November 2015 Sales Discussion

Keith · Post by **Keith** » Fri Dec 11, 2015 10:16 am

And so it begins...

Retail Market Share
Marvel - 43.20%
DC - 26.35%
Image - 8.67%
IDW - 4.42%
Dark Horse - 3.17%
Boom! - 1.96%
Dynamite - 1.90%
Oni - 1.06%
Titan - .73%
Valiant - .73%
Other - 7.82%

Unit Market Share
Marvel - 47.65%
DC - 26.09%
Image - 10.02%
IDW - 3.50%
Dark Horse - 2.69%
Boom! - 1.67%
Dynamite - 1.60%
Valiant - .87%
Archie - .76%
Titan - .64%
Other - 4.51%

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Fri Dec 11, 2015 10:30 am

Keith wrote:And so it begins...

The third age of mankind?

BugsySig · Post by **BugsySig** » Fri Dec 11, 2015 10:50 am

Lower than in recent months, but it really depends on the total gross for the market. I expect a nice bump from that in December with Wrath #1, Trill #0, Operation Deadside, and Unity #25.

agent_graves · Post by **agent_graves** » Fri Dec 11, 2015 11:10 am

BugsySig wrote:Lower than in recent months, but it really depends on the total gross for the market. I expect a nice bump from that in December with Wrath #1, Trill #0, Operation Deadside, and Unity #25.

Wrath #2?

jeremycoe · Post by **jeremycoe** » Fri Dec 11, 2015 11:13 am

BugsySig wrote:Lower than in recent months, but it really depends on the total gross for the market. I expect a nice bump from that in December with Wrath #1, Trill #0, Operation Deadside, and Unity #25.

Wrath of the EW came out in November and is included in these percentages. I think the real thing to consider is actual sales numbers, not the market share numbers. Marvel & DC both sold a ton of books in November with Vader Down #1 and DK3 #1. That will make VEIs percentages go down, even if they sell the same number of books.

BugsySig · Post by **BugsySig** » Fri Dec 11, 2015 11:23 am

jeremycoe wrote:
BugsySig wrote:Lower than in recent months, but it really depends on the total gross for the market. I expect a nice bump from that in December with Wrath #1, Trill #0, Operation Deadside, and Unity #25.
Wrath of the EW came out in November and is included in these percentages. I think the real thing to consider is actual sales numbers, not the market share numbers. Marvel & DC both sold a ton of books in November with Vader Down #1 and DK3 #1. That will make VEIs percentages go down, even if they sell the same number of books.

Oops...Forgot that was still November. But Wrath 2 should still have a decent number.

That was what I meant by the gross for the industry. VEI can have a lower share and make more money than a month with a higher share but lower monthly gross for the industry.

greg · Post by **greg** » Fri Dec 11, 2015 2:06 pm

The simplest way to look at it...

Valiant had 9 titles in October and 0.99% unit share.
Valiant had 8 titles in November and 0.87% unit share.

Identical.

Phoenix8008 · Post by **Phoenix8008** » Fri Dec 11, 2015 4:18 pm

greg wrote:The simplest way to look at it...

Valiant had 9 titles in October and 0.99% unit share.
Valiant had 8 titles in November and 0.87% unit share.

Identical.

The voice of wisdom and simplicity... as usual.

hunter_peterson · Post by **hunter_peterson** » Fri Dec 11, 2015 6:04 pm

greg wrote:The simplest way to look at it...

Valiant had 9 titles in October and 0.99% unit share.
Valiant had 8 titles in November and 0.87% unit share.

Identical.

such logic

jmatt · Post by **jmatt** » Fri Dec 11, 2015 9:36 pm

greg wrote:The simplest way to look at it...

Valiant had 9 titles in October and 0.99% unit share.
Valiant had 8 titles in November and 0.87% unit share.

Identical.

Phew!

agent_graves · Post by **agent_graves** » Sun Dec 13, 2015 11:01 pm

84 VAL WRATH OF THE ETERNAL WARRIOR #1 [*] $3.99

*Returnable-which I believe, knocks off about 10% of the actual total number, to account for possible returns, so that 84, is a little misleading. It's still cool that Valiant has a book in the top 100, two months in a row, especially, with all these new #1's, flooding the market...

BugsySig · Post by **BugsySig** » Mon Dec 14, 2015 6:46 am

greg wrote:The simplest way to look at it...

Valiant had 9 titles in October and 0.99% unit share.
Valiant had 8 titles in November and 0.87% unit share.

Identical.

Not necessarily. VEI shipped 9 books and 5 GNs in October.

If I am not mistaken, on the November Solicits there are only 7 issues (plus 2 $1 Debuts) and 6 GNs (4 TPBs and 2 Deluxe).

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greg · Post by **greg** » Mon Dec 14, 2015 9:00 am

BugsySig wrote:
greg wrote:The simplest way to look at it...

Valiant had 9 titles in October and 0.99% unit share.
Valiant had 8 titles in November and 0.87% unit share.

Identical.
Not necessarily. VEI shipped 9 books and 5 GNs in October.

If I am not mistaken, on the November Solicits there are only 7 issues (plus 2 $1 Debuts) and 6 GNs (4 TPBs and 2 Deluxe).

http://www.newsarama.com/25589-valiant- ... tions.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

My notes had Rai #12 in November, but that didn't happen. That's 7 titles with 0.87%.
That means Valiant might have done better in November, despite falling to 0.87% unit share.

greg · Post by **greg** » Mon Dec 14, 2015 9:00 am

agent_graves wrote:84 VAL WRATH OF THE ETERNAL WARRIOR #1 [*] $3.99

*Returnable-which I believe, knocks off about 10% of the actual total number, to account for possible returns, so that 84, is a little misleading. It's still cool that Valiant has a book in the top 100, two months in a row, especially, with all these new #1's, flooding the market...

Returns are usually 5% (give or take).

Keith · Post by **Keith** » Mon Dec 14, 2015 9:18 am

84 Wrath of the Etewrnal Warrior #1 - 32,528
193 Bloodshot Reborn #8 - 8,989
200 Ninjak #9 - 8,538
238 X-O Manowar #42 - 6,604
267 Imperium #10 - 5,244
270 Ivar, Timewalker #11 - 5,199
275 Unity #24 - 4,493

159 Imperium vol. 2 - 686
196 Unity vol 6 - 527
224 Divinity Dlx - 450
244 The Valiant Dlx - 404
286 Unity Dlx vol 1 - 286

greg · Post by **greg** » Mon Dec 14, 2015 10:29 am

81,000 comics in October on 9 titles (9,000 average)
71,000 comics in November on 7 titles (10,000+ average)

jmatt · Post by **jmatt** » Mon Dec 14, 2015 9:20 pm

Well, for the umpteenth time -- it kills me to see Imperium and Ivar with such low numbers.

BugsySig · Post by **BugsySig** » Mon Dec 14, 2015 9:27 pm

jmatt wrote:Well, for the umpteenth time -- it kills me to see Imperium and Ivar with such low numbers.

It's a travesty. I can't believe the critics who love all those Indy/Image books haven't caught on to those two books and brought more attention to them.

Meanwhile Quantum & Woody was nominated for a billion awards and was a critical darling!?!?

agent_graves · Post by **agent_graves** » Tue Dec 15, 2015 12:43 am

84 VAL Wrath of the Eternal Warrior (2015) 1 32,528

193 VAL Bloodshot Reborn (2015) 8 8,989 7 9,715 -726 -7.47%

200 VAL Ninjak (2015) 9 8,538 8 8,114 424 +5.23%

238 VAL X-O Manowar (2012) 42 6,604 41 6,923 -319 -4.61%

267 VAL Imperium (2015) 10 5,244 9 5,190 54 +1.04%

270 VAL Ivar, Timewalker (2015) 11 5,199 10 5,603 -404 -7.21%

275 VAL Unity (2013) 24 4,943 23 5,428 -485 -8.94%

Ninjak was +5% and Imperium was +1%, small increases, but worth noting...

DirtbagSailor · Post by **DirtbagSailor** » Tue Dec 15, 2015 3:57 am

jmatt wrote:Well, for the umpteenth time -- it kills me to see Imperium and Ivar with such low numbers.

Ivar and Imperium are the two BEST TITLES out there presently! Seriously, they just blow me away month after month.

Nameless7 · Post by **Nameless7** » Tue Dec 15, 2015 9:56 am

DirtbagSailor wrote:
jmatt wrote:Well, for the umpteenth time -- it kills me to see Imperium and Ivar with such low numbers.
Ivar and Imperium are the two BEST TITLES out there presently! Seriously, they just blow me away month after month.

Couldn't agree more. Those titles are by far the best VEI is putting out. Not that the other stuff is bad by any means, it's just that these two are that much better.

possumgrease · Post by **possumgrease** » Tue Dec 15, 2015 10:00 am

Nameless7 wrote:
DirtbagSailor wrote:
jmatt wrote:Well, for the umpteenth time -- it kills me to see Imperium and Ivar with such low numbers.
Ivar and Imperium are the two BEST TITLES out there presently! Seriously, they just blow me away month after month.

Couldn't agree more. Those titles are by far the best VEI is putting out. Not that the other stuff is bad by any means, it's just that these two are that much better.

I agree also. Just wanted to chime in.

Ricomortis · Post by **Ricomortis** » Tue Dec 15, 2015 9:14 pm

Like I said in a post the other day. I never liked the original Timewalker and I despise time travel books, however, FVL has weaved an absolute MASTERPIECE. I believe someday people will realize what he has accomplished with this series. I think it's up there with some of the big classics or famous runs.

As for Imperium.... Dysart just kills it. Favorite title... By FAR! Don't even know what to say... It has to be just no recognition and push by retailers. Man, ALOT of fanboys are really missing out.

I know it's not me... I don't have this obscure taste... I just know what's good.

For instance, TMNT was the *SQUEE* in the beginning... Loved it! Now look!

Bone was great... From the beginning... Classic!

Not to mention.... Pre-unity! No brainer.

Started Sandman, walking dead, and Invincible from the beginnings and was ranting over them.

Now it's VEI and books like Saga!

I just don't get it! Anywhere I go I promote Imperium, Divinity, and Ivar.... And everytime... No one has either heard of them or picked them up.

Hell... I couldn't tell you how many retailers have never heard of them. Mind boggling!

Rico

Thomas · Post by **Thomas** » Wed Dec 16, 2015 10:51 am

I think the reason Imperium isn't catching on with a lot of readers is because it's not enough like a generic superhero book to catch the attention of the big superhero crowd and not indie enough for the typical indie comic crowd.
That would be my guess.
It's special, but being special means that it will, most likely, stay obscure.

jmatt · Post by **jmatt** » Wed Dec 16, 2015 9:56 pm

Thomas wrote:I think the reason Imperium isn't catching on with a lot of readers is because it's not enough like a generic superhero book to catch the attention of the big superhero crowd

This. I think for outsiders, Imperium seems like a title that you'd have to be familiar with the Valiant universe to understand. I don't think that's necessarily true -- but the Imperium's readership is a subset of Harbinger fans in specific and Valiant in general.

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