Preview: That book I dont get to read because I wont pay up

[BugsySig]

Also known as Book of Death: Legend of the Geomancer...

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Looks real good. Already shows Nergal and references Dead-Side. Can't wait to pirate this online from someone else's PDF scans!

[Brapbrap]

this does look great, really hope it gets scanned as I will not be able to afford it

nergal death cult are actually really cool, I like how we have seen a lot of them but only in small chunks so we can infer a lot about them and fill in the gaps

[hunter_peterson]

I look forward to reading this someday, looks cool and looks like it'll tidy up A&A lot of the EW mythos, as I had hoped.

[BugsySig]

I look forward to reading this someday, looks cool and looks like it'll tidy up A&A lot of the EW mythos, as I had hoped.

Yup.mjust what I've been asking for. And I won't be able to read it

[kjjohanson]

I'm going to need to go back and read the Eternal Warrior and Shadowman. I don't recall previously whether there's been any link suggested between the Geomancer and the Deadside (as in the last panel).

[ilzuccone]

first time i've ever read a preview.

[NinJZA]

Can't wait to pirate this online from someone else's PDF scans!

I was under the impression that Valiant needed all the sales it could get...

[Sven the Returned]

Just let the mods delete the piracy reference before this gets ugly.

[kjjohanson]

Can't wait to pirate this online from someone else's PDF scans!

I was under the impression that Valiant needed all the sales it could get...

I'd agree that it does, and while I wouldn't pirate it, I'm not a fan of the way they're going about it. I understand the why of it, I just hope it doesn't catch on as a way to go about distributing a book.

[Donovan]

Wow, Jordie Bellaire makes this sing. I wasn't a big fan of the lineart, but the finished product looks great! Can't wait to get this (at my LCS!!!)

[BugsySig]

Can't wait to pirate this online from someone else's PDF scans!

I was under the impression that Valiant needed all the sales it could get...

I've bought every book VEI has published (except Q2) since the launch, as well as several of the Deluxe Editions. And now, since I read my books digitally, they aren't letting me give them my money for this. Their loss. But I don't think they're hurtin. You know, that whole DMG, multi-million dollar deal, right?

Just let the mods delete the piracy reference before this gets ugly.

Chillax, dude, its a joke. Besides, we've said worse than that in the LotG thread and the mod's here don't work for VEI and censor anything anti-VALIANT (ask Cray_ws). I'm sure Dino and everyone else at VEI knows many of our feelings on it and are well aware of the rampant piracy of comic books. They also likely know that the "hardcore" readers they want to seek this book out are going to do so by whatever means are available to them. Especially if they're not willing to shell out the money to order it themselves or through an LCS.

FWIW, I have never pirated anything from comics, to movies, to music (at least not since it actually became a law...the late 90s were a little sketchy on that). And I don't plan on seeking out anything of the sort for this. If it becomes available to me, so be it. It's the first thing VEI has done which has *SQUEE* me off, but its small potatoes compared to Marvel and DC.

[lorddunlow]

I pirate when I cannot obtain things in the "legal" way. Example: I cannot purchase a way to play Mike Tyson's Punch-Out in a way that would benefit Nintendo, the creator of that game. You can buy Punch-Out with Mr. Dream (no Mike Tyson because of expiration of licensing deal), but not the original. Therefore, I play the original on an emulator. That might technically be illegal (but in this instance it is actually very grey even as far as laws are written), but morally, I see no problem.

As far as this book is concerned, it's not available digitally. I actually put my money down for all 4 issues (Thanks, Ed!), but I always read digitally, so I'll likely be seeking out a scan of this book to read in my preferred format.

I also pirate old TV shows for which DVD sets were never released or released many years ago and are now out of print. The company/creators don't allow me to give them money, so I download copies.

This is something I love discussing. In my opinion, the cottage industry GameStop has created with resale of games is much more morally wrong than pirating a game to try it out before buying it (if there is not a demo).

[ilzuccone]

I pirate when I cannot obtain things in the "legal" way. Example: I cannot purchase a way to play Mike Tyson's Punch-Out in a way that would benefit Nintendo, the creator of that game. You can buy Punch-Out with Mr. Dream (no Mike Tyson because of expiration of licensing deal), but not the original. Therefore, I play the original on an emulator. That might technically be illegal (but in this instance it is actually very grey even as far as laws are written), but morally, I see no problem.

As far as this book is concerned, it's not available digitally. I actually put my money down for all 4 issues (Thanks, Ed!), but I always read digitally, so I'll likely be seeking out a scan of this book to read in my preferred format.

I also pirate old TV shows for which DVD sets were never released or released many years ago and are now out of print. The company/creators don't allow me to give them money, so I download copies.

This is something I love discussing. In my opinion, the cottage industry GameStop has created with resale of games is much more morally wrong than pirating a game to try it out before buying it (if there is not a demo).

sounds like a lot of effort to rationalize stealing mike tyson's punch out.

i grew up with napster. i think everything should be free. fight the system!

[Donovan]

If we don't have a consensus on the availability of this book by the end of this page of posts, I'll be surprised.

Y'all are SOOOOOO close to convincing someone to change their mind on the subject- DON'T STOP NOW!

[lorddunlow]

I pirate when I cannot obtain things in the "legal" way. Example: I cannot purchase a way to play Mike Tyson's Punch-Out in a way that would benefit Nintendo, the creator of that game. You can buy Punch-Out with Mr. Dream (no Mike Tyson because of expiration of licensing deal), but not the original. Therefore, I play the original on an emulator. That might technically be illegal (but in this instance it is actually very grey even as far as laws are written), but morally, I see no problem.

As far as this book is concerned, it's not available digitally. I actually put my money down for all 4 issues (Thanks, Ed!), but I always read digitally, so I'll likely be seeking out a scan of this book to read in my preferred format.

I also pirate old TV shows for which DVD sets were never released or released many years ago and are now out of print. The company/creators don't allow me to give them money, so I download copies.

This is something I love discussing. In my opinion, the cottage industry GameStop has created with resale of games is much more morally wrong than pirating a game to try it out before buying it (if there is not a demo).

sounds like a lot of effort to rationalize stealing mike tyson's punch out.

i grew up with napster. i think everything should be free. fight the system!

I disagree that everything should be free (I'm not sure if you were joking or not), as I strongly feel creators (and the companies that take risk to get the creations made and distributed) should be compensated for their work. It just irks me that licensing/exclusives/cost-benefit analysis/etc. keep me from giving my money to creators/companies for a product. Especially when it is available "extra-legally". It's either laziness or strategy to create false scarcity. I tolerate neither. When I can give money to creators/companies for content, I do so. If I can't, then I'll pirate until I can.

[lorddunlow]

Wow, Jordie Bellaire makes this sing. I wasn't a big fan of the lineart, but the finished product looks great! Can't wait to get this (at my LCS!!!)

Jordie Bellaire is awesome.

[greg]

The fact that people on the internet pirate things is well known.

Providing any links to pirated things will be removed.
(As of this posting, no one in this topic has provided any links that needed to be deleted.)

I view it as the difference between saying, "I am a criminal" and "I am a criminal, click here to learn how you can become one too!"

No links.

[ilzuccone]

I pirate when I cannot obtain things in the "legal" way. Example: I cannot purchase a way to play Mike Tyson's Punch-Out in a way that would benefit Nintendo, the creator of that game. You can buy Punch-Out with Mr. Dream (no Mike Tyson because of expiration of licensing deal), but not the original. Therefore, I play the original on an emulator. That might technically be illegal (but in this instance it is actually very grey even as far as laws are written), but morally, I see no problem.

As far as this book is concerned, it's not available digitally. I actually put my money down for all 4 issues (Thanks, Ed!), but I always read digitally, so I'll likely be seeking out a scan of this book to read in my preferred format.

I also pirate old TV shows for which DVD sets were never released or released many years ago and are now out of print. The company/creators don't allow me to give them money, so I download copies.

This is something I love discussing. In my opinion, the cottage industry GameStop has created with resale of games is much more morally wrong than pirating a game to try it out before buying it (if there is not a demo).

sounds like a lot of effort to rationalize stealing mike tyson's punch out.

i grew up with napster. i think everything should be free. fight the system!

I disagree that everything should be free (I'm not sure if you were joking or not), as I strongly feel creators (and the companies that take risk to get the creations made and distributed) should be compensated for their work. It just irks me that licensing/exclusives/cost-benefit analysis/etc. keep me from giving my money to creators/companies for a product. Especially when it is available "extra-legally". It's either laziness or strategy to create false scarcity. I tolerate neither. When I can give money to creators/companies for content, I do so. If I can't, then I'll pirate until I can.

not joking. haven't done it in a long while because i don't consume that much media anymore. if you can find it for free digitally i say go for it. unless the item is really a creator owned product. some guy in his basement creates a piece of code. sure pay for that. anything from a big company… take take take. they do it to you. they do it to the creator. these companies make millions/ billions and the creator gets thousands. if he's lucky hundreds of thousands. they lie cheat and steal. why not me?

i'm a creator. i say take it. i would rather you enjoy my brain baby than not.

[BugsySig]

The fact that people on the internet pirate things is well known.

Providing any links to pirated things will be removed.
(As of this posting, no one in this topic has provided any links that needed to be deleted.)

I view it as the difference between saying, "I am a criminal" and "I am a criminal, click here to learn how you can become one too!"

No links.

Perfectly fair. You have always allowed anyone to talk freely, but allowing a link would be the equivalent of promoting the action (and even have legal consequences). I'd do the same thing.

[cray_ws]

Preview looks really sweet. It's unfortunate that this book may lead me to abandon Valiant if I can't buy this book digitally at a reasonable price. I was fine with VEI's slow progress until this marketing fiasco. Now I'm just itching to find another reason not to buy their books. Honestly wouldn't miss Valiant as much as I think I would, considering that in my entire reading career I've always followed a whole continuity-verse line, whether it was Wildstorm, Crossgen, or Malibu comics. I have never thought I could go without one. I been really getting a lot more satisfaction from Image, Boom, IDW and yes even select Dynamite titles.

I really hope this book is made available for public consumption. I have no problems with paying for a digital copy. As for pirating, not worth the hassle.

[jeremycoe]

Preview looks really sweet. It's unfortunate that this book may lead me to abandon Valiant if I can't buy this book digitally at a reasonable price. I was fine with VEI's slow progress until this marketing fiasco. Now I'm just itching to find another reason not to buy their books. Honestly wouldn't miss Valiant as much as I think I would, considering that in my entire reading career I've always followed a whole continuity-verse line, whether it was Wildstorm, Crossgen, or Malibu comics. I have never thought I could go without one. I been really getting a lot more satisfaction from Image, Boom, IDW and yes even select Dynamite (sucks!) titles.

I really hope this book is made available for public consumption. I have no problems with paying for a digital copy. As for pirating, not worth the hassle.

Then why are you still here? They've said multiple times it WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE DIGITALLY.

[BugsySig]

Preview looks really sweet. It's unfortunate that this book may lead me to abandon Valiant if I can't buy this book digitally at a reasonable price. I was fine with VEI's slow progress until this marketing fiasco. Now I'm just itching to find another reason not to buy their books. Honestly wouldn't miss Valiant as much as I think I would, considering that in my entire reading career I've always followed a whole continuity-verse line, whether it was Wildstorm, Crossgen, or Malibu comics. I have never thought I could go without one. I been really getting a lot more satisfaction from Image, Boom, IDW and yes even select Dynamite (sucks!) (sucks!) titles.

I really hope this book is made available for public consumption. I have no problems with paying for a digital copy. As for pirating, not worth the hassle.

Then why are you still here? They've said multiple times it WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE DIGITALLY.

That's what they said about the Rai and Dr. Mirage plus edition material and that all wound up online (not for purchase but free on the VEI website).

If this doesn't end up released digitally (say after all 4 issues have been released to retailers) or collected in a BoD hardcover, I'd be very surprised. At some point it's just smart business to make it available to be purchased in some form beyond as an incentive.

[jeremycoe]

Preview looks really sweet. It's unfortunate that this book may lead me to abandon Valiant if I can't buy this book digitally at a reasonable price. I was fine with VEI's slow progress until this marketing fiasco. Now I'm just itching to find another reason not to buy their books. Honestly wouldn't miss Valiant as much as I think I would, considering that in my entire reading career I've always followed a whole continuity-verse line, whether it was Wildstorm, Crossgen, or Malibu comics. I have never thought I could go without one. I been really getting a lot more satisfaction from Image, Boom, IDW and yes even select Dynamite (sucks!) (sucks!) (sucks!) titles.

I really hope this book is made available for public consumption. I have no problems with paying for a digital copy. As for pirating, not worth the hassle.

Then why are you still here? They've said multiple times it WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE DIGITALLY.

That's what they said about the Rai and Dr. Mirage plus edition material and that all wound up online (not for purchase but free on the VEI website).

If this doesn't end up released digitally (say after all 4 issues have been released to retailers) or collected in a BoD hardcover, I'd be very surprised. At some point it's just smart business to make it available to be purchased in some form beyond as an incentive.

Sure, but if it not being available online is what will drive you away - at what point are you (not you specifically) leaving. Do you wait 4 months? 8 months? 5 years? If I'm "just itching to find another reason not to buy their books" then really I should just not buy their books.

Also, I was not aware that the plus edition material was on the website. I have no problem with that, though.

[kjjohanson]

I pirate when I cannot obtain things in the "legal" way. Example: I cannot purchase a way to play Mike Tyson's Punch-Out in a way that would benefit Nintendo, the creator of that game. You can buy Punch-Out with Mr. Dream (no Mike Tyson because of expiration of licensing deal), but not the original. Therefore, I play the original on an emulator. That might technically be illegal (but in this instance it is actually very grey even as far as laws are written), but morally, I see no problem.

As far as this book is concerned, it's not available digitally. I actually put my money down for all 4 issues (Thanks, Ed!), but I always read digitally, so I'll likely be seeking out a scan of this book to read in my preferred format.

I also pirate old TV shows for which DVD sets were never released or released many years ago and are now out of print. The company/creators don't allow me to give them money, so I download copies.

This is something I love discussing. In my opinion, the cottage industry GameStop has created with resale of games is much more morally wrong than pirating a game to try it out before buying it (if there is not a demo).

sounds like a lot of effort to rationalize stealing mike tyson's punch out.

i grew up with napster. i think everything should be free. fight the system!

I disagree that everything should be free (I'm not sure if you were joking or not), as I strongly feel creators (and the companies that take risk to get the creations made and distributed) should be compensated for their work. It just irks me that licensing/exclusives/cost-benefit analysis/etc. keep me from giving my money to creators/companies for a product. Especially when it is available "extra-legally". It's either laziness or strategy to create false scarcity. I tolerate neither. When I can give money to creators/companies for content, I do so. If I can't, then I'll pirate until I can.

Dude, you're not getting a Manimal DVD box set because no one else wants a Manimal DVD box set. Get over it.

[kjjohanson]

Preview looks really sweet. It's unfortunate that this book may lead me to abandon Valiant if I can't buy this book digitally at a reasonable price. I was fine with VEI's slow progress until this marketing fiasco. Now I'm just itching to find another reason not to buy their books. Honestly wouldn't miss Valiant as much as I think I would, considering that in my entire reading career I've always followed a whole continuity-verse line, whether it was Wildstorm, Crossgen, or Malibu comics. I have never thought I could go without one. I been really getting a lot more satisfaction from Image, Boom, IDW and yes even select Dynamite (sucks!) (sucks!) (sucks!) titles.

I really hope this book is made available for public consumption. I have no problems with paying for a digital copy. As for pirating, not worth the hassle.

Then why are you still here? They've said multiple times it WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE DIGITALLY.

That's what they said about the Rai and Dr. Mirage plus edition material and that all wound up online (not for purchase but free on the VEI website).

If this doesn't end up released digitally (say after all 4 issues have been released to retailers) or collected in a BoD hardcover, I'd be very surprised. At some point it's just smart business to make it available to be purchased in some form beyond as an incentive.

I had a lengthy discussion with Fred Pierce at NY Special Edition about the promotion. I did point out that they said it wouldn't be collected for a trade or available digitally, but that they didn't rule out collecting it for a hard cover. He didn't confirm that it would, but he seemed very careful not to deny that it would be. What I came away with was that we should expect a HC collection of both minis and the one shots.