Valiants unfinished threads

[greg]

Unfinished story we need more? SANDRIA

[FormerReader]

Bleeding Monk?

Darpan?

[grendeljd]

Unfinished story we need more? SANDRIA

Hell yeah!

[grendeljd]

I want to know what happened to hive/traveler. Gen Zero would be a logical place for them to pop up.

Dead hand's specimens on the moon should become the new Vine home world.

Pete's dad who is presumable still in a coma after toddler Pete tried to activate him.

What went on with the grey goo before bloodshot #1?

Yes to all that - great thought about Petes dad, is he still in a coma somewhere?

The missing Gen Zero kids is at the top of my personal list - it actually drives me nuts that they aren't already mentioned or part of the current comic in any way.

[jmatt]

The missing Gen Zero kids is at the top of my personal list - it actually drives me nuts that they aren't already mentioned or part of the current comic in any way.

Maybe they'll get their own book: West Coast Gen Zero.

[SuperMage]

Dead hand's specimens on the moon should become the new Vine home world.

In the original Valiant Universe the Vine/Spider Aliens had a base on the moon right? Maybe that's what the Dead Hand storyline was trying to set up for the next writer.

4. Is Flatline still alive?

Yes. Hardcats

I must have missed that. Where do the Hardcats show up?

Canada

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You had me thinking Lemire reintroduced a new version of the Hardcats in Bloodshot USA, still haven't gotten around to reading it which is why I was genuinely curious, nice one though.

On-Topic: You can add my vote for wanting to see the Bleeding Monk return.

There are still 10 Generation Zero kids who have gone missing. I assuming Titan and Ramsey are in Rook Michigan somewhere, but just staying on sidelines. Traveler, Astral, and Hive in likely still hiding in Traveler's dimension. That last five were last seen in Harada's custody alive and well. Only the members currently in Rook were shown to be saved by Animalia. That means the rest are still with Harada.

[KladerusofWar]

Where is Sana in all this? :C she was the new geomancer and then....bye? i mean...even reciently, Kindt wrotte how master darque got released thanks to Roku.

- Livewire, pls come back...and also...She had a thing for Colin, what happened?

[Shadowman99]

Where is Sana in all this? :C she was the new geomancer and then....bye? i mean...even reciently, Kindt wrotte how master darque got released thanks to Roku.

- Livewire, pls come back...and also...She had a thing for Colin, what happened?

Are you sure you're reading these comics closely enough and not just skimming through them?

[grendeljd]

The missing Gen Zero kids is at the top of my personal list - it actually drives me nuts that they aren't already mentioned or part of the current comic in any way.

Maybe they'll get their own book: West Coast Gen Zero.

West Coast Gen Zero 90210

[ironherc]

Gilad's son who became the sword of Nergal.

And his daughter for that matter.

And Nergal was supposed to be released from his imprisonment in 2000 years because Gilad killed the Mother Earth Tree

Gilad has got to be the character who draw the shortest straw, when it comes to continuity. Nothing in his separate series is tied with anything.

Are you kidding me? they still haven't continued that story? (I would assume Wrath of The Eternal Warrior would had continue it somewhere, haven't read anything yet) I'm almost feeling like considered it as a incomplete non canon story as it kinda contradicts the rest of EW's history since he supposedly stopped working with the geomancers when his daughter killed her brother till the start of the story if i recall.

[BugsySig]

Gilad's son who became the sword of Nergal.

And his daughter for that matter.

And Nergal was supposed to be released from his imprisonment in 2000 years because Gilad killed the Mother Earth Tree

Gilad has got to be the character who draw the shortest straw, when it comes to continuity. Nothing in his separate series is tied with anything.

Are you kidding me? they still haven't continued that story? (I would assume Wrath of The Eternal Warrior would had continue it somewhere, haven't read anything yet) I'm almost feeling like considered it as a incomplete non canon story as it kinda contradicts the rest of EW's history since he supposedly stopped working with the geomancers when his daughter killed her brother till the start of the story if i recall.

It was never entirely clear but Pak made it seem like he quit some time around the Civil War when the Earth allowed that entire Native American tribe to be slaughtered.

[Nairbe]

Not sure if this applies, but I don't think it was ever explained just what exactly happened to Rai after he pulled the sword from the tree and the cherry blossom petals covered/healed his wounds.

I asked Matt if that was Ninjak's sword from Fall of Ninjak, and he said he couldn't answer that at the moment. So hopefully there is more to that sword/storyline.

[ShadowTuga]

Gilad's son who became the sword of Nergal.

And his daughter for that matter.

And Nergal was supposed to be released from his imprisonment in 2000 years because Gilad killed the Mother Earth Tree

Gilad has got to be the character who draw the shortest straw, when it comes to continuity. Nothing in his separate series is tied with anything.

Are you kidding me? they still haven't continued that story? (I would assume Wrath of The Eternal Warrior would had continue it somewhere, haven't read anything yet) I'm almost feeling like considered it as a incomplete non canon story as it kinda contradicts the rest of EW's history since he supposedly stopped working with the geomancers when his daughter killed her brother till the start of the story if i recall.

Pretty much it's still a who-when-where-what?! when it comes to Gilad's background.
Wrath, despite being the best EW series so far ('cept the first arc- comic by numbers, imho) just confuses stuff even more. I won't spoil it for you, but there's a lot of Gilad we did not know so far.
But, ya, Nothing is Resolved. I am starting to think that VEI wants us to forget Pak's run. Or, you know, it might never happened, come the end of Divinity III (which I think will serve as a soft reboot for some characters, but that's my opinion).

[dornwolf]

Gilad's son who became the sword of Nergal.

And his daughter for that matter.

And Nergal was supposed to be released from his imprisonment in 2000 years because Gilad killed the Mother Earth Tree

Gilad has got to be the character who draw the shortest straw, when it comes to continuity. Nothing in his separate series is tied with anything.

Are you kidding me? they still haven't continued that story? (I would assume Wrath of The Eternal Warrior would had continue it somewhere, haven't read anything yet) I'm almost feeling like considered it as a incomplete non canon story as it kinda contradicts the rest of EW's history since he supposedly stopped working with the geomancers when his daughter killed her brother till the start of the story if i recall.

Pretty much it's still a who-when-where-what?! when it comes to Gilad's background.
Wrath, despite being the best EW series so far ('cept the first arc- comic by numbers, imho) just confuses stuff even more. I won't spoil it for you, but there's a lot of Gilad we did not know so far.
But, ya, Nothing is Resolved. I am starting to think that VEI wants us to forget Pak's run. Or, you know, it might never happened, come the end of Divinity III (which I think will serve as a soft reboot for some characters, but that's my opinion).

Huh never thought that Divinity III could soft reboot things. If that is a possibility they explore I hope they don't go overboard.

[jmatt]

Huh never thought that Divinity III could soft reboot things. If that is a possibility they explore I hope they don't go overboard.

I don't wanna see that. At all. Because once that door is cracked open, we'll never know what's still canon until it is touched upon again; it's all up in the air until we hear about it again. Writers will have the leeway to start suggesting things like "Well, what if it's actually the case the Flamingo never died?"

No good can come of it.

[Dallow Spicer1]

Huh never thought that Divinity III could soft reboot things. If that is a possibility they explore I hope they don't go overboard.

I don't wanna see that. At all. Because once that door is cracked open, we'll never know what's still canon until it is touched upon again; it's all up in the air until we hear about it again. Writers will have the leeway to start suggesting things like "Well, what if it's actually the case the Flamingo never died?"

No good can come of it.

+ 1000 agreed!

[Phoenix8008]

Huh never thought that Divinity III could soft reboot things. If that is a possibility they explore I hope they don't go overboard.

I don't wanna see that. At all. Because once that door is cracked open, we'll never know what's still canon until it is touched upon again; it's all up in the air until we hear about it again. Writers will have the leeway to start suggesting things like "Well, what if it's actually the case the Flamingo never died?"

No good can come of it.

+ 1000 agreed!

+1000 more from me!

[BugsySig]

I always thought the Pak EW series could be reconciled easily enough. But no one has even attempted to do so in any of his follow up series, Unity, The Valiant, or BoD.

I'd say give FVL an EW annual or something and have him reconcile all the convoluted continuity we already have with Gilda before it gets out of hand. He's the only person I'd trust to do so.

[Keith]

Huh never thought that Divinity III could soft reboot things. If that is a possibility they explore I hope they don't go overboard.

I don't wanna see that. At all. Because once that door is cracked open, we'll never know what's still canon until it is touched upon again; it's all up in the air until we hear about it again. Writers will have the leeway to start suggesting things like "Well, what if it's actually the case the Flamingo never died?"

No good can come of it.

+ 1000 agreed!

+1000 more from me!

x 38 from me. Bad idea, all around.

[ironherc]

Gilad's son who became the sword of Nergal.

And his daughter for that matter.

And Nergal was supposed to be released from his imprisonment in 2000 years because Gilad killed the Mother Earth Tree

Gilad has got to be the character who draw the shortest straw, when it comes to continuity. Nothing in his separate series is tied with anything.

Are you kidding me? they still haven't continued that story? (I would assume Wrath of The Eternal Warrior would had continue it somewhere, haven't read anything yet) I'm almost feeling like considered it as a incomplete non canon story as it kinda contradicts the rest of EW's history since he supposedly stopped working with the geomancers when his daughter killed her brother till the start of the story if i recall.

Pretty much it's still a who-when-where-what?! when it comes to Gilad's background.
Wrath, despite being the best EW series so far ('cept the first arc- comic by numbers, imho) just confuses stuff even more. I won't spoil it for you, but there's a lot of Gilad we did not know so far.
But, ya, Nothing is Resolved. I am starting to think that VEI wants us to forget Pak's run. Or, you know, it might never happened, come the end of Divinity III (which I think will serve as a soft reboot for some characters, but that's my opinion).

I'm pretty sure they do want us to forget that run, maybe it contradicted some plans for the character, or maybe cause it was a bit similar to DC's new 52 take on the green, red, rot life force and stuff, who knows. (though vol 2 of his run fits good on the 4000 ad side). I'm not sure Divinity 3 is going to be responsible for a soft reboot, the idea never crossed my mind, could help to introduce characters and concepts from the stalinverse to the regular universe which would be good. But I'm sure it won't cause a reboot of any sort since VEI is doing fine with it's current continuity.

[Shadowman99]

I always thought the Pak EW series could be reconciled easily enough. But no one has even attempted to do so in any of his follow up series, Unity, The Valiant, or BoD.

I'd say give FVL an EW annual or something and have him reconcile all the convoluted continuity we already have with Gilda before it gets out of hand. He's the only person I'd trust to do so.

Agreed. Considering the somewhat fragmented nature of the EW comics to date I'm sure VEI could tie up these loose ends easily enough and bring some coherance to the comic if they wanted to. I dare say the series could benefit from that, but I'm not so sure that it'd hold up in terms of actually selling enough comics to make it financially viable unfortunately.

I think Bugsy's right - Valiant has been focussed on moving the character forward which is great, but that has resulted in most of the plot elements that Pak put in place being long forgotten about and unresolved, which is a shame imo (I quite liked the idea of the different houses etc. and could happily see this idea in particular expanded upon).

I'm sure that where there's a will there's a way in terms of ironing out the kinks in the EW comic as it stands, but whether VEI will ever dedicate the resources to doing so will determine whether it ever actually happens or not. My money would be on VEI continuing to move the character forward regardless, but who can say?

As a side note, it's a shame that EW comics don't seem to be able to run for any decent period of time before sales drop off, I think EW is a cracking concept! But it might just be that this is the very reason for the comic's fragmented nature to date - VEI might simply being trying out different approaches to the comic to figure out what works in terms of maintaining readership

[nonplayer]

The reason I started this thread is so Valiant can make their comics better and not forget about the stuff set up and hopefully not abandoned.
To me it is wrong to make stuff a threat and say it's the next big thing or something important happens and stuff is just floating in the wind. Like malgam or the digital thing from armor hunters this list continues as we've read in this thread. You can't teas stuff and wipe it under the carpet never to be revisited just to forget about it and move on and sell another war when loose ends still hang.
This will quickly make me a fool.
Humans unlike dogs waving a new treat infront of them wont make them forget gen0 kids are still in the wind. Timelessly the bleeding monk stands frozen crossing that bridge. We hard core fans who obviously buy the most and go out of our way to support won't be fooled forever.
It would be easy to tie up loos ends but that doesn't make for new readers because this far from armor hunters war nobody knows who the rock guy is or malgam. Why not have Gin-Gr drop them off on what ever planet they want then it's finalized. Please Valiant cream please read this thread and take care of some of thease loose ends.

[ironherc]

I do understand the frustration of getting things unresolved, but that actually happens a lot in shared universe comics like this. Not saying is a good thing, but valiant isn't doing too bad about this compared to the big 2. But yes, I agree that some plot points that seem interesting enough to pursue should be resolved. Would make me spending money for the first trade of EW worth it in the long run if they do.

[ShadowTuga]

I an understand the frustration of getting things unresolved, but that actually happens a lot in shared universe comics like this. Not saying is a good thing, but valiant isn't doing too bad about this compared to the big 2. But yes, I agree that some plot points that seem interesting enough to pursue should be resolved. Would make me spending money for the first trade of EW worth it in the long run if they do.

Those shared comic universes (Big 2) are at least 10 times bigger than Valiant. VEI, having a small output as it is, should have a much tighter leash on these things. They know that us fans know our canon.
I too would love a mini that wold tie all of Gilad's stuff. Can't be that hard, giving we're only 4 and a half years down the road.

[ironherc]

i know they are way bigger, just saying that valiant tries better than those 2 to have tight continuity. But a hickup or two are bound to happen