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Getting it started... :thumb:

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Completely forgot this was out this week. What a pleasure reading 3 new VALIANT books on a Wednesday :cloud9:

Good issue. We get a lot of insight into Aric and his motivations thanks to a brilliantly illustrated flashback scene. Alexander Dorian also returns and needs to be a regular in this book. His character just juxtaposes Aric so well. It seems Aric may be fighting a war on multiple fronts before Unity ever comes for him. Tis is shaping up to be a nice little arc.
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I read it in about 4 minutes, I hate that. Practically nothing happened :!: My favorite part was Aric as a kid, I wanted more of that.
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MarrowMan wrote:I read it in about 4 minutes, I hate that. Practically nothing happened :!: My favorite part was Aric as a kid, I wanted more of that.
Definitely nowhere near as dense as the other two books this week.
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Was funny that when the slaves found the supermarket they helped themselves. :lol:
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What was with the virus thing at the end?
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I thought it was because the Spetsnaz though since it was an alien vessel the ex slave might be carrying a virus.
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swtor1091 wrote:What was with the virus thing at the end?
They are aliens. One needs to be careful of contaminates. :atomic:

Remember, the US thought they were aliens too, but Alexander likely let them in on the truth. The Spetznaz probably still think they are aliens...which technically they are.
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Even if Alexander convinces the governments otherwise they are still in an alien craft and are conquering land of a sovereign nation.The military jobs is to protect its people and has to check for viruses.
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swtor1091 wrote:What was with the virus thing at the end?
They are aliens. One needs to be careful of contaminates. :atomic:

Remember, the US thought they were aliens too, but Alexander likely let them in on the truth. The Spetznaz probably still think they are aliens...which technically they are.
Human but not terran. I suppose that would qualify them for both meanings of alien.

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comicsyte95 wrote:Even if Alexander convinces the governments otherwise they are still in an alien craft and are conquering land of a sovereign nation.The military jobs is to protect its people and has to check for viruses.
Fair point.
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swtor1091 wrote:What was with the virus thing at the end?
They are aliens. One needs to be careful of contaminates. :atomic:

Remember, the US thought they were aliens too, but Alexander likely let them in on the truth. The Spetznaz probably still think they are aliens...which technically they are.
Human but not terran. I suppose that would qualify them for both meanings of alien.
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comicsyte95 wrote:Even if Alexander convinces the governments otherwise they are still in an alien craft and are conquering land of a sovereign nation.The military jobs is to protect its people and has to check for viruses.
Last I checked you don't need a buzz saw for that...

This issue was good. It's starting to build. I liked Volo, and how they addressed that the chick Aric's hooked up with seems kind of sudden- they think she's basically a gold-digger. :P Dorian coming back was great. Had they ever said he was the CEO of Orb Industries? I mean, I assumed, but yeah... cool. Seeing Aric's motivation made his actions more understandable, but he's a dumbass for not trying to find out about what modern life can offer resources-wise. The supermarket bit was funnier because Aric should have had the Visigoths loot it when they arrived. :P

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I just read the original X-O #9, with Aric sent back in time. I knew the gist of it, but never read it till now.

I like that this storyline took that original idea, and turned it on its head. Aric wants to be a king, thinks he knows how to rule, but we see how his people view him no different than the Vine. Plus a few of his people get fleshed out. I wonder if they also have the ability to wear the armor....

And another fun flashback, the art for it was just beautiful. :thumb:

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Vditti has a couple of interesting plot points and he just milks them to death

He puts just enough insight into Aric this issue to make him somewhat more interesting but not enough to really satisfy.

I know that many writers write to the TPB format but i like to see an issue have its own self contained story arc within the larger multi issue arc and this issue just felt like filler with not much substance. A lot of these plot points can be told using less pages. And the idea that there are people thinking of rebelling against Aric seems completely crazy. I understand the idea of sneaking away and exploring but I would think that anyone that would openly challenge Aric would immediately have his tongue ripped out by the Visgoth majority. This behavior does not ring true to me. Aric should be a God to them for what he was able to do to free them from Centuries of bondage.

You see the amount of depth in storytelling that Bloodshot had this week and the amount of imagination that was put into Harby this week ... And then you read this issue and altho it is decent ..it just doesn't stack up to the level of the other two. 7/10
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Enjoyed the flashback. Nice to see Aric not in full-on warrior mode, even if he was just 6 years old. Touching moment between his parents, and him and his father. Nice character building.

In last issue's thread, I said something about the Visigoth's realizing that they need not toil (or at least Aric's need to recognize such) and just melting into the general population. Looks like it could be happening.

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hunter_peterson wrote:
comicsyte95 wrote:Even if Alexander convinces the governments otherwise they are still in an alien craft and are conquering land of a sovereign nation.The military jobs is to protect its people and has to check for viruses.
Last I checked you don't need a buzz saw for that...

This issue was good. It's starting to build. I liked Volo, and how they addressed that the chick Aric's hooked up with seems kind of sudden- they think she's basically a gold-digger. :P Dorian coming back was great. Had they ever said he was the CEO of Orb Industries? I mean, I assumed, but yeah... cool. Seeing Aric's motivation made his actions more understandable, but he's a dumbass for not trying to find out about what modern life can offer resources-wise. The supermarket bit was funnier because Aric should have had the Visigoths loot it when they arrived. :P
I agree with you 100% but hypothetically speaking if a government assumes you are an alien (and not fully human, even if you appear to be)any measure of human rights are off the table,In their eyes.
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comicsyte95 wrote:
hunter_peterson wrote:
comicsyte95 wrote:Even if Alexander convinces the governments otherwise they are still in an alien craft and are conquering land of a sovereign nation.The military jobs is to protect its people and has to check for viruses.
Last I checked you don't need a buzz saw for that...

This issue was good. It's starting to build. I liked Volo, and how they addressed that the chick Aric's hooked up with seems kind of sudden- they think she's basically a gold-digger. :P Dorian coming back was great. Had they ever said he was the CEO of Orb Industries? I mean, I assumed, but yeah... cool. Seeing Aric's motivation made his actions more understandable, but he's a dumbass for not trying to find out about what modern life can offer resources-wise. The supermarket bit was funnier because Aric should have had the Visigoths loot it when they arrived. :P
I agree with you 100% but hypothetically speaking if a government assumes you are an alien (and not fully human, even if you appear to be)any measure of human rights are off the table,In their eyes.
They're probably on the table somewhere next to half a brain and a coil of intestines. :P

But yeah, it wouldn't make sense for them to be humane. They'd need to cut people open to even see if they're human... I wonder what Plantlings insides look like?

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I enjoyed this issue, and the added twist of the "rebellion". And as much as I like Cary Nord, I'm sad to see Garbett leave Valiant.

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The Beyonder wrote:I enjoyed this issue, and the added twist of the "rebellion". And as much as I like Cary Nord, I'm sad to see Garbett leave Valiant.
That's the real bummer to me. I think he's a fantastic fit for this title.
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bygranddesign wrote:And the idea that there are people thinking of rebelling against Aric seems completely crazy.
I disagree, and I thought that the scene where Volo and the other guy realize that they're still slaves was the best part of the book. I thought V-ditti set that up really nicely.

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Loved Garbett's art. This issue fell a little flat for me. Seemed like a filler issue. SO much happened in 15 and 16, that I guess you need to slow down and take a breath I guess? But some interesting forward momentum. Looking forward to Unity.

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hunter_peterson wrote:
comicsyte95 wrote:
hunter_peterson wrote:
comicsyte95 wrote:Even if Alexander convinces the governments otherwise they are still in an alien craft and are conquering land of a sovereign nation.The military jobs is to protect its people and has to check for viruses.
Last I checked you don't need a buzz saw for that...

This issue was good. It's starting to build. I liked Volo, and how they addressed that the chick Aric's hooked up with seems kind of sudden- they think she's basically a gold-digger. :P Dorian coming back was great. Had they ever said he was the CEO of Orb Industries? I mean, I assumed, but yeah... cool. Seeing Aric's motivation made his actions more understandable, but he's a dumbass for not trying to find out about what modern life can offer resources-wise. The supermarket bit was funnier because Aric should have had the Visigoths loot it when they arrived. :P
I agree with you 100% but hypothetically speaking if a government assumes you are an alien (and not fully human, even if you appear to be)any measure of human rights are off the table,In their eyes.
They're probably on the table somewhere next to half a brain and a coil of intestines. :P

But yeah, it wouldn't make sense for them to be humane. They'd need to cut people open to even see if they're human... I wonder what Plantlings insides look like?
Hope to keep that a mystery.Its one thing to me to assume something and another to see it.I was that kid in high school that couldn't dissect anything just couldn't do it.
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Bone-A-Fach-ee wrote:Loved Garbett's art. This issue fell a little flat for me. Seemed like a filler issue. SO much happened in 15 and 16, that I guess you need to slow down and take a breath I guess? But some interesting forward momentum. Looking forward to Unity.

I felt differently about the story. For around 8 or 9 issues, we had a lot of action, but issue #17 gave us what's been missing on this title. Loads of character development.

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The Beyonder wrote:I disagree, and I thought that the scene where Volo and the other guy realize that they're still slaves was the best part of the book. I thought V-ditti set that up really nicely.
Yeah, but they're not slaves. Slaves are forced to work to fill another man's pocket. Free people work to fill their own pocket. Aric didn't threaten them in order for them to work, they're working because they want to fill their own bellies.

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The Beyonder wrote:I disagree, and I thought that the scene where Volo and the other guy realize that they're still slaves was the best part of the book. I thought V-ditti set that up really nicely.
Yeah, but they're not slaves. Slaves are forced to work to fill another man's pocket. Free people work to fill their own pocket. Aric didn't threaten them in order for them to work, they're working because they want to fill their own bellies.
That's your opinion, and I don't necessarily disagree with it. But it's not a leap of faith or bad writing to suggest that there are characters who could believe that their situation isn't much different than the vine work. Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.

Just because a character doesn't share your world view doesn't make that characters point of view unbelievable.


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