Poll to settle the Alien v DMG debate!

[Dallow Spicer1]

Let’s settle this ongoing debate once and for all, take it to the polls, let the people speak!
Ps no postal voting as we know what happens there!

[ManofTheAtom]

Let’s settle this ongoing debate once and for all, take it to the polls, let the people speak!
Ps no postal voting as we know what happens there!

Forgot the ice cream option...

[Ryan]

Let’s settle this ongoing debate once and for all, take it to the polls, let the people speak!
Ps no postal voting as we know what happens there!

Not valid because you're mischaracterizing the argument. Is an Editor-in-Chief truly just a regular 'employee', or the one who determines the entire direction of the comic book line?

[ManofTheAtom]

Let’s settle this ongoing debate once and for all, take it to the polls, let the people speak!
Ps no postal voting as we know what happens there!

Not valid because you're mischaracterizing the argument. Is an Editor-in-Chief truly just a regular 'employee', or the one who determines the entire direction of the comic book line?

Irrelevant to the discussion of whether or not Alien and DMG are the same company and whether or not Alien is responsible for DMG's *SQUEE* ups, which is what people here claimed for months prior to the launch of their comics.

[Dallow Spicer1]

Let’s settle this ongoing debate once and for all, take it to the polls, let the people speak!
Ps no postal voting as we know what happens there!

Not valid because you're mischaracterizing the argument. Is an Editor-in-Chief truly just a regular 'employee', or the one who determines the entire direction of the comic book line?

I’m kind of on your side, I think the problem is Fred Pierce who hires the editors and the fact they kept Lysa Hawkins who has continued to produce ‘patchy’ at best books is the issue. We need new vision, someone in charge who can pick better creators more consistently. I assume Hawkins has been behind the greater ties to continuity, which is a good idea, but the implementation has been clunky and too much too soon.

So, my intention in the poll was to include editors, EIC’s etc as they hire talent.

[ManofTheAtom]

Let’s settle this ongoing debate once and for all, take it to the polls, let the people speak!
Ps no postal voting as we know what happens there!

Not valid because you're mischaracterizing the argument. Is an Editor-in-Chief truly just a regular 'employee', or the one who determines the entire direction of the comic book line?

I’m kind of on your side, I think the problem is Fred Pierce who hires the editors and the fact they kept Lysa Hawkins who has continued to produce ‘patchy’ at best books is the issue. We need new vision, someone in charge who can pick better creators more consistently. I assume Hawkins has been behind the greater ties to continuity, which is a good idea, but the implementation has been clunky and too much too soon.

So, my intention in the poll was to include editors, EIC’s etc as they hire talent.

And how is that relevant to whether or not Alien and DMG are the same company and Alien is liable for DMG screwing up fulfilling the Scorched Earth Kickstarter, which is what people continually blamed Alien for months before they launched their comics?

[Ryan]

Let’s settle this ongoing debate once and for all, take it to the polls, let the people speak!
Ps no postal voting as we know what happens there!

Not valid because you're mischaracterizing the argument. Is an Editor-in-Chief truly just a regular 'employee', or the one who determines the entire direction of the comic book line?

I’m kind of on your side, I think the problem is Fred Pierce who hires the editors and the fact they kept Lysa Hawkins who has continued to produce ‘patchy’ at best books is the issue. We need new vision, someone in charge who can pick better creators more consistently. I assume Hawkins has been behind the greater ties to continuity, which is a good idea, but the implementation has been clunky and too much too soon.

So, my intention in the poll was to include editors, EIC’s etc as they hire talent.

I'm not saying I know anything about ANY of that. All I did was pick up a few of the new Alien comics, read them, and say 'these don't seem that much different to me." Sheeesh if I had known it would lead to this...

[ManofTheAtom]

Let’s settle this ongoing debate once and for all, take it to the polls, let the people speak!
Ps no postal voting as we know what happens there!

Not valid because you're mischaracterizing the argument. Is an Editor-in-Chief truly just a regular 'employee', or the one who determines the entire direction of the comic book line?

I’m kind of on your side, I think the problem is Fred Pierce who hires the editors and the fact they kept Lysa Hawkins who has continued to produce ‘patchy’ at best books is the issue. We need new vision, someone in charge who can pick better creators more consistently. I assume Hawkins has been behind the greater ties to continuity, which is a good idea, but the implementation has been clunky and too much too soon.

So, my intention in the poll was to include editors, EIC’s etc as they hire talent.

I'm not saying I know anything about ANY of that. All I did was pick up a few of the new Alien comics, read them, and say 'these don't seem that much different to me." Sheeesh if I had known it would lead to this...

But that is not what you said. What you said in response to my argument that they are separate companies and Alien is not liable for DMG screwing up fulfillment of the Kickstarter was claim that they is no truth to what I said and then used the fact that Alien hired the same editor that worked at VALIANT as proof that what I said was wrong.

[Ryan]

Let’s settle this ongoing debate once and for all, take it to the polls, let the people speak!
Ps no postal voting as we know what happens there!

Not valid because you're mischaracterizing the argument. Is an Editor-in-Chief truly just a regular 'employee', or the one who determines the entire direction of the comic book line?

I’m kind of on your side, I think the problem is Fred Pierce who hires the editors and the fact they kept Lysa Hawkins who has continued to produce ‘patchy’ at best books is the issue. We need new vision, someone in charge who can pick better creators more consistently. I assume Hawkins has been behind the greater ties to continuity, which is a good idea, but the implementation has been clunky and too much too soon.

So, my intention in the poll was to include editors, EIC’s etc as they hire talent.

I'm not saying I know anything about ANY of that. All I did was pick up a few of the new Alien comics, read them, and say 'these don't seem that much different to me." Sheeesh if I had known it would lead to this...

But that is not what you said. What you said in response to my argument that they are separate companies and Alien is not liable for DMG screwing up fulfillment of the Kickstarter was claim that they is no truth to what I said and then used the fact that Alien hired the same editor that worked at VALIANT as proof that what I said was wrong.

If you interpreted that way, I'm sorry. I was just discussing the comics and my opinion on them, like we're at the comic shop chatting. Nothing said should be taken that seriously, don't know what to tell you.

[ManofTheAtom]

Let’s settle this ongoing debate once and for all, take it to the polls, let the people speak!
Ps no postal voting as we know what happens there!

Not valid because you're mischaracterizing the argument. Is an Editor-in-Chief truly just a regular 'employee', or the one who determines the entire direction of the comic book line?

I’m kind of on your side, I think the problem is Fred Pierce who hires the editors and the fact they kept Lysa Hawkins who has continued to produce ‘patchy’ at best books is the issue. We need new vision, someone in charge who can pick better creators more consistently. I assume Hawkins has been behind the greater ties to continuity, which is a good idea, but the implementation has been clunky and too much too soon.

So, my intention in the poll was to include editors, EIC’s etc as they hire talent.

I'm not saying I know anything about ANY of that. All I did was pick up a few of the new Alien comics, read them, and say 'these don't seem that much different to me." Sheeesh if I had known it would lead to this...

But that is not what you said. What you said in response to my argument that they are separate companies and Alien is not liable for DMG screwing up fulfillment of the Kickstarter was claim that they is no truth to what I said and then used the fact that Alien hired the same editor that worked at VALIANT as proof that what I said was wrong.

If you interpreted that way, I'm sorry. I was just discussing the comics and my opinion on them, like we're at the comic shop chatting. Nothing said should be taken that seriously, don't know what to tell you.

How do you interpret it any other way when one person tells me that I'm insane for saying that Alien and DMG are different companies and a second offers Alien hiring DMG's editor as proof that I'm stating a falsehood?

[Ryan]

Not valid because you're mischaracterizing the argument. Is an Editor-in-Chief truly just a regular 'employee', or the one who determines the entire direction of the comic book line?

I’m kind of on your side, I think the problem is Fred Pierce who hires the editors and the fact they kept Lysa Hawkins who has continued to produce ‘patchy’ at best books is the issue. We need new vision, someone in charge who can pick better creators more consistently. I assume Hawkins has been behind the greater ties to continuity, which is a good idea, but the implementation has been clunky and too much too soon.

So, my intention in the poll was to include editors, EIC’s etc as they hire talent.

I'm not saying I know anything about ANY of that. All I did was pick up a few of the new Alien comics, read them, and say 'these don't seem that much different to me." Sheeesh if I had known it would lead to this...

But that is not what you said. What you said in response to my argument that they are separate companies and Alien is not liable for DMG screwing up fulfillment of the Kickstarter was claim that they is no truth to what I said and then used the fact that Alien hired the same editor that worked at VALIANT as proof that what I said was wrong.

If you interpreted that way, I'm sorry. I was just discussing the comics and my opinion on them, like we're at the comic shop chatting. Nothing said should be taken that seriously, don't know what to tell you.

How do you interpret it any other way when one person tells me that I'm insane for saying that Alien and DMG are different companies and a second offers Alien hiring DMG's editor as proof that I'm stating a falsehood?

The comics still suck.

[Dallow Spicer1]

Let’s settle this ongoing debate once and for all, take it to the polls, let the people speak!
Ps no postal voting as we know what happens there!

Not valid because you're mischaracterizing the argument. Is an Editor-in-Chief truly just a regular 'employee', or the one who determines the entire direction of the comic book line?

I’m kind of on your side, I think the problem is Fred Pierce who hires the editors and the fact they kept Lysa Hawkins who has continued to produce ‘patchy’ at best books is the issue. We need new vision, someone in charge who can pick better creators more consistently. I assume Hawkins has been behind the greater ties to continuity, which is a good idea, but the implementation has been clunky and too much too soon.

So, my intention in the poll was to include editors, EIC’s etc as they hire talent.

I'm not saying I know anything about ANY of that. All I did was pick up a few of the new Alien comics, read them, and say 'these don't seem that much different to me." Sheeesh if I had known it would lead to this...

Wow you’re remarkably under informed for someone debating this long

[Dallow Spicer1]

I’m kind of on your side, I think the problem is Fred Pierce who hires the editors and the fact they kept Lysa Hawkins who has continued to produce ‘patchy’ at best books is the issue. We need new vision, someone in charge who can pick better creators more consistently. I assume Hawkins has been behind the greater ties to continuity, which is a good idea, but the implementation has been clunky and too much too soon.

So, my intention in the poll was to include editors, EIC’s etc as they hire talent.

I'm not saying I know anything about ANY of that. All I did was pick up a few of the new Alien comics, read them, and say 'these don't seem that much different to me." Sheeesh if I had known it would lead to this...

But that is not what you said. What you said in response to my argument that they are separate companies and Alien is not liable for DMG screwing up fulfillment of the Kickstarter was claim that they is no truth to what I said and then used the fact that Alien hired the same editor that worked at VALIANT as proof that what I said was wrong.

If you interpreted that way, I'm sorry. I was just discussing the comics and my opinion on them, like we're at the comic shop chatting. Nothing said should be taken that seriously, don't know what to tell you.

How do you interpret it any other way when one person tells me that I'm insane for saying that Alien and DMG are different companies and a second offers Alien hiring DMG's editor as proof that I'm stating a falsehood?

The comics still suck.

Have you read them all? Or at least most of them?

[ManofTheAtom]

The comics still suck.

Not relevant to that particular topic.

[Dallow Spicer1]

Let’s settle this ongoing debate once and for all, take it to the polls, let the people speak!
Ps no postal voting as we know what happens there!

Not valid because you're mischaracterizing the argument. Is an Editor-in-Chief truly just a regular 'employee', or the one who determines the entire direction of the comic book line?

I’m kind of on your side, I think the problem is Fred Pierce who hires the editors and the fact they kept Lysa Hawkins who has continued to produce ‘patchy’ at best books is the issue. We need new vision, someone in charge who can pick better creators more consistently. I assume Hawkins has been behind the greater ties to continuity, which is a good idea, but the implementation has been clunky and too much too soon.

So, my intention in the poll was to include editors, EIC’s etc as they hire talent.

And how is that relevant to whether or not Alien and DMG are the same company and Alien is liable for DMG screwing up fulfilling the Scorched Earth Kickstarter, which is what people continually blamed Alien for months before they launched their comics?

I can’t see how Alien inherited DMGs garbage Kickstarter, that doesn’t make sense.

[Ryan]

I'm not saying I know anything about ANY of that. All I did was pick up a few of the new Alien comics, read them, and say 'these don't seem that much different to me." Sheeesh if I had known it would lead to this...

But that is not what you said. What you said in response to my argument that they are separate companies and Alien is not liable for DMG screwing up fulfillment of the Kickstarter was claim that they is no truth to what I said and then used the fact that Alien hired the same editor that worked at VALIANT as proof that what I said was wrong.

If you interpreted that way, I'm sorry. I was just discussing the comics and my opinion on them, like we're at the comic shop chatting. Nothing said should be taken that seriously, don't know what to tell you.

How do you interpret it any other way when one person tells me that I'm insane for saying that Alien and DMG are different companies and a second offers Alien hiring DMG's editor as proof that I'm stating a falsehood?

The comics still suck.

Have you read them all? Or at least most of them?

A few. Am I not allowed to have an opinion on those few comics, or do I have to read them all to have an opinion?

[ManofTheAtom]

Let’s settle this ongoing debate once and for all, take it to the polls, let the people speak!
Ps no postal voting as we know what happens there!

Not valid because you're mischaracterizing the argument. Is an Editor-in-Chief truly just a regular 'employee', or the one who determines the entire direction of the comic book line?

I’m kind of on your side, I think the problem is Fred Pierce who hires the editors and the fact they kept Lysa Hawkins who has continued to produce ‘patchy’ at best books is the issue. We need new vision, someone in charge who can pick better creators more consistently. I assume Hawkins has been behind the greater ties to continuity, which is a good idea, but the implementation has been clunky and too much too soon.

So, my intention in the poll was to include editors, EIC’s etc as they hire talent.

And how is that relevant to whether or not Alien and DMG are the same company and Alien is liable for DMG screwing up fulfilling the Scorched Earth Kickstarter, which is what people continually blamed Alien for months before they launched their comics?

I can’t see how Alien inherited DMGs garbage Kickstarter, that doesn’t make sense.

For months prior to the launch of Alien's first VALIANT comic some people here continually harassed Alien's owner and staff over DMG's failure to fulfill the Scorched Earth Kickstarter, as if they were liable for DMG's screw ups.

The harassment got to the point that they decided to stop coming here altogether and be part of the community.

[ManofTheAtom]

But that is not what you said. What you said in response to my argument that they are separate companies and Alien is not liable for DMG screwing up fulfillment of the Kickstarter was claim that they is no truth to what I said and then used the fact that Alien hired the same editor that worked at VALIANT as proof that what I said was wrong.

If you interpreted that way, I'm sorry. I was just discussing the comics and my opinion on them, like we're at the comic shop chatting. Nothing said should be taken that seriously, don't know what to tell you.

How do you interpret it any other way when one person tells me that I'm insane for saying that Alien and DMG are different companies and a second offers Alien hiring DMG's editor as proof that I'm stating a falsehood?

The comics still suck.

Have you read them all? Or at least most of them?

A few. Am I not allowed to have an opinion on those few comics, or do I have to read them all to have an opinion?

You are. Hopefully someday we'll be able to discuss the content of the comics. First we need to end the debate of whether or not Alien and DMG are the same company, which keeps coming back.

[Ryan]

I can’t see how Alien inherited DMGs garbage Kickstarter, that doesn’t make sense.

It'll make sense when you realize 90% of these arguments take place in one person's head.

[Dallow Spicer1]

Let’s settle this ongoing debate once and for all, take it to the polls, let the people speak!
Ps no postal voting as we know what happens there!

Not valid because you're mischaracterizing the argument. Is an Editor-in-Chief truly just a regular 'employee', or the one who determines the entire direction of the comic book line?

I’m kind of on your side, I think the problem is Fred Pierce who hires the editors and the fact they kept Lysa Hawkins who has continued to produce ‘patchy’ at best books is the issue. We need new vision, someone in charge who can pick better creators more consistently. I assume Hawkins has been behind the greater ties to continuity, which is a good idea, but the implementation has been clunky and too much too soon.

So, my intention in the poll was to include editors, EIC’s etc as they hire talent.

And how is that relevant to whether or not Alien and DMG are the same company and Alien is liable for DMG screwing up fulfilling the Scorched Earth Kickstarter, which is what people continually blamed Alien for months before they launched their comics?

I can’t see how Alien inherited DMGs garbage Kickstarter, that doesn’t make sense.

For months prior to the launch of Alien's first VALIANT comic some people here continually harassed Alien's owner and staff over DMG's failure to fulfill the Scorched Earth Kickstarter, as if they were liable for DMG's screw ups.

The harassment got to the point that they decided to stop coming here altogether and be part of the community.

When you say staff…do you mean Lysa Hawkins who was editor at DMG and Alien? Who were fans supposed to ask?

[Ryan]

You are. Hopefully someday we'll be able to discuss the content of the comics.

Nothing's stopping us. Let's talk comics. I'd like to know anyone's opinions on what qualities of the comics have improved since Alien began publishing them. More connectivity? Yes. I'd say that's an improvement over DMG. But connectivity alone doesn't make the writing better.

[ManofTheAtom]

Not valid because you're mischaracterizing the argument. Is an Editor-in-Chief truly just a regular 'employee', or the one who determines the entire direction of the comic book line?

I’m kind of on your side, I think the problem is Fred Pierce who hires the editors and the fact they kept Lysa Hawkins who has continued to produce ‘patchy’ at best books is the issue. We need new vision, someone in charge who can pick better creators more consistently. I assume Hawkins has been behind the greater ties to continuity, which is a good idea, but the implementation has been clunky and too much too soon.

So, my intention in the poll was to include editors, EIC’s etc as they hire talent.

And how is that relevant to whether or not Alien and DMG are the same company and Alien is liable for DMG screwing up fulfilling the Scorched Earth Kickstarter, which is what people continually blamed Alien for months before they launched their comics?

I can’t see how Alien inherited DMGs garbage Kickstarter, that doesn’t make sense.

For months prior to the launch of Alien's first VALIANT comic some people here continually harassed Alien's owner and staff over DMG's failure to fulfill the Scorched Earth Kickstarter, as if they were liable for DMG's screw ups.

The harassment got to the point that they decided to stop coming here altogether and be part of the community.

When you say staff…do you mean Lysa Hawkins who was editor at DMG and Alien? Who were fans supposed to ask?

I mean Danielle Ward at the very least. You should see her continued discussions with syzhang28 and slack I think is the other one's handle. It's all there. The guy wouldn't let up about the Kickstarter, bringing it over and over and over again.

http://www.valiantfans.com/forum/viewto ... 5&start=25

You can see some of that vitriol in that thread.

[ManofTheAtom]

You are. Hopefully someday we'll be able to discuss the content of the comics.

Nothing's stopping us. Let's talk comics. I'd like to know anyone's opinions on what qualities of the comics have improved since Alien began publishing them. More connectivity? Yes. I'd say that's an improvement over DMG. But connectivity alone doesn't make the writing better.

When I've read Resurgence I'll let you know. I am still reserving judgement until that ends and I see what follows.

Right now what Alien is doing feels more like filler to me than world building.

[Ryan]

When I've read Resurgence I'll let you know. I am still reserving judgement until that ends and I see what follows.

Right now what Alien is doing feels more like filler to me than world building.

Filler? A tiny company like Valiant shouldn't have 25+ issues of filler. Every comic should be extremely important and well considered, especially at the beginning to establish their new direction and to start to build a new readership. Was pre-Unity VH1 'filler' just so they could get to Unity? No way.

[ManofTheAtom]

When I've read Resurgence I'll let you know. I am still reserving judgement until that ends and I see what follows.

Right now what Alien is doing feels more like filler to me than world building.

Filler? A tiny company like Valiant shouldn't have 25+ issues of filler. Every comic should be extremely important and well considered, especially at the beginning to establish their new direction and to start to build a new readership. Was pre-Unity VH1 'filler' just so they could get to Unity? No way.

Much of what Alien has done has been to finish up what DMG started, like X-O Manowar Unconquered and Ninjak Superkillers. The rest has been moving the pieces on the board to set up Resurgence, but that's leading up to an event, not quite long-term world building.

I'm far more curious to find out what comes after Resurgence than what's come before it.