Re-Reading: Solar #49

[xoken]

I thought we could do a book a day (that way people can read one every day or catch up on weekends), talk about it on its own, in the context of whats next, in regards to what expectations it creates and vote on how good it is. I don't have to be the one that posts everyday. If I miss a day or if someone wants to take over please do

For voting think of your single favourite comic book (not just VALIANT) as the benchmark - thats a 10 - and grade according to that.

Make sure to mention what you like'd about the book, what you didn't, what you wish they would have done, your favourite panels, lines of dialogue, little bits of trivia etc.

Solar #49

[Todd Luck]

This issue we make the most shocking discovery of all: the Flashpoint characters have brains and are capable of intelligent conversation and debate!

Amazing

The arguement over martial law is actually pretty good almost elevates this comic above the first three issues.

But then we get, bar none, one of the stupidist, most destructive things ever done in a Valiant comic...The origin of Flashpoint's Earth.

Let me count the ways this was bad:

1) It took me years to even think of an explaination that could've even made this far fetched BS work. Solar makes these people create a duplicate of Earth's history?

At first I thought this would require mass mind control and an intimate knowledge of every advancement in history (niether of which Solar has). But years, and many theories, later all I can think of it that every time Solar traveled in time he created a quantum disturbance and basically wished for the events of his Earth to come to pass. The universe, his subconscious...something must have filled in the blanks.

Yeah, it sounds like *SQUEE* to me too.

2) The Valiant Universe has a counter Earth?!?!?!?!

Nuff said.

3) Solar has spent millions of years from Earth and created a planet. He's no longer an identifiable, human character anymore.

4) What would be so horrible that it would make Solar leave Earth and spend a million years creating another Earth?

He had a fight with his girlfriend.



How the *SQUEE* could this *SQUEE* have even gotten to the printer?!?

What the *SQUEE* were they thinking?!?

A 3.

[magnusr]

1) It took me years to even think of an explaination that could've even made this far fetched BS work. Solar makes these people create a duplicate of Earth's history?

Yeah, that's big BS, Solar's deluded when he says that. And he can make sure that all ancesters of himself live the same lives and meet each-other. Yeah, right.

Solar traveled in time he created a quantum disturbance and basically wished for the events of his Earth to come to pass. The universe, his subconscious...something must have filled in the blanks.

I'd rather say that there are new realities created continiously, of which some become more stable and others fade away? Anyway, Solar subconsciously must have managed to follow the realities that lead up to this end result. These continiously varying realities is what best fits Unity, geomancy and so on, and with not too much tweaking it fits here as well. Of course, neither Solar, not Jurgens seem to have thought of that

So it can be made to make sense.

We also get to hear what Solar believes happened during Alpha and Omega and it's not as has been concluded in another thread on these boards.

Does this excuse them for printing this comic? No, but I will go higher than a 3.

/Magnus

[Daniel Jackson]

Seeing the way this new Solar story is all being explained now is laughable. What a pathetic attempt to breathe new life into a character. This why Valiant needs Jim Shooter. He knew how to right an intelligent story and give the character an interesting twist. He even did a better job with the character than the original creator did.

[Todd Luck]

We also get to hear what Solar believes happened during Alpha and Omega and it's not as has been concluded in another thread on these boards.

I assume you're refering to Solar saying the radiation made him into an energy being. Actually, Solar no longer believed what both he and Mothergod said his reactors really did, namely it was a "wish machine" that made his subconscious desire come true (which works on quantum mechanics).

[magnusr]

I assume you're refering to Solar saying the radiation made him into an energy being. Actually, Solar no longer believed what both he and Mothergod said his reactors really did, namely it was a "wish machine" that made his subconscious desire come true (which works on quantum mechanics).

That too. But I referred to this issue stating that A&O took place in another quantum reality, while the boards concluded it was more an issue of recreating the same reality. Of course, again we can explain this issue by saying Solar is not quite aware of what he is doing.

/Magnus

[Todd Luck]

I assume you're refering to Solar saying the radiation made him into an energy being. Actually, Solar no longer believed what both he and Mothergod said his reactors really did, namely it was a "wish machine" that made his subconscious desire come true (which works on quantum mechanics).

That too. But I referred to this issue stating that A&O took place in another quantum reality, while the boards concluded it was more an issue of recreating the same reality. Of course, again we can explain this issue by saying Solar is not quite aware of what he is doing.

/Magnus

Actually it was refered to as both time travel (altering history) AND an alternate reality in the early comics. I'm sure you remember Solar 10 where Geoff is feeling events in the Alpha & Omega reality (Solar's creation, the death of the world, etc). It was definately another reality as Shooter wrote it.

I think basically when you go back in time and alter history you create a new reality/timeline. Unity 2000 backed this up (remember how the realities were multiplying like "bunnies on viagra"?)

[magnusr]

I'm sure you remember Solar 10 where Geoff is feeling events in the Alpha & Omega reality (Solar's creation, the death of the world, etc). It was definately another reality as Shooter wrote it.

Good point. That's the definitive argument.

/Magnus