Star Seed and Fatale

[ManofTheAtom]

Imagine if Alien/VEI licensed Star Seed and Fatale for inclusion into the VALIANT Universe.

Last I knew, Random also owned those characters like they do Solar, Turok, and Magnus, but since they are considerably lesser known and have been dormant for decades they'd likely be in less demand.

Alien could revive them like Voyager revived the Gold Key three in the '90s and insert them into the VALIANT Universe.

I think both had great potential and were two of Broadway's best.

'till Death Do Us Part and Knights on Broadway were also good, though.

Fatale, I believe, was developed FOR the VALIANT Universe.

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[Chiclo]

Licensing properties to include with other licensed properties just sounds like a logistical nightmare. You are doubling the red tape for licensor approval for what payoff, Star Seed and Fatale? Why license characters to include them in publication? In what scenario would this expansion into further licensed properties be preferrable to creating a knockoff that the publisher has no resposibility to the additional licensors? Either to go for an existing fanbase to get more books in front of more eyeballs or to indulge some whim of the writer. Alien doesn’t seem like the kind of scenario where a creator would be thus indulged; and neither Fatale nor Star Seed have much of a fan base, especially outside those already in their likely customer basd.

I like the outside the box thinking here but this scenario adds way more for little payoff. Knock ‘em off, sure. The industry needs another Supreme.

[ManofTheAtom]

Licensing properties to include with other licensed properties just sounds like a logistical nightmare. You are doubling the red tape for licensor approval for what payoff, Star Seed and Fatale? Why license characters to include them in publication? In what scenario would this expansion into further licensed properties be preferrable to creating a knockoff that the publisher has no resposibility to the additional licensors? Either to go for an existing fanbase to get more books in front of more eyeballs or to indulge some whim of the writer. Alien doesn’t seem like the kind of scenario where a creator would be thus indulged; and neither Fatale nor Star Seed have much of a fan base, especially outside those already in their likely customer basd.

I like the outside the box thinking here but this scenario adds way more for little payoff. Knock ‘em off, sure. The industry needs another Supreme.

There is value in the worlds Shooter et all created for Fatale and Star Seed that could expand the VALIANT Universe. And, in turn, the VALIANT Universe can expand those worlds.

Knock-offs are just meh.

[Ryan]

Licensing properties to include with other licensed properties just sounds like a logistical nightmare. You are doubling the red tape for licensor approval for what payoff, Star Seed and Fatale? Why license characters to include them in publication? In what scenario would this expansion into further licensed properties be preferrable to creating a knockoff that the publisher has no resposibility to the additional licensors? Either to go for an existing fanbase to get more books in front of more eyeballs or to indulge some whim of the writer. Alien doesn’t seem like the kind of scenario where a creator would be thus indulged; and neither Fatale nor Star Seed have much of a fan base, especially outside those already in their likely customer basd.

I like the outside the box thinking here but this scenario adds way more for little payoff. Knock ‘em off, sure. The industry needs another Supreme.

There is value in the worlds Shooter et all created for Fatale and Star Seed that could expand the VALIANT Universe. And, in turn, the VALIANT Universe can expand those worlds.

Knock-offs are just meh.

Isn't every superhero just a knock-off of Superman? (Which itself is a knock-off of Gladiator by Philip Wylie with some John Carter)
or Batman (which is a knock-off of The Shadow)

There are many instances of ideas starting off as 'knock-offs' that then become something new and better. George Lucas wanted to do a Flash Gordon movie but couldn't get the license, so he created Star Wars. Alan Moore started a story using the Charlton heroes, but then changed them to knock-offs and created Watchmen. Jim Shooter wanted to buy Marvel, failed, then created VALIANT. Etc, etc.

As much as I personally love the idea of a 'Shooter-verse' that would combine all his best properties, I wouldn't want to see it without him heavily involved. On top of the licensing headaches mentioned. I think that DMG's main goal is movies, so I don't see them licensing characters they don't own to include in their universe.

[Ryan]

Imagine if Alien/VEI licensed Star Seed and Fatale for inclusion into the VALIANT Universe.

Last I knew, Random also owned those characters like they do Solar, Turok, and Magnus, but since they are considerably lesser known and have been dormant for decades they'd likely be in less demand.

Alien could revive them like Voyager revived the Gold Key three in the '90s and insert them into the VALIANT Universe.

I think both had great potential and were two of Broadway's best.

'till Death Do Us Part and Knights on Broadway were also good, though.

Fatale, I believe, was developed FOR the VALIANT Universe.

Practicality concerns aside, I totally agree that the Broadway characters fit well with pre-Unity VALIANT.

The only thing that would be a concern is that due to the 'hard sci-fi' aspect of both universes, they don't want a bunch of different alien races popping up (like Marvel does), as that stretches the credibility.

Maybe the alien race of Cor's father could be tied to the Spider-aliens in some way? He could even be from an offshoot or different bio-engineered race of the Spider-aliens. Would be fun to try and tie the 2 universes together

[Ryan]

Last I knew, Random also owned those characters like they do Solar, Turok, and Magnus

Alternatively, what about a universe made up of GK3 + the best of Broadway?

It would contain the most important character, really the lynchpin of pre-Unity VALIANT, Solar. The other GK3 characters have good name recognition, while the Broadway characters have solid stories that fit in well with the pre-Unity style.

A possible lineup of titles:
1. Solar
2. Fatale
3. Magnus
4. Star Seed

Then after being established as supporting characters:
5. Turok
6. Knights on Broadway
7. Brain Boy (similar to Sting, possibly the inspiration for Sting) - could form a team like Harbinger

The biggest absences would be Harbinger and X-O, but I believe they're replaceable.

[ManofTheAtom]

Imagine if Alien/VEI licensed Star Seed and Fatale for inclusion into the VALIANT Universe.

Last I knew, Random also owned those characters like they do Solar, Turok, and Magnus, but since they are considerably lesser known and have been dormant for decades they'd likely be in less demand.

Alien could revive them like Voyager revived the Gold Key three in the '90s and insert them into the VALIANT Universe.

I think both had great potential and were two of Broadway's best.

'till Death Do Us Part and Knights on Broadway were also good, though.

Fatale, I believe, was developed FOR the VALIANT Universe.

Practicality concerns aside, I totally agree that the Broadway characters fit well with pre-Unity VALIANT.

The only thing that would be a concern is that due to the 'hard sci-fi' aspect of both universes, they don't want a bunch of different alien races popping up (like Marvel does), as that stretches the credibility.

Maybe the alien race of Cor's father could be tied to the Spider-aliens in some way? He could even be from an offshoot or different bio-engineered race of the Spider-aliens. Would be fun to try and tie the 2 universes together

Well, hard science would accept the existence of more than one alien species. Three, really, once we include the Predator Magnus encountered. Four with the Psi-Lords. Then add all the others the Predator has fought, and the number expands.

[ManofTheAtom]

Last I knew, Random also owned those characters like they do Solar, Turok, and Magnus

Alternatively, what about a universe made up of GK3 + the best of Broadway?

It would contain the most important character, really the lynchpin of pre-Unity VALIANT, Solar. The other GK3 characters have good name recognition, while the Broadway characters have solid stories that fit in well with the pre-Unity style.

A possible lineup of titles:
1. Solar
2. Fatale
3. Magnus
4. Star Seed

Then after being established as supporting characters:
5. Turok
6. Knights on Broadway
7. Brain Boy (similar to Sting, possibly the inspiration for Sting) - could form a team like Harbinger

The biggest absences would be Harbinger and X-O, but I believe they're replaceable.

If Random wanted to publish their own comics, they have the Defiant, Broadway, and Gold Key characters to do it themselves.

[Ryan]

Well, hard science would accept the existence of more than one alien species. Three, really, once we include the Predator Magnus encountered. Four with the Psi-Lords. Then add all the others the Predator has fought, and the number expands.

Sure, but the issue to me is that more alien races starts to really stretch the credibility of a hard sci-fi universe. Like how Marvel would introduce new alien races at the drop of a hat month after month without regard for 'realism' or consistency. There's nothing wrong with that approach, it's just more science fantasy than science fiction. Pre-Unity leaned much more towards a hard sci-fi approach, which made it unique and more mature in my opinion.

[Ryan]

Last I knew, Random also owned those characters like they do Solar, Turok, and Magnus

Alternatively, what about a universe made up of GK3 + the best of Broadway?

It would contain the most important character, really the lynchpin of pre-Unity VALIANT, Solar. The other GK3 characters have good name recognition, while the Broadway characters have solid stories that fit in well with the pre-Unity style.

A possible lineup of titles:
1. Solar
2. Fatale
3. Magnus
4. Star Seed

Then after being established as supporting characters:
5. Turok
6. Knights on Broadway
7. Brain Boy (similar to Sting, possibly the inspiration for Sting) - could form a team like Harbinger

The biggest absences would be Harbinger and X-O, but I believe they're replaceable.

If Random wanted to publish their own comics, they have the Defiant, Broadway, and Gold Key characters to do it themselves.

Is it Random House or Dreamworks now? I can't keep track. They definitely could, but comics are such a small business I guess they don't bother.

I'm not sure Defiant would fit as well with the others, but maybe with a few tweaks they could.

[ManofTheAtom]

Well, hard science would accept the existence of more than one alien species. Three, really, once we include the Predator Magnus encountered. Four with the Psi-Lords. Then add all the others the Predator has fought, and the number expands.

Sure, but the issue to me is that more alien races starts to really stretch the credibility of a hard sci-fi universe. Like how Marvel would introduce new alien races at the drop of a hat month after month without regard for 'realism' or consistency. There's nothing wrong with that approach, it's just more science fantasy than science fiction. Pre-Unity leaned much more towards a hard sci-fi approach, which made it unique and more mature in my opinion.

But hard science is what tells us that there is life in other worlds. Limiting that to two at VALIANT is what would be the mistake because that would ignore the science facts.

[Ryan]

Found it

DreamWorks Classics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DreamWork ... 0Engelman.

Classic Media, LLC, doing business as DreamWorks Classics, is an American entertainment company owned by DreamWorks Animation, which is a subsidiary of Universal Pictures and a division of Comcast's NBCUniversal. It was founded as Classic Media in 2000 by Eric Ellenbogen and John Engelman.[5] The studio's library consists of acquired intellectual property catalogs and character brands, as well as the licensing rights for various third-party properties. In 2012, Boomerang Media sold Classic Media to DreamWorks Animation, who rebranded the company as DreamWorks Classics.[6][7] DreamWorks Animation became a subsidiary of NBCUniversal in 2016.[8]

Catalogs

The Western Publishing/Golden Books/Gold Key Comics/Golden Book Video library (Pat the Bunny, Magnus, Robot Fighter, Doctor Solar, Man of the Atom, Turok, and Little Lulu)

Broadway Video's former family entertainment library (Lassie, The Lone Ranger, and Sergeant Preston of the Yukon)[28][29] including:

[ManofTheAtom]

Last I knew, Random also owned those characters like they do Solar, Turok, and Magnus

Alternatively, what about a universe made up of GK3 + the best of Broadway?

It would contain the most important character, really the lynchpin of pre-Unity VALIANT, Solar. The other GK3 characters have good name recognition, while the Broadway characters have solid stories that fit in well with the pre-Unity style.

A possible lineup of titles:
1. Solar
2. Fatale
3. Magnus
4. Star Seed

Then after being established as supporting characters:
5. Turok
6. Knights on Broadway
7. Brain Boy (similar to Sting, possibly the inspiration for Sting) - could form a team like Harbinger

The biggest absences would be Harbinger and X-O, but I believe they're replaceable.

If Random wanted to publish their own comics, they have the Defiant, Broadway, and Gold Key characters to do it themselves.

Is it Random House or Dreamworks now? I can't keep track. They definitely could, but comics are such a small business I guess they don't bother.

I'm not sure Defiant would fit as well with the others, but maybe with a few tweaks they could.

I believe Dreamworks owns Golden which owns Random.

Defiant is a difficult fit, but yeah, with tweaks it could be done.

[Ryan]

I believe Dreamworks owns Golden which owns Random.

Defiant is a difficult fit, but yeah, with tweaks it could be done.

Yeah which is owned by NBCUniversal. Who knows, maybe someday NBC will buy the Valiant characters and they would all be reunited again, heheh.

Just like ABC/Disney came to own Marvel and Warner Bros. came to own DC.

I wasn't as big of a fan of Defiant, not sure which characters I would even consider salvaging

[ManofTheAtom]

I believe Dreamworks owns Golden which owns Random.

Defiant is a difficult fit, but yeah, with tweaks it could be done.

Yeah which is owned by NBCUniversal. Who knows, maybe someday NBC will buy the Valiant characters and they would all be reunited again, heheh.

Just like ABC/Disney came to own Marvel and Warner Bros. came to own DC.

I wasn't as big of a fan of Defiant, not sure which characters I would even consider salvaging

Could you imagine if they did?

I have almost all of Defiant except maybe two or three comics, so I haven't really taken the time to read them. I really someday.

[Ryan]

I believe Dreamworks owns Golden which owns Random.

Defiant is a difficult fit, but yeah, with tweaks it could be done.

Yeah which is owned by NBCUniversal. Who knows, maybe someday NBC will buy the Valiant characters and they would all be reunited again, heheh.

Just like ABC/Disney came to own Marvel and Warner Bros. came to own DC.

I wasn't as big of a fan of Defiant, not sure which characters I would even consider salvaging

Could you imagine if they did?

I have almost all of Defiant except maybe two or three comics, so I haven't really taken the time to read them. I really someday.

It would definitely be cool to see all those characters reunited. But I think it would take some really successful movies and series to get the attention of one of the mega studios. I remember Shooter saying in interviews the last few years that Paramount (I think) had a big offer on the table around the time of Unity, but pulled it after he left.

I've barely read any of Defiant since it came out, but I still have most of them too. Start a re-reading thread! I would be down. We can even find the pdfs of Schism, I think a lot of it was finished.

[ManofTheAtom]

I believe Dreamworks owns Golden which owns Random.

Defiant is a difficult fit, but yeah, with tweaks it could be done.

Yeah which is owned by NBCUniversal. Who knows, maybe someday NBC will buy the Valiant characters and they would all be reunited again, heheh.

Just like ABC/Disney came to own Marvel and Warner Bros. came to own DC.

I wasn't as big of a fan of Defiant, not sure which characters I would even consider salvaging

Could you imagine if they did?

I have almost all of Defiant except maybe two or three comics, so I haven't really taken the time to read them. I really someday.

It would definitely be cool to see all those characters reunited. But I think it would take some really successful movies and series to get the attention of one of the mega studios. I remember Shooter saying in interviews the last few years that Paramount (I think) had a big offer on the table around the time of Unity, but pulled it after he left.

I've barely read any of Defiant since it came out, but I still have most of them too. Start a re-reading thread! I would be down. We can even find the pdfs of Schism, I think a lot of it was finished.

That would be cool. Maybe someday, heh.

[Ryan]

I believe Dreamworks owns Golden which owns Random.

Defiant is a difficult fit, but yeah, with tweaks it could be done.

Yeah which is owned by NBCUniversal. Who knows, maybe someday NBC will buy the Valiant characters and they would all be reunited again, heheh.

Just like ABC/Disney came to own Marvel and Warner Bros. came to own DC.

I wasn't as big of a fan of Defiant, not sure which characters I would even consider salvaging

Could you imagine if they did?

I have almost all of Defiant except maybe two or three comics, so I haven't really taken the time to read them. I really someday.

It would definitely be cool to see all those characters reunited. But I think it would take some really successful movies and series to get the attention of one of the mega studios. I remember Shooter saying in interviews the last few years that Paramount (I think) had a big offer on the table around the time of Unity, but pulled it after he left.

I've barely read any of Defiant since it came out, but I still have most of them too. Start a re-reading thread! I would be down. We can even find the pdfs of Schism, I think a lot of it was finished.

That would be cool. Maybe someday, heh.

It would be fun. The Defiant and Broadway subforum has been really quiet. Would like to see if someone's done a proper reading order.

[ManofTheAtom]

I believe Dreamworks owns Golden which owns Random.

Defiant is a difficult fit, but yeah, with tweaks it could be done.

Yeah which is owned by NBCUniversal. Who knows, maybe someday NBC will buy the Valiant characters and they would all be reunited again, heheh.

Just like ABC/Disney came to own Marvel and Warner Bros. came to own DC.

I wasn't as big of a fan of Defiant, not sure which characters I would even consider salvaging

Could you imagine if they did?

I have almost all of Defiant except maybe two or three comics, so I haven't really taken the time to read them. I really someday.

It would definitely be cool to see all those characters reunited. But I think it would take some really successful movies and series to get the attention of one of the mega studios. I remember Shooter saying in interviews the last few years that Paramount (I think) had a big offer on the table around the time of Unity, but pulled it after he left.

I've barely read any of Defiant since it came out, but I still have most of them too. Start a re-reading thread! I would be down. We can even find the pdfs of Schism, I think a lot of it was finished.

That would be cool. Maybe someday, heh.

It would be fun. The Defiant and Broadway subforum has been really quiet. Would like to see if someone's done a proper reading order.

For sure. I'd just need to find time for something like that. It could be fun, provided people participate, heh.