BoD: The Fall of X-O Manowar - Discussion

[DirtbagSailor]

My published review:

http://all-comic.com/2015/book-death-fa ... manowar-1/

Also, my advice? Buy this book, it's a very good read, and might be worth collecting if you follow what I'm saying...

[Keith]

Great review, and great job on all the reviews you've been posting at All-Comic!

I'm excited to read this and, of course, Book of Death #4. I'm curious to see if the reason for your "buy" recommendation was possibly hinted at in BoD #1?

[DirtbagSailor]

Great review, and great job on all the reviews you've been posting at All-Comic!

I'm excited to read this and, of course, Book of Death #4. I'm curious to see if the reason for your "buy" recommendation was possibly hinted at in BoD #1?

I think so. My guess is BoD #1 is the first cameo appearance in panel, and TFoXO will be the first "Full-Appearance"

It will be worse than the Rai #0 vs EW #4 debate!

[Ras the future fan]

Okay I want my Jhukka mini now, nuff said.

[Brapbrap]

I don't understand what's so bad about aric's death? he died pretty peacefully.

[Keith]

I don't understand what's so bad about aric's death? he died pretty peacefully.

I don't think it necessarily had to be a bad death, does it? We saw how Aric ended, just in this case it was as a new armor worn by his daughter.

[dornwolf]

Rather liked this. I was kind of worried Aric would die young kind of thing so to see he lived a long life with family was great to see. Also loved the new helm that is an awesome design.

[greg]

Since Aric sent Shanhara away, the Aric X-O Manowar armor isn't the only one. Shanhara is somewhere.

[greg]

Great review, and great job on all the reviews you've been posting at All-Comic!

I'm excited to read this and, of course, Book of Death #4. I'm curious to see if the reason for your "buy" recommendation was possibly hinted at in BoD #1?

I think so. My guess is BoD #1 is the first cameo appearance in panel, and TFoXO will be the first "Full-Appearance"

It will be worse than the Rai #0 vs EW #4 debate!

Aric says "I am most proud of my children." The baby in Book of Death #1 might not be Jhukka.

[Keith]

Pure speculation... but the way the father describes GIN-GR in the past tense. Is this post-Fall of Ninjak? I recall in that one there seems to be some question on if Aric is alive or dead. Given his condition in the flashback I could see how that would be a question.

[BugsySig]

1. I believe this issue takes place the earliest of the BoD Fall of books. Aric and Saana seem to have aged normally and Jhukka does not appear older than her 30s. Ninjak's lifespan was increased due to his ability to control the cells of his body, but I'd place that second, followed by Fall of Harby. Bloodshot obviously stretches over a long period, but mostly takes place last IMHO. Gin-gr and Aric's friendship was referred to in the past tense because Aric was dead when the scene was taking place.

2. "Meet you in eternity..." Eternity?

3. Both an origin and a finale. I thought it was a brilliant issue overall.

4. Seemed like Jhukka may have had some fighting lessons from a certain purple-clad ninja. Did anyone else notice the double sais?

[Ras the future fan]

1. I believe this issue takes place the earliest of the BoD Fall of books. Aric and Saana seem to have aged normally and Jhukka does not appear older than her 30s. Ninjak's lifespan was increased due to his ability to control the cells of his body, but I'd place that second, followed by Fall of Harby. Bloodshot obviously stretches over a long period, but mostly takes place last IMHO. Gin-gr and Aric's friendship was referred to in the past tense because Aric was dead when the scene was taking place.

2. "Meet you in eternity..." Eternity?

3. Both an origin and a finale. I thought it was a brilliant issue overall.

4. Seemed like Jhukka may have had some fighting lessons from a certain purple-clad ninja. Did anyone else notice the double sais?

Do you think that FALL OF XO and Analog Man maybe taking place in the same timeline?

[BugsySig]

1. I believe this issue takes place the earliest of the BoD Fall of books. Aric and Saana seem to have aged normally and Jhukka does not appear older than her 30s. Ninjak's lifespan was increased due to his ability to control the cells of his body, but I'd place that second, followed by Fall of Harby. Bloodshot obviously stretches over a long period, but mostly takes place last IMHO. Gin-gr and Aric's friendship was referred to in the past tense because Aric was dead when the scene was taking place.

2. "Meet you in eternity..." Eternity?

3. Both an origin and a finale. I thought it was a brilliant issue overall.

4. Seemed like Jhukka may have had some fighting lessons from a certain purple-clad ninja. Did anyone else notice the double sais?

Do you think that FALL OF XO and Analog Man maybe taking place in the same timeline?

No, I think that's further out. Fall of XO hardly seemed to be in a post-apocalyptic setting.

I'd say Fall of XO is about 40-50 years in the future max. Fall of Ninjak was exactly "100 yrs from now", and Fall of Harbinger was in 2183-2184. My guess is Analogue Man takes place between those two or possibly even after Fall of Harby.

[agent_graves]

I read XO in spurts, so I didn't have high expectations going in, I thought it was a decent read, good clean art by Henry. It was nice seeing the mantle passed down, I have was a little surprised tho, by Trill's change of heart...

[hunter_peterson]

1. I believe this issue takes place the earliest of the BoD Fall of books. Aric and Saana seem to have aged normally and Jhukka does not appear older than her 30s. Ninjak's lifespan was increased due to his ability to control the cells of his body, but I'd place that second, followed by Fall of Harby. Bloodshot obviously stretches over a long period, but mostly takes place last IMHO. Gin-gr and Aric's friendship was referred to in the past tense because Aric was dead when the scene was taking place.

2. "Meet you in eternity..." Eternity?

3. Both an origin and a finale. I thought it was a brilliant issue overall.

4. Seemed like Jhukka may have had some fighting lessons from a certain purple-clad ninja. Did anyone else notice the double sais?

Do you think that FALL OF XO and Analog Man maybe taking place in the same timeline?

No, I think that's further out. Fall of XO hardly seemed to be in a post-apocalyptic setting.

I'd say Fall of XO is about 40-50 years in the future max. Fall of Ninjak was exactly "100 yrs from now", and Fall of Harbinger was in 2183-2184. My guess is Analogue Man takes place between those two or possibly even after Fall of Harby.

That will only make sense if Magic isn't real in that story. But we should also note that XO took place in Italy, so America could well be Mad Max-like at the same time.

[BugsySig]

1. I believe this issue takes place the earliest of the BoD Fall of books. Aric and Saana seem to have aged normally and Jhukka does not appear older than her 30s. Ninjak's lifespan was increased due to his ability to control the cells of his body, but I'd place that second, followed by Fall of Harby. Bloodshot obviously stretches over a long period, but mostly takes place last IMHO. Gin-gr and Aric's friendship was referred to in the past tense because Aric was dead when the scene was taking place.

2. "Meet you in eternity..." Eternity?

3. Both an origin and a finale. I thought it was a brilliant issue overall.

4. Seemed like Jhukka may have had some fighting lessons from a certain purple-clad ninja. Did anyone else notice the double sais?

Do you think that FALL OF XO and Analog Man maybe taking place in the same timeline?

No, I think that's further out. Fall of XO hardly seemed to be in a post-apocalyptic setting.

I'd say Fall of XO is about 40-50 years in the future max. Fall of Ninjak was exactly "100 yrs from now", and Fall of Harbinger was in 2183-2184. My guess is Analogue Man takes place between those two or possibly even after Fall of Harby.

That will only make sense if Magic isn't real in that story. But we should also note that XO took place in Italy, so America could well be Mad Max-like at the same time.

I'll reserve final judgement until Analogue Man comes out, but there are several possible explanations for Magic being there over 50 years in the future. #1 she's pretty young in the present and could easily still be alive 50-60 years from now. #2 she could be a nanite projection or hallucination. #3 Ray could have shared some nanite so with her to keep her alive. The later it takes place, the more likely it's one of the latter.

[hunter_peterson]

1. I believe this issue takes place the earliest of the BoD Fall of books. Aric and Saana seem to have aged normally and Jhukka does not appear older than her 30s. Ninjak's lifespan was increased due to his ability to control the cells of his body, but I'd place that second, followed by Fall of Harby. Bloodshot obviously stretches over a long period, but mostly takes place last IMHO. Gin-gr and Aric's friendship was referred to in the past tense because Aric was dead when the scene was taking place.

2. "Meet you in eternity..." Eternity?

3. Both an origin and a finale. I thought it was a brilliant issue overall.

4. Seemed like Jhukka may have had some fighting lessons from a certain purple-clad ninja. Did anyone else notice the double sais?

Do you think that FALL OF XO and Analog Man maybe taking place in the same timeline?

No, I think that's further out. Fall of XO hardly seemed to be in a post-apocalyptic setting.

I'd say Fall of XO is about 40-50 years in the future max. Fall of Ninjak was exactly "100 yrs from now", and Fall of Harbinger was in 2183-2184. My guess is Analogue Man takes place between those two or possibly even after Fall of Harby.

That will only make sense if Magic isn't real in that story. But we should also note that XO took place in Italy, so America could well be Mad Max-like at the same time.

I'll reserve final judgement until Analogue Man comes out, but there are several possible explanations for Magic being there over 50 years in the future. #1 she's pretty young in the present and could easily still be alive 50-60 years from now. #2 she could be a nanite projection or hallucination. #3 Ray could have shared some nanite so with her to keep her alive. The later it takes place, the more likely it's one of the latter.

That's what I was thinking too.

[jmatt]

Aric says "I am most proud of my children." The baby in Book of Death #1 might not be Jhukka.

Hmm, an interesting observation. Might an older sibling have been passed up for the mantle? Maybe a little rivalry in the future, ala Obie and Takashi in Rai and the Future Force?

A very good issue. Not a lot of fireworks but a fitting passing of the crown. I think the most surprising aspect is what it says about where the Vine are headed, with Trill coming to accept Aric. Didn't see that coming.

[Brapbrap]

I don't understand what's so bad about aric's death? he died pretty peacefully.

I don't think it necessarily had to be a bad death, does it? We saw how Aric ended, just in this case it was as a new armor worn by his daughter.

yeah but didn't tama imply he had a really horrible death in book of death?

But we should also note that XO took place in Italy, so America could well be Mad Max-like at the same time.

Aric died in Nebraska though, I guess potentially Nebraska is fine too since hes in the middle of a desert and we don't know what the rest of America looks like but I would guess analogue man comes after.

[Keith]

I don't understand what's so bad about aric's death? he died pretty peacefully.

I don't think it necessarily had to be a bad death, does it? We saw how Aric ended, just in this case it was as a new armor worn by his daughter.

yeah but didn't tama imply he had a really horrible death in book of death?.

Oh yeah, you're right. That was the implication. So maybe it's something bad that happens to him but doesn't kill him? He is in pretty bad shape in this issue.

[hunter_peterson]

I don't understand what's so bad about aric's death? he died pretty peacefully.

I don't think it necessarily had to be a bad death, does it? We saw how Aric ended, just in this case it was as a new armor worn by his daughter.

yeah but didn't tama imply he had a really horrible death in book of death?

But we should also note that XO took place in Italy, so America could well be Mad Max-like at the same time.

Aric died in Nebraska though, I guess potentially Nebraska is fine too since hes in the middle of a desert and we don't know what the rest of America looks like but I would guess analogue man comes after.

I meant the parts with the second XO could be at the same time as Analog Man, sorry. Should have specified. Aric could have died, contributing to the lack of supers in America, leading to parts of it becoming post-apocalyptic. Or it could just not line up...

[Keith]

I don't understand what's so bad about aric's death? he died pretty peacefully.

I don't think it necessarily had to be a bad death, does it? We saw how Aric ended, just in this case it was as a new armor worn by his daughter.

yeah but didn't tama imply he had a really horrible death in book of death?

But we should also note that XO took place in Italy, so America could well be Mad Max-like at the same time.

Aric died in Nebraska though, I guess potentially Nebraska is fine too since hes in the middle of a desert and we don't know what the rest of America looks like but I would guess analogue man comes after.

I meant the parts with the second XO could be at the same time as Analog Man, sorry. Should have specified. Aric could have died, contributing to the lack of supers in America, leading to parts of it becoming post-apocalyptic. Or it could just not line up...

Or Analog Man is a 'Perfect Day' type situation, and not representative of what America will really be like when Aric dies.

[Keith]

Holy crap... I'm suspicious that the reviewer here only kinda read the issue, or X-O Manowar overall:

http://www.newsarama.com/26452-best-sho ... -more.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[greg]

Holy crap... I'm suspicious that the reviewer here only kinda read the issue, or X-O Manowar overall:

http://www.newsarama.com/26452-best-sho ... -more.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Pretty clear that the reviewer didn't understand that Aric became the armor.

Shanhara was sent away. Jhukka wears the Aric armor... and benefits from the sentience that retains Aric's knowledge/essence/etc.

[hunter_peterson]

Holy crap... I'm suspicious that the reviewer here only kinda read the issue, or X-O Manowar overall:

http://www.newsarama.com/26452-best-sho ... -more.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Pretty clear that the reviewer didn't understand that Aric became the armor.

Shanhara was sent away. Jhukka wears the Aric armor... and benefits from the sentience that retains Aric's knowledge/essence/etc.

I thought that was a really, really nice touch. It sounds like a terrible fate until you realize that if they actually get to choose a successor that they get to essentially live forever in partnership with their favorite child. Aric doesn't die, he just becomes an even better father!