Don't be an attractive VEI female

[ilzuccone]

Because you will probably die first

[hunter_peterson]

Female deaths are actually in the vast minority... so your statement literally makes no sense. And even Faith is considered highly desirable in some circles, so attractiveness isn't even a factor.

I think there's actually a lot more evidence to say; if you are our hero's closest male friend or family member, you die first. That's happened over and over!

[ilzuccone]

you my friend are my favorite buzz kill


jokes is jokes and i never said anything about faith being ugly but thanks for the assumption.

[ilzuccone]

[first_citizenx]

I agree with ilzuccone

[depluto]

If I'm gonna die for a word, my word is ...

[Elveen]

If I'm gonna die for a word, my word is ...

PumpkinHead!

[ilzuccone]

ha!
it is a good label to die with.

[myron]

Female deaths are actually in the vast minority... so your statement literally makes no sense. And even Faith is considered highly desirable in some circles, so attractiveness isn't even a factor.

I think there's actually a lot more evidence to say; if you are our hero's closest male friend or family member, you die first. That's happened over and over!

is this an attempt at a chicloing?

[lorddunlow]

LOL

[ilzuccone]

LOL

i really wish there were more episodes of that show. it's a very clever premise.

[depluto]

Bring back Erica Pierce!

[hunter_peterson]

you my friend are my favorite buzz kill


jokes is jokes and i never said anything about faith being ugly but thanks for the assumption.

Sorry, people keep insisting that there's a women in refrigerators problem and it's beginning to annoy me.

EDIT: And they really need a punctuation mark for sarcasm! Online it gets confusing.

[ilzuccone]

ah forgot about the fridge thing.

the "trinity syndrome" is a good one to look into.

[hunter_peterson]

[quote="ilzuccone"] ah forgot about the fridge thing.

the "[url=https://thedissolve.com/features/exposi ... ers-to-tr/]trinity syndrome[/url]" is a good one to look into. [/quote]

Pretty interesting article. I don't agree with every example, but it's well reasoned. (I mean, Hiccup's mom was clearly introduced for the third movie.) It's funny how avoiding stereotypes creates new ones.

EDIT: Also to clarify; I think Faith is generally drawn as quite pretty, but quite obese. Which is, you know... refreshing to see, but still generally unhealthy to be.

EDITING MADE THE QUOTES DIE

[lorddunlow]

ah forgot about the fridge thing.

the "trinity syndrome" is a good one to look into.

Pretty interesting article. I don't agree with every example, but it's well reasoned. (I mean, Hiccup's mom was clearly introduced for the third movie.) It's funny how avoiding stereotypes creates new ones.

EDIT: Also to clarify; I think Faith is generally drawn as quite pretty, but quite obese. Which is, you know... refreshing to see, but still generally unhealthy to be.

EDITING MADE THE QUOTES DIE

This is quite possibly my worst tangent, but I gave a Grand Rounds presentation about obesity research and myths in my final year of residency. I reviewed a huge amount of obesity literature including tons of huge epidemiological studies on weight and mortality/morbidity.

What the media, health food industry, diet industry, and exercise industry tell everyone isn't really that accurate.

First of all BMI sucks as a predictive measure. To use a example we're all familiar with, we've all seen DBS is pretty ripped. No one would think he isn't in good physical shape. I can almost guarantee that his BMI puts him at least in the overweight category if not obese. That's ridiculous. BMI is quick and easy. That's the only reason it is used. Anybody with increased muscle mass has a higher BMI. That's not to say people with a high BMI aren't unhealthy.

Secondly, the largest epidemiological studies ever done were done in Norway and Sweden involving tens of thousands of people. What is seen is that by current definitions overweight is healthier than normal weight, underweight, and obese.

The most enlightening part of my research into this is that weight (as an independent variable) really has very little bearing on mortality, and only has a direct correlation with diseases like diabetes and hypertension. All other health problems attributed to obesity simply do not show a correlation to weight like the media (and even most medical "research") would have you believe.

In fact, dieting with the goal of losing weight is more associated with health problems and mortality than being overweight or obese.

Activity level correlates much better to health than weight.

Focusing on weight is just a way to medicalize a form of discrimination.

[hunter_peterson]

ah forgot about the fridge thing.

the "trinity syndrome" is a good one to look into.

Pretty interesting article. I don't agree with every example, but it's well reasoned. (I mean, Hiccup's mom was clearly introduced for the third movie.) It's funny how avoiding stereotypes creates new ones.

EDIT: Also to clarify; I think Faith is generally drawn as quite pretty, but quite obese. Which is, you know... refreshing to see, but still generally unhealthy to be.

EDITING MADE THE QUOTES DIE

This is quite possibly my worst tangent, but I gave a Grand Rounds presentation about obesity research and myths in my final year of residency. I reviewed a huge amount of obesity literature including tons of huge epidemiological studies on weight and mortality/morbidity.

What the media, health food industry, diet industry, and exercise industry tell everyone isn't really that accurate.

First of all BMI sucks as a predictive measure. To use a example we're all familiar with, we've all seen DBS is pretty ripped. No one would think he isn't in good physical shape. I can almost guarantee that his BMI puts him at least in the overweight category if not obese. That's ridiculous. BMI is quick and easy. That's the only reason it is used. Anybody with increased muscle mass has a higher BMI. That's not to say people with a high BMI aren't unhealthy.

Secondly, the largest epidemiological studies ever done were done in Norway and Sweden involving tens of thousands of people. What is seen is that by current definitions overweight is healthier than normal weight, underweight, and obese.

The most enlightening part of my research into this is that weight (as an independent variable) really has very little bearing on mortality, and only has a direct correlation with diseases like diabetes and hypertension. All other health problems attributed to obesity simply do not show a correlation to weight like the media (and even most medical "research") would have you believe.

In fact, dieting with the goal of losing weight is more associated with health problems and mortality than being overweight or obese.

Activity level correlates much better to health than weight.

Focusing on weight is just a way to medicalize a form of discrimination.

And I agree with all that. BMI is idiotic and not particularly useful, and the weight doctors use as "ideal" is actually under what is the most healthy. And diets are often messed up, when it makes more sense to just try and eat balanced and then moderate the amount you eat. Super-skinny is probably even more unhealthy, though I've not looked at studies on that.

But when I say "obesity" I don't mean chubby people or people with different body types- I mean people who are very fat. Which still tends to heighten risks for heart disease, diabetes and the like, largely due to the lifestyles one has to lead to maintain such an extreme figure. Basically, if you can't see your toes or junk, you're too fat, IMHO. And that generally indicates higher risk for lots of maladies.

So I suppose I'm just saying "weight" because that's how people talk about it, but I actually mean fattiness. I mean, the Rock is overweight, but I'd be shocked if he has the diseases associated with obesity.

That said, my father is nearly sixty and was quite fat a year or two ago, but the doctors were consistently shocked at how healthy he was on the inside (perfectly so). So obviously some people's biology handles different weights better or worse. It's nature, it isn't wholly consistent.

But in thinking about this, a greater health risk with Faith occurred to me. She's been floating for years now in an anti-gravity field. That either has to be degenerating her body or she's somehow adapted to live in zero-g with no ill effects, which would make her highly useful for research on space travel.

[lorddunlow]

I forgot to add a point about other metrics. Height is actually correlated to a lot of health issues. The taller one is, the more likely they are to suffer from heart problems and eye problems. Nobody tells people they're too tall and need to control their height to be healthier.

Height is genetically determined just like weight. It is silly to try to alter those metrics for reasons of health. It is has been shown in many studies that a person will be healthier if they focus on eating a balanced diet with regular exercise than if they focus on weight. This applies to all people, not just those who tend to be overweight or obese (genetic predisposition).

In fact in my field of Pediatrics, I see this played out in adolescents. Prepubertal weight has no bearing on post-pubertal weight. A "normal" weight kid who eats junk food and has no physical activity will become an obese adult after puberty. An obese child who eats a balanced diet and is very active will "grow into their weight" during their pubertal growth spurt.

Focusing efforts on losing weight sets obese people up for failure as they think they've failed at improving health if they don't lose a set amount of weight (when in fact any amount of regular activity will improve their health). Focusing on weight also leaves out the equally unhealthy normal and underweight people who then are never encouraged to eat well and exercise.

It's very frustrating.

[hunter_peterson]

I forgot to add a point about other metrics. Height is actually correlated to a lot of health issues. The taller one is, the more likely they are to suffer from heart problems and eye problems. Nobody tells people they're too tall and need to control their height to be healthier.

Height is genetically determined just like weight. It is silly to try to alter those metrics for reasons of health. It is has been shown in many studies that a person will be healthier if they focus on eating a balanced diet with regular exercise than if they focus on weight. This applies to all people, not just those who tend to be overweight or obese (genetic predisposition).

In fact in my field of Pediatrics, I see this played out in adolescents. Prepubertal weight has no bearing on post-pubertal weight. A "normal" weight kid who eats junk food and has no physical activity will become an obese adult after puberty. An obese child who eats a balanced diet and is very active will "grow into their weight" during their pubertal growth spurt.

Focusing efforts on losing weight sets obese people up for failure as they think they've failed at improving health if they don't lose a set amount of weight (when in fact any amount of regular activity will improve their health). Focusing on weight also leaves out the equally unhealthy normal and underweight people who then are never encouraged to eat well and exercise.

It's very frustrating.

I agree. That's why I clarified that I actually meant fattiness as opposed to body weight. Weight is just an extremely sloppy measure for body fat percentage, but that's the idiom used (probably to avoid offence by not saying "fat"). Which is dumb, IMHO. I think I'll avoid using it in the future.

[lorddunlow]

I forgot to add a point about other metrics. Height is actually correlated to a lot of health issues. The taller one is, the more likely they are to suffer from heart problems and eye problems. Nobody tells people they're too tall and need to control their height to be healthier.

Height is genetically determined just like weight. It is silly to try to alter those metrics for reasons of health. It is has been shown in many studies that a person will be healthier if they focus on eating a balanced diet with regular exercise than if they focus on weight. This applies to all people, not just those who tend to be overweight or obese (genetic predisposition).

In fact in my field of Pediatrics, I see this played out in adolescents. Prepubertal weight has no bearing on post-pubertal weight. A "normal" weight kid who eats junk food and has no physical activity will become an obese adult after puberty. An obese child who eats a balanced diet and is very active will "grow into their weight" during their pubertal growth spurt.

Focusing efforts on losing weight sets obese people up for failure as they think they've failed at improving health if they don't lose a set amount of weight (when in fact any amount of regular activity will improve their health). Focusing on weight also leaves out the equally unhealthy normal and underweight people who then are never encouraged to eat well and exercise.

It's very frustrating.

I agree. That's why I clarified that I actually meant fattiness as opposed to body weight. Weight is just an extremely sloppy measure for body fat percentage, but that's the idiom used (probably to avoid offence by not saying "fat"). Which is dumb, IMHO. I think I'll avoid using it in the future.

I actually choose not to comment on weight at all. In my mind, it's no different than making judgments on skin color or sexual orientation (both of which can also have an effect on health - i.e. different risk factors).

[depluto]

I'll tell you what sucks about being a 2XL shirt ... shopping options. I ain't going in no Tall and Fat store.

"If you want to look thin, hang out with fat people." -- Thornton Mellon

[ilzuccone]

i just think hot chicks tend to die in vei universe…

[jeremycoe]

I'll tell you what sucks about being a 2XL shirt ... shopping options. I ain't going in no Tall and Fat store.

"If you want to look thin, hang out with fat people." -- Thornton Mellon

I feel thin whenever I go to a buffet.

[lorddunlow]

i just think hot chicks tend to die in vei universe…

Agreed.

[jmatt]

i just think hot chicks tend to die in vei universe…

None 'hotter' than Flamingo.