Forget Wish Machines...
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Forget Wish Machines...
...the relationship between the three different iterations of VALIANT is all about the manipulation of time and space.
In Stalinverse, "As the result of Kazmir bending time and space the entire world had been progressively occupied by the Soviet Union since 1934 and only a few people still remembered the old world and knew that the Stalinverse was not the "real" world."
Conceptually and fundamentally, that is no different from when Phil Seleski went back in time and transformed the real world into the VALIANT Universe (VH 1), and when Aric Dacia used the Cosmic Cube to give himself the X-O Manowar in 408 AD and transformed VH 1 into VH 2.
Something similar to that could have happened between VH 2 and VEI that transformed the former into the latter.
In this scenario, the different iterations of the VH 1, VH 2, and VEI characters can be said to be the same person, just living different lives, exactly as was the case with Stalinverse.
For instance, when Aric changed history when he gave himself the X-O Manowar, he changed Angelo Mortalli's life, so he'd become Raymond Garrison. And when something or someone changed history again after VH 2, they changed his life again, so he'd become the current VEI iteration.
What the wish machines did was merely transform Phil into Solar and allow Aric to give himself the Manowar armor in the past. What happened after that was a consequence of their wishes coming true, not the wishes themselves.
In Stalinverse, "As the result of Kazmir bending time and space the entire world had been progressively occupied by the Soviet Union since 1934 and only a few people still remembered the old world and knew that the Stalinverse was not the "real" world."
Conceptually and fundamentally, that is no different from when Phil Seleski went back in time and transformed the real world into the VALIANT Universe (VH 1), and when Aric Dacia used the Cosmic Cube to give himself the X-O Manowar in 408 AD and transformed VH 1 into VH 2.
Something similar to that could have happened between VH 2 and VEI that transformed the former into the latter.
In this scenario, the different iterations of the VH 1, VH 2, and VEI characters can be said to be the same person, just living different lives, exactly as was the case with Stalinverse.
For instance, when Aric changed history when he gave himself the X-O Manowar, he changed Angelo Mortalli's life, so he'd become Raymond Garrison. And when something or someone changed history again after VH 2, they changed his life again, so he'd become the current VEI iteration.
What the wish machines did was merely transform Phil into Solar and allow Aric to give himself the Manowar armor in the past. What happened after that was a consequence of their wishes coming true, not the wishes themselves.


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Re: Forget Wish Machines...
I'm wondering if it's necessary to have an explanation for the iterations? The current VEI versions can just continue as they have since 2012. Are there older iterations you would want to bring in to the current universe?
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Re: Forget Wish Machines...
I think all three iterations should be integrated together using the current VEI version as the framework. For VH 1, the goal would be to introduce plot and character arcs from the original iterations into the current narrative. Like, for Archer, why not integrate back that his parents killed him after he discovered what he was doing with the kids from their church, which in this version would be the Dominion?Ryan wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2024 12:46 pm I'm wondering if it's necessary to have an explanation for the iterations? The current VEI versions can just continue as they have since 2012. Are there older iterations you would want to bring in to the current universe?
I also think there's room in VEI to introduce the Troblemakers, for instance.

