Supreme Returns

dornwolf · Post by **dornwolf** » Mon Apr 21, 2014 2:23 pm

Rob Leifelds Supreme returns. Okay I admit he came back before but Larsen ruined Alan Moores take on the character that changes as Warren Ellis will be writing him now. So not only is he a busy boy this also solves something many have always wanted Warren Ellis to write Superman

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/04/21/ ... s-supreme/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

lorddunlow · Post by **lorddunlow** » Mon Apr 21, 2014 2:33 pm

I saw this and was pretty excited. I really liked Supreme.

dornwolf · Post by **dornwolf** » Mon Apr 21, 2014 2:52 pm

lorddunlow wrote:I saw this and was pretty excited. I really liked Supreme.

I loved Alan Moores take so I'm hoping for something close to it.

dornwolf · Post by **dornwolf** » Sun May 04, 2014 12:49 am

Supreme must be pretty far along Bleeding Cool already has some preview of it off tumblr

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/04/30/ ... blue-rose/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I've got nothing...on the other hand I've now got my hands on the other trade for Supreme so I have Alan Moores complete run

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Mon May 05, 2014 5:28 pm

I hope that Supreme Returns is better than Superman Returns.

Tim · Post by **Tim** » Mon May 05, 2014 7:29 pm

In related news, Moon Knight will begin a new bi-yearly schedule starting in July.

dornwolf · Post by **dornwolf** » Tue May 06, 2014 1:52 am

Chiclo wrote:I hope that Supreme Returns is better than Superman Returns.

Keep in mind the title it self is Supreme: Blue Rose and as long as it's better than Larsens run it will already be a mile a head.

Tim wrote:In related news, Moon Knight will begin a new bi-yearly schedule starting in July.

Is this a joke or are you serious? If true what the heck is bi-yearly

Tim · Post by **Tim** » Tue May 06, 2014 6:58 am

dornwolf wrote:
Chiclo wrote:I hope that Supreme Returns is better than Superman Returns.
Keep in mind the title it self is Supreme: Blue Rose and as long as it's better than Larsens run it will already be a mile a head.

Tim wrote:In related news, Moon Knight will begin a new bi-yearly schedule starting in July.
Is this a joke or are you serious? If true what the heck is bi-yearly

Just a comment about how Ellis isn't able to get one book out on schedule for any stretch of time much less two. Bi-yearly means an issue every six months.

The Dirt Gang · Post by **The Dirt Gang** » Tue May 06, 2014 9:05 am

I loved Alan Moore's run on Supreme. They are my favorite Superman stories (granted I've never read much Superman).

I have several issues from Larsen's run but have not read them. I hope Ellis can live up to all the great stuff in the Moore run.

I enjoyed most all of Moore's work on Leifeld's characters. I'm not a Leifeld fan but think other creators have done some really great work with his properties.

lorddunlow · Post by **lorddunlow** » Tue May 06, 2014 10:33 am

The Dirt Gang wrote:I loved Alan Moore's run on Supreme. They are my favorite Superman stories (granted I've never read much Superman).

I have several issues from Larsen's run but have not read them. I hope Ellis can live up to all the great stuff in the Moore run.

I enjoyed most all of Moore's work on Leifeld's characters. I'm not a Leifeld fan but think other creators have done some really great work with his properties.

Liefeld really made a living in a field that he is not best suited for. He needs to be a character designer. For film, games, comics, everything. He excels at creating interesting characters.

I think all of the time how awesome a Street Fighter/Mortal Kombat style game with characters designed by Liefeld would be. Each character could have a move that rips their feet off and throws them at their opponents.

This post is not a joke. I'm serious.

(p.s. I spent about 30 minutes when I awoke this morning looking through the deviantArt page of a video game character designer for Microsoft.)

The Dirt Gang · Post by **The Dirt Gang** » Tue May 06, 2014 10:50 am

LordDunlow - I agree completely and love the video game concept.

Ellis' concept and the artwork look great on this. I think one of Leifeld's other great strengths is surrounded himself with talented people (at least in the later years).

I'm glad he's given free reign to folks like Brandon Graham and Joe Keatinge. It appears he is doing the same with Ellis.

Does anyone remember years ago before the Alan Moore run when they were running advertisements for Shooter writing Youngblood? I was very disappointed it never happened.

leonmallett · Post by **leonmallett** » Tue May 06, 2014 12:23 pm

Tim wrote:
dornwolf wrote:
Chiclo wrote:I hope that Supreme Returns is better than Superman Returns.
Keep in mind the title it self is Supreme: Blue Rose and as long as it's better than Larsens run it will already be a mile a head.

Tim wrote:In related news, Moon Knight will begin a new bi-yearly schedule starting in July.
Is this a joke or are you serious? If true what the heck is bi-yearly
Just a comment about how Ellis isn't able to get one book out on schedule for any stretch of time much less two. Bi-yearly means an issue every six months.

Bi-yearly would be every two years.

I think you mean semi-annually.

dornwolf · Post by **dornwolf** » Tue May 06, 2014 1:40 pm

The Dirt Gang wrote:I loved Alan Moore's run on Supreme. They are my favorite Superman stories (granted I've never read much Superman).

I've always called it "the best Superman story not written about Superman". Having both volumes now I realize a lot of the detail Moore did in the story. I thinks it's some of his best work and clearly reads like someone enjoying his time in the industry.

Tim · Post by **Tim** » Wed Jun 04, 2014 8:34 pm

Tim wrote:In related news, Moon Knight will begin a new bi-yearly schedule starting in July.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page ... e&id=53236" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Called it!

(well....basically)

Cyberstrike · Post by **Cyberstrike** » Thu Jun 05, 2014 6:45 am

So Ellis is writing Supreme for Image and Project: Superpowers for Dynamite. My guess he will write no more than 6 issues max for each of them.

wwise03 · Post by **wwise03** » Thu Jun 05, 2014 10:21 am

I have pre-order Supreme: Blue Rose based on the art, though I have absolutely no knowledge of any Supreme series that came before. Will I be able to jump into this book without having to track down the old books?

The Dirt Gang · Post by **The Dirt Gang** » Thu Jun 05, 2014 10:34 am

wwise03 wrote:I have pre-order Supreme: Blue Rose based on the art, though I have absolutely no knowledge of any Supreme series that came before. Will I be able to jump into this book without having to track down the old books?

Having read the previous Alan Moore Supreme run, it doesn't appear that you would need to. Ellis' take seems very different.

I love Ellis' work but I hesitate to pick anything up since he seems to have trouble getting this out in a timely fashion. Although, this does look like a fascinating take on Supreme.

Cyberstrike · Post by **Cyberstrike** » Thu Jun 05, 2014 7:14 pm

wwise03 wrote:I have pre-order Supreme: Blue Rose based on the art, though I have absolutely no knowledge of any Supreme series that came before. Will I be able to jump into this book without having to track down the old books?

I don't know about that, but I would highly recommend reading Alan Moore's run on Supreme just on own it's merits. It's a great read and it's a real masterpiece it own right as he shows the reconstruction of the superhero. It's full of weird, wacky, funny, and downright wonderful ideas, and is a great counterpart to Watchmen. It also shows Moore's talent as a writer to deconstruct the superhero and then reconstruct the superhero. Now Liefeld did let another company called Checker Books (this was before Liefeld and the rest of the Image founders kissed and made up after years of bad blood between them) reprint in three volumes called: Supreme: The Story of the Year, Supreme: The Return, and Judgement Day which is technically not a just Supreme story since it involves all of Liefeld's characters and Moore remakes all of them and adds a lot new characters of his creation and Joe Simon and Jack Kirby's Fighting American and Moore remakes the whole empty Extreme/Awesome Universe into something much better. It's a shame that Moore never got a chance to show what he could do with them.

If I had any real problem with Moore's run on Supreme it's the art. The flashbacks done by Rick Veith are great recreations of Gold, Silver, and Bronze Ages art styles (in particular in Supreme: The Return #6 in which he really captures Jack Kirby better than any other artist out there you will almost believe it was drawn by the ghost of Jack Kirby), but the present day art runs the gamut from great-to-medicore.

The Dirt Gang · Post by **The Dirt Gang** » Fri Jun 06, 2014 7:38 am

Cyberstrike - I couldn't agree more. It really hit it's stride when Chris Sprouse came on board. It's a shame he didn't get to wrap up all his story lines. I liked his Judgement Day and Youngblood work as well.

dornwolf · Post by **dornwolf** » Fri Jun 13, 2014 3:04 pm

Cyberstrike wrote:
wwise03 wrote:I have pre-order Supreme: Blue Rose based on the art, though I have absolutely no knowledge of any Supreme series that came before. Will I be able to jump into this book without having to track down the old books?

I don't know about that, but I would highly recommend reading Alan Moore's run on Supreme just on own it's merits. It's a great read and it's a real masterpiece it own right as he shows the reconstruction of the superhero. It's full of weird, wacky, funny, and downright wonderful ideas, and is a great counterpart to Watchmen. It also shows Moore's talent as a writer to deconstruct the superhero and then reconstruct the superhero. Now Liefeld did let another company called Checker Books (this was before Liefeld and the rest of the Image founders kissed and made up after years of bad blood between them) reprint in three volumes called: Supreme: The Story of the Year, Supreme: The Return, and Judgement Day which is technically not a just Supreme story since it involves all of Liefeld's characters and Moore remakes all of them and adds a lot new characters of his creation and Joe Simon and Jack Kirby's Fighting American and Moore remakes the whole empty Extreme/Awesome Universe into something much better. It's a shame that Moore never got a chance to show what he could do with them.

If I had any real problem with Moore's run on Supreme it's the art. The flashbacks done by Rick Veith are great recreations of Gold, Silver, and Bronze Ages art styles (in particular in Supreme: The Return #6 in which he really captures Jack Kirby better than any other artist out there you will almost believe it was drawn by the ghost of Jack Kirby), but the present day art runs the gamut from great-to-medicore.

I agree if its done right you shouldn't but deep down go get those books. If Watchmen made things grim and dark that run on Supreme showed you could have a deep story and make it fun. Best part is when Not-Clark and Not-Lois are talking in her apartment about Supremes love life.

Just avoid Larsens take like the plague I beg of you.

The Dirt Gang · Post by **The Dirt Gang** » Fri Jun 13, 2014 3:21 pm

dornwolf wrote: Just avoid Larsens take like the plague I beg of you.

I bought a lot of Larsen's run minus the last issue but I've yet to read them. Now I feel like I might have wasted my money.

Is the first one where he used Alan Moore's script any good?

Cyberstrike · Post by **Cyberstrike** » Sat Jun 14, 2014 7:42 am

dornwolf wrote:
Cyberstrike wrote:
wwise03 wrote:I have pre-order Supreme: Blue Rose based on the art, though I have absolutely no knowledge of any Supreme series that came before. Will I be able to jump into this book without having to track down the old books?

I don't know about that, but I would highly recommend reading Alan Moore's run on Supreme just on own it's merits. It's a great read and it's a real masterpiece it own right as he shows the reconstruction of the superhero. It's full of weird, wacky, funny, and downright wonderful ideas, and is a great counterpart to Watchmen. It also shows Moore's talent as a writer to deconstruct the superhero and then reconstruct the superhero. Now Liefeld did let another company called Checker Books (this was before Liefeld and the rest of the Image founders kissed and made up after years of bad blood between them) reprint in three volumes called: Supreme: The Story of the Year, Supreme: The Return, and Judgement Day which is technically not a just Supreme story since it involves all of Liefeld's characters and Moore remakes all of them and adds a lot new characters of his creation and Joe Simon and Jack Kirby's Fighting American and Moore remakes the whole empty Extreme/Awesome Universe into something much better. It's a shame that Moore never got a chance to show what he could do with them.

If I had any real problem with Moore's run on Supreme it's the art. The flashbacks done by Rick Veith are great recreations of Gold, Silver, and Bronze Ages art styles (in particular in Supreme: The Return #6 in which he really captures Jack Kirby better than any other artist out there you will almost believe it was drawn by the ghost of Jack Kirby), but the present day art runs the gamut from great-to-medicore.
I agree if its done right you shouldn't but deep down go get those books. If Watchmen made things grim and dark that run on Supreme showed you could have a deep story and make it fun. Best part is when Not-Clark and Not-Lois are talking in her apartment about Supremes love life.

Just avoid Larsens take like the plague I beg of you.

I love how Moore even makes fun of himself (and British comic book writers in general) by having Diana ask if all British comic book writers were as depressing as the one that Crane is working with on Omniman (who is a Superman-style character in a book that is based on a character who is a Superman-styled character) in which the writer wants to have Omniman rip out his own heart as symbolic statement for artistic freedom and have his dog become a terrorist or something. It showed that Moore was willing to take pi$$ out of himself and make fun of his own work and others (I can't help but to wonder after reading about his long-running feud and his general dislike of Grant Morrison if this character was more a swipe at him then anybody else).

I love how Moore handled Radar, the Hound Supreme and made him just as funny and wacky as a super-powered dog with superpowers, a cape, and a collar that lets him talk should be. The issue where Radar goes into heat is extremely funny.

This was before DC brought Krypto the Super Dog back and the problem was nobody at DC really knew what to do with him. So while Radar was an awesome character in his own right and worthy of a spin-off comic of his own while DC just made Krypto pointless retcon with no real point other than for a few bad jokes.

dornwolf · Post by **dornwolf** » Sun Jun 15, 2014 8:55 pm

The Dirt Gang wrote:
dornwolf wrote: Just avoid Larsens take like the plague I beg of you.
I bought a lot of Larsen's run minus the last issue but I've yet to read them. Now I feel like I might have wasted my money.

Is the first one where he used Alan Moore's script any good?

well it was an Alan Moore script that looked to take everything down the rabbit hole. So it was good and probably would've set up a great arc except that Larsen dumped on it hard. I don't think I've ever finished it myself. Give it a read anyway you mention you've got them so you might as well read them and see for yourself. If you've never read Alan Moores run you might be alright with it.

Cyberstrike wrote:
dornwolf wrote:
Cyberstrike wrote:
wwise03 wrote:I have pre-order Supreme: Blue Rose based on the art, though I have absolutely no knowledge of any Supreme series that came before. Will I be able to jump into this book without having to track down the old books?

I don't know about that, but I would highly recommend reading Alan Moore's run on Supreme just on own it's merits. It's a great read and it's a real masterpiece it own right as he shows the reconstruction of the superhero. It's full of weird, wacky, funny, and downright wonderful ideas, and is a great counterpart to Watchmen. It also shows Moore's talent as a writer to deconstruct the superhero and then reconstruct the superhero. Now Liefeld did let another company called Checker Books (this was before Liefeld and the rest of the Image founders kissed and made up after years of bad blood between them) reprint in three volumes called: Supreme: The Story of the Year, Supreme: The Return, and Judgement Day which is technically not a just Supreme story since it involves all of Liefeld's characters and Moore remakes all of them and adds a lot new characters of his creation and Joe Simon and Jack Kirby's Fighting American and Moore remakes the whole empty Extreme/Awesome Universe into something much better. It's a shame that Moore never got a chance to show what he could do with them.

If I had any real problem with Moore's run on Supreme it's the art. The flashbacks done by Rick Veith are great recreations of Gold, Silver, and Bronze Ages art styles (in particular in Supreme: The Return #6 in which he really captures Jack Kirby better than any other artist out there you will almost believe it was drawn by the ghost of Jack Kirby), but the present day art runs the gamut from great-to-medicore.
I agree if its done right you shouldn't but deep down go get those books. If Watchmen made things grim and dark that run on Supreme showed you could have a deep story and make it fun. Best part is when Not-Clark and Not-Lois are talking in her apartment about Supremes love life.

Just avoid Larsens take like the plague I beg of you.
I love how Moore even makes fun of himself (and British comic book writers in general) by having Diana ask if all British comic book writers were as depressing as the one that Crane is working with on Omniman (who is a Superman-style character in a book that is based on a character who is a Superman-styled character) in which the writer wants to have Omniman rip out his own heart as symbolic statement for artistic freedom and have his dog become a terrorist or something. It showed that Moore was willing to take pi$$ out of himself and make fun of his own work and others (I can't help but to wonder after reading about his long-running feud and his general dislike of Grant Morrison if this character was more a swipe at him then anybody else).

I love how Moore handled Radar, the Hound Supreme and made him just as funny and wacky as a super-powered dog with superpowers, a cape, and a collar that lets him talk should be. The issue where Radar goes into heat is extremely funny.

This was before DC brought Krypto the Super Dog back and the problem was nobody at DC really knew what to do with him. So while Radar was an awesome character in his own right and worthy of a spin-off comic of his own while DC just made Krypto pointless retcon with no real point other than for a few bad jokes.

I read somewhere that Alan Moore was in the end quite embarassed by his time at image and hated everything he did there. But Supreme man, that book feels like it was written by someone truly enjoying the industry, his job, and was just having a blast.

Cyberstrike · Post by **Cyberstrike** » Fri Jun 20, 2014 1:39 pm

dornwolf wrote:
The Dirt Gang wrote:
dornwolf wrote: Just avoid Larsens take like the plague I beg of you.
I bought a lot of Larsen's run minus the last issue but I've yet to read them. Now I feel like I might have wasted my money.

Is the first one where he used Alan Moore's script any good?
well it was an Alan Moore script that looked to take everything down the rabbit hole. So it was good and probably would've set up a great arc except that Larsen dumped on it hard. I don't think I've ever finished it myself. Give it a read anyway you mention you've got them so you might as well read them and see for yourself. If you've never read Alan Moores run you might be alright with it.

Cyberstrike wrote:
dornwolf wrote:
Cyberstrike wrote:
wwise03 wrote:I have pre-order Supreme: Blue Rose based on the art, though I have absolutely no knowledge of any Supreme series that came before. Will I be able to jump into this book without having to track down the old books?

I don't know about that, but I would highly recommend reading Alan Moore's run on Supreme just on own it's merits. It's a great read and it's a real masterpiece it own right as he shows the reconstruction of the superhero. It's full of weird, wacky, funny, and downright wonderful ideas, and is a great counterpart to Watchmen. It also shows Moore's talent as a writer to deconstruct the superhero and then reconstruct the superhero. Now Liefeld did let another company called Checker Books (this was before Liefeld and the rest of the Image founders kissed and made up after years of bad blood between them) reprint in three volumes called: Supreme: The Story of the Year, Supreme: The Return, and Judgement Day which is technically not a just Supreme story since it involves all of Liefeld's characters and Moore remakes all of them and adds a lot new characters of his creation and Joe Simon and Jack Kirby's Fighting American and Moore remakes the whole empty Extreme/Awesome Universe into something much better. It's a shame that Moore never got a chance to show what he could do with them.

If I had any real problem with Moore's run on Supreme it's the art. The flashbacks done by Rick Veith are great recreations of Gold, Silver, and Bronze Ages art styles (in particular in Supreme: The Return #6 in which he really captures Jack Kirby better than any other artist out there you will almost believe it was drawn by the ghost of Jack Kirby), but the present day art runs the gamut from great-to-medicore.
I agree if its done right you shouldn't but deep down go get those books. If Watchmen made things grim and dark that run on Supreme showed you could have a deep story and make it fun. Best part is when Not-Clark and Not-Lois are talking in her apartment about Supremes love life.

Just avoid Larsens take like the plague I beg of you.
I love how Moore even makes fun of himself (and British comic book writers in general) by having Diana ask if all British comic book writers were as depressing as the one that Crane is working with on Omniman (who is a Superman-style character in a book that is based on a character who is a Superman-styled character) in which the writer wants to have Omniman rip out his own heart as symbolic statement for artistic freedom and have his dog become a terrorist or something. It showed that Moore was willing to take pi$$ out of himself and make fun of his own work and others (I can't help but to wonder after reading about his long-running feud and his general dislike of Grant Morrison if this character was more a swipe at him then anybody else).

I love how Moore handled Radar, the Hound Supreme and made him just as funny and wacky as a super-powered dog with superpowers, a cape, and a collar that lets him talk should be. The issue where Radar goes into heat is extremely funny.

This was before DC brought Krypto the Super Dog back and the problem was nobody at DC really knew what to do with him. So while Radar was an awesome character in his own right and worthy of a spin-off comic of his own while DC just made Krypto pointless retcon with no real point other than for a few bad jokes.
I read somewhere that Alan Moore was in the end quite embarassed by his time at image and hated everything he did there. But Supreme man, that book feels like it was written by someone truly enjoying the industry, his job, and was just having a blast.

Moore once said he came to Image to write books for 15 year olds kids and not for 45 years old men, and while his work there is nowhere near the same level with Watchmen, Miracleman, and V For Vendetta I still think that they're still damn good and is still some of the best work from 90s Image Comics and opened the door for guys like Warren Ellis and Mark Millar later on. He made people who hadn't been reading books like The Wild C.A.T.s, The Violator, Spawn, Supreme, and Deathblow into books that people wanted to read and his tenure on those books were at least fun to read and proved that Image Comics could have a decent story and that was at least one writer working there knew how to tell a story and make it fun.

His own creator-owned series 1963 is IMHO one his of the most under-rated works ever, and it showed how talented he was and still is. Sadly I doubt he'll ever get a chance to finish it due to reveal that of Liefeld's characters was behind the problems in the 1963 Universe and since then Liefeld has became an ungrateful d*****bag by disrespecting and crapping all over Moore's work on saving his otherwise worthless characters. Because if it wasn't for Alan Moore saving Liefeld's characters, nobody would have given a damn about them today.

dornwolf · Post by **dornwolf** » Sat Jun 21, 2014 6:35 pm

Cyberstrike wrote: Liefeld has became an ungrateful d*****bag by disrespecting and crapping all over Moore's work on saving his otherwise worthless characters. Because if it wasn't for Alan Moore saving Liefeld's characters, nobody would have given a damn about them today.

That's true. It's actually on the Wikipedia page for Supreme with a quote from Liefeld claiming Alan's Tom Strong and Promethea work was merely left over Supreme and Glory arcs. Also Liefeld is one to talk, all his characters are riffs on more popular characters (you actually could say this about alot of those Image characters).

Also, if Alan Moore hadn't worked on Supreme I'd of never picked of the books and I would've missed just awesome fun.

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