real X-Men comics, there's plenty to choose from. This is not what any true Valiant fan wants Valiant to be.

[Ryan]

Yep. Absent any direct reference to the Turtles being fictional at VALIANT, nothing prevents a crossover between them and Ninjak.

Lol, sure. Nothing prevents a crossover between X-O and Sonic the Hedgehog either, are you in favor of that?

Valiant used to be something unique, the integrity of the universe used to actually matter to the fans. If its just an 'anything goes' universe like Marvel and DC then why bother? Marvel and DC already have it covered. That's probably one of the reasons all the fans left. This doesn't help bring them back.

Ideally, a crossover between Ninjak and the Turtles would be with the original ones, not the cartoon ones.

Yeah, when you put it like that I can see how that could work. It would have to involve multi-dimension travel though, unless you're suggesting the Turtles would be canon in the VEI universe?

[ManofTheAtom]

Yes. When Pete and Kris meet Faith for the first time there are several references to Star Trek.

/Magnus

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Exactly. This is what Valiant should be. This is why there were so many fans of Valiant in the 2000s. We wanted more comics like this.


Now we have this



It goes against everything that made Valiant unique and why there were fans in the first place. If I want anime/cheesecake X-Men I'll just buy the real X-Men comics, there's plenty to choose from. This is not what any true Valiant fan wants Valiant to be.

Different canon, more like VH-2 on speed, heh.

[ManofTheAtom]

Yep. Absent any direct reference to the Turtles being fictional at VALIANT, nothing prevents a crossover between them and Ninjak.

Lol, sure. Nothing prevents a crossover between X-O and Sonic the Hedgehog either, are you in favor of that?

Valiant used to be something unique, the integrity of the universe used to actually matter to the fans. If its just an 'anything goes' universe like Marvel and DC then why bother? Marvel and DC already have it covered. That's probably one of the reasons all the fans left. This doesn't help bring them back.

Ideally, a crossover between Ninjak and the Turtles would be with the original ones, not the cartoon ones.

Yeah, when you put it like that I can see how that could work. It would have to involve multi-dimension travel though, unless you're suggesting the Turtles would be canon in the VEI universe?

It would, unfortunately. The Turtles has established its own multiverse. There could be an exit point into the VALIANT Universe.

Alternatively, for these crossovers it could be pretended that they do exist in the same world.

Shadowman/Wynonna Earp could work well too.

[Ryan]

Different canon, more like VH-2 on speed, heh.

Lol, that's one way to put it.

It would, unfortunately. The Turtles has established its own multiverse. There could be an exit point into the VALIANT Universe.

Alternatively, for these crossovers it could be pretended that they do exist in the same world.

Shadowman/Wynonna Earp could work well too.

Certainly, crossovers have been done both of those ways by every other company forever. The hope was that Valiant would be different than the others, but I guess that hasn't been the case for a long time now.

[ManofTheAtom]

Different canon, more like VH-2 on speed, heh.

Lol, that's one way to put it.

It would, unfortunately. The Turtles has established its own multiverse. There could be an exit point into the VALIANT Universe.

Alternatively, for these crossovers it could be pretended that they do exist in the same world.

Shadowman/Wynonna Earp could work well too.

Certainly, crossovers have been done both of those ways by every other company forever. The hope was that Valiant would be different than the others, but I guess that hasn't been the case for a long time now.

A VALIANT/Star Trek crossover could be a holodeck simulation set in the Star Trek Universe in which they interact with the fictional VALIANT heroes.

[Chiclo]

Yep. Absent any direct reference to the Turtles being fictional at VALIANT, nothing prevents a crossover between them and Ninjak.

Lol, sure. Nothing prevents a crossover between X-O and Sonic the Hedgehog either, are you in favor of that?

Valiant used to be something unique, the integrity of the universe used to actually matter to the fans. If its just an 'anything goes' universe like Marvel and DC then why bother? Marvel and DC already have it covered. That's probably one of the reasons all the fans left. This doesn't help bring them back.

Ideally, a crossover between Ninjak and the Turtles would be with the original ones, not the cartoon ones.

Yeah, when you put it like that I can see how that could work. It would have to involve multi-dimension travel though, unless you're suggesting the Turtles would be canon in the VEI universe?

Cosmic Cube would do it. Marvel isn't established as fictional in the VEI continuity, is it?

[Ryan]

A VALIANT/Star Trek crossover could be a holodeck simulation set in the Star Trek Universe in which they interact with the fictional VALIANT heroes.

Sure, but there'd be no stakes in a story like that. The only inter-company crossovers I've ever liked are ones that happen in continuity and have actual ramifications. Magnus vs. Predator and WildCats/Aliens. There might be others, I don't know. Usually these types of stories are formulaic and nothing but fan wank (as Cyberstrike says).

[Ryan]

Cosmic Cube would do it. Marvel isn't established as fictional in the VEI continuity, is it?

[ManofTheAtom]

Yep. Absent any direct reference to the Turtles being fictional at VALIANT, nothing prevents a crossover between them and Ninjak.

Lol, sure. Nothing prevents a crossover between X-O and Sonic the Hedgehog either, are you in favor of that?

Valiant used to be something unique, the integrity of the universe used to actually matter to the fans. If its just an 'anything goes' universe like Marvel and DC then why bother? Marvel and DC already have it covered. That's probably one of the reasons all the fans left. This doesn't help bring them back.

Ideally, a crossover between Ninjak and the Turtles would be with the original ones, not the cartoon ones.

Yeah, when you put it like that I can see how that could work. It would have to involve multi-dimension travel though, unless you're suggesting the Turtles would be canon in the VEI universe?

Cosmic Cube would do it. Marvel isn't established as fictional in the VEI continuity, is it?

Sailor Moon, Ghostbusters, Harley Quinn, the Turtles apparently, Lord of The Rings (clearly), Avatar, Star Trek, Judge Dread, Dragon Ball, Daredevil (from the Netflix series), Star Wars, Friday The 13th, Pokemon, Iron Giant, V For Vendetta, Flash, Superman, Iron Fist, Doctor Doom, and many others I don't recognize.

[ManofTheAtom]

A VALIANT/Star Trek crossover could be a holodeck simulation set in the Star Trek Universe in which they interact with the fictional VALIANT heroes.

Sure, but there'd be no stakes in a story like that. The only inter-company crossovers I've ever liked are ones that happen in continuity and have actual ramifications. Magnus vs. Predator and WildCats/Aliens. There might be others, I don't know. Usually these types of stories are formulaic and nothing but fan wank (as Cyberstrike says).

The Darkness/Batman pretended both existed in the same world and had continued repercussions in the Darkness comic following its publication.

[Chiclo]

A VALIANT/Star Trek crossover could be a holodeck simulation set in the Star Trek Universe in which they interact with the fictional VALIANT heroes.

Sure, but there'd be no stakes in a story like that. The only inter-company crossovers I've ever liked are ones that happen in continuity and have actual ramifications. Magnus vs. Predator and WildCats/Aliens. There might be others, I don't know. Usually these types of stories are formulaic and nothing but fan wank (as Cyberstrike says).

The Darkness/Batman pretended both existed in the same world and had continued repercussions in the Darkness comic following its publication.

Come to think of it, events in Grendel Tales were directly dependent on Batman/Grendel II (the one with Grendel Prime, the cyborg).

[ManofTheAtom]

A VALIANT/Star Trek crossover could be a holodeck simulation set in the Star Trek Universe in which they interact with the fictional VALIANT heroes.

Sure, but there'd be no stakes in a story like that. The only inter-company crossovers I've ever liked are ones that happen in continuity and have actual ramifications. Magnus vs. Predator and WildCats/Aliens. There might be others, I don't know. Usually these types of stories are formulaic and nothing but fan wank (as Cyberstrike says).

The Darkness/Batman pretended both existed in the same world and had continued repercussions in the Darkness comic following its publication.

Come to think of it, events in Grendel Tales were directly dependent on Batman/Grendel II (the one with Grendel Prime, the cyborg).

Cool.

[Ryan]

The Darkness/Batman pretended both existed in the same world and had continued repercussions in the Darkness comic following its publication.

That sounds cool. Technically that would be an alternate universe Batman with his own backstory and continuity. I don't know anything about Darkness and how strict they are with their continuity.

Come to think of it, events in Grendel Tales were directly dependent on Batman/Grendel II (the one with Grendel Prime, the cyborg).

Forgot about the Batman/Grendel series, those were great. Haven't read them in ages, I don't remember how they worked the continuity between Grendel's world and the DC universe.

[ManofTheAtom]

The Darkness/Batman pretended both existed in the same world and had continued repercussions in the Darkness comic following its publication.

That sounds cool. Technically that would be an alternate universe Batman with his own backstory and continuity. I don't know anything about Darkness and how strict they are with their continuity.

Who knows.

Miller says that Batman/Spawn is canon to Dark Knight Returns, which isn't part of regular canon.

[Ryan]

The Darkness/Batman pretended both existed in the same world and had continued repercussions in the Darkness comic following its publication.

That sounds cool. Technically that would be an alternate universe Batman with his own backstory and continuity. I don't know anything about Darkness and how strict they are with their continuity.

Who knows.

Miller says that Batman/Spawn is canon to Dark Knight Returns, which isn't part of regular canon.

Yeah. Batman probably has the most alternate versions of any character. That's what happens when he's been such a popular character for almost 100 years. It's overboard but understandable.

There's no reason characters like Bloodshot should be on their 5th or 6th iteration at this point. In modern comics its become the default to pretty much soft or hard reboot with every relaunch, which robs the character of any continuity and history. It's just lazy imo and one of the many reasons no one reads or cares about comics anymore.

[ManofTheAtom]

The Darkness/Batman pretended both existed in the same world and had continued repercussions in the Darkness comic following its publication.

That sounds cool. Technically that would be an alternate universe Batman with his own backstory and continuity. I don't know anything about Darkness and how strict they are with their continuity.

Who knows.

Miller says that Batman/Spawn is canon to Dark Knight Returns, which isn't part of regular canon.

Yeah. Batman probably has the most alternate versions of any character. That's what happens when he's been such a popular character for almost 100 years. It's overboard but understandable.

There's no reason characters like Bloodshot should be on their 5th or 6th iteration at this point. In modern comics its become the default to pretty much soft or hard reboot with every relaunch, which robs the character of any continuity and history. It's just lazy imo and one of the many reasons no one reads or cares about comics anymore.

For sure.

[Chiclo]

Come to think of it, events in Grendel Tales were directly dependent on Batman/Grendel II (the one with Grendel Prime, the cyborg).

Forgot about the Batman/Grendel series, those were great. Haven't read them in ages, I don't remember how they worked the continuity between Grendel's world and the DC universe.

As I recall, some Grendels (the gang) were doing some kind of mystical ceremony involving Hunter Rose’s skull or maybe trying to retrieve Hunter Rose’s skull? And Grendel Prime gets teleported to Gotham where Hunter’s skull was on display in a museum and he fought Batman. Batman/Grendel II takes place between panels in a Grendel Tales comic.

[Ryan]

Come to think of it, events in Grendel Tales were directly dependent on Batman/Grendel II (the one with Grendel Prime, the cyborg).

Forgot about the Batman/Grendel series, those were great. Haven't read them in ages, I don't remember how they worked the continuity between Grendel's world and the DC universe.

As I recall, some Grendels (the gang) were doing some kind of mystical ceremony involving Hunter Rose’s skull or maybe trying to retrieve Hunter Rose’s skull? And Grendel Prime gets teleported to Gotham where Hunter’s skull was on display in a museum and he fought Batman. Batman/Grendel II takes place between panels in a Grendel Tales comic.

Ah, that rings a bell. I just flipped through the first one and it looks like Hunter Rose just gets on a plane and travels to Gotham City from NYC. It's obviously not meant to be thought about too seriously, but since Grendel clearly doesn't take place in the DC universe one could say that there is a Grendel universe version of Gotham City.

It's definitely one of the greatest cross-company crossovers that I've ever read (especially the first one). However it would have been better still if it would have been an integral part of the Grendel mythos instead of just a side story that didn't have any impact on either of their continuities
That's not really Wagner's style though.

I think Ninjak with the Mirage Turtles could be very cool. Honestly its the Ninjak part of that would be holding it back. Still waiting to read a truly great Ninjak story. Maybe 0 and 00 by Moretti were the closest thing I can remember.

[DJMoonChild]

So what, we get a valiant crossover with Sonic the hedgehog or something?!

[Chiclo]

So what, we get a valiant crossover with Sonic the hedgehog or something?!

I guess that's the bar now.

[DJMoonChild]

So what, we get a valiant crossover with Sonic the hedgehog or something?!

I guess that's the bar now.

Haha, what's up, Chiclo! Damn, long time folks.

[Chiclo]

So what, we get a valiant crossover with Sonic the hedgehog or something?!

I guess that's the bar now.

Haha, what's up, Chiclo! Damn, long time folks.

Oh, you know. Just keepin’ it gangsta.