Are there enough variants for everyone? What are you missing

[drmirage]

Which Variants Are You Missing? - (Are there enough variants for everyone - Most likely the answer is "No")

While I don't think everyone here chases all the variants that VEI releases, readers are climbing each month. VEI is releasing more titles in the future with hopefully a steady print run.

I was just glancing over ( http://www.valiantfan.com/valiant/guide.asp?s=p&u=0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ) at the estimated earned print run in ascending order on the current VEI tittles and it appears that the limited print run of some of the variants will not be enough for even 1/4 of the members of this board. (total registered members are 2,445)

Here are the current available listings for the following variants. I am suprised that not many are available.
Harbinger #3 1:20 Zircher (only 1 listing from an international seller)
Bloodshot #2 1:20 Brase (no listing)
Harbinger #2 1:20 Braithwaite (1 listing)
X-O Manowar #2 1:20 Lozzi (2 listings)
X-O Manowar #2 1:20 Suayan (2 listings)

We do not know exaclty the total print #'s of all the variants and what VEI has in their vault, but I think there are not enough variants for most VEI collectors if the readers keep growing. I am not sure how many completionist are now, but estimated earned copies are the following. (According to Greg's Price Guide) I only listed the variants below 3,500.

Shadowman Black 500 earned
Bloodshot 1 Ribic 1:50 600 earned
Harbinger 1 Djurdjevic 1:50 650 earned
Archer & Armstrong 1 Adams 1:100 700 earned
Harbinger 3 Zircher 1:20 800 earned
X-O Manowar 1 Djurdevic 1:50 800 earned
Bloodshot 2 Brase 1:20 900 earned
Harbinger 2 Braithwaite 1:20 900 earned
X-O Manowar 4 Kramer 1:20 900 earned
X-O Manowar 2 Lozzi 1:20 1,000 earned
X-O Manowar 3 Suayan 1:20 1,000 earned
Archer & Armstrong 1 Aja 1:20 1,200 earned
Bloodshot 1 Aja 1:20 Variant 1,500 earned
Harbinger 1 Braithwaite 1:20 Variant 1,500 earned
X-O Manowar 1 Second Printing about1,600
Archer & Armstrong (2012) 1 Second Printing about 1,800
X-O Manowar 1 Aja 1:20 Variant 2,000 earned
X-O Manowar (2012) 1 Third Printing about 3,500

Blank Cover Con Exclusive Flipbook X-O Manowar #1 1,000 copies
Blank Cover Con Exclusive Flipbook Bloodshot #1 1,000 copies

The print runs of the VEI variants are starting to be similar to VH1's VVSS numbers. They are truly limited and I don't think there will be enough variants for everyone.

[bobby97801]

Blank Cover Con Exclusive Flipbook X-O Manowar #1 1,000 copies
Blank Cover Con Exclusive Flipbook Bloodshot #1 1,000 copies

I think the flip books have print run of 2000 (1000 per side)

[kevinbastos]

I am missing only the Shadowman black. Darn Diamond. Again.

Otherwise, I even have a few extras/duplicates. But more on that later...

[paradise]

I am missing only the Shadowman black. Darn Diamond. Again.

Otherwise, I even have a few extras/duplicates. But more on that later...

Hit up your shops next week, they are shipping to all who are getting one, if they didnt get it yet.

[bobby97801]

I am also only missing Shadowman Black... eBay here I come

[bribri]

I am missing only the Shadowman black. Darn Diamond. Again.

Otherwise, I even have a few extras/duplicates. But more on that later...

Hit up your shops next week, they are shipping to all who are getting one, if they didnt get it yet.

Yes, my LCS told me the same, said they were getting one next Wednesday. And they're saving it for me! That's the only variant I'm currently missing, except for the BS/A&A flipbook fromt he Baltimore Con, but that's coming from Carter soon...

[GGSAE]

I don't think board members to variants is a fair ratio, there's a lot of guys here that don't have most of the HTF VVSS and Acclaim variants.

[Aram]

There really doesn't seem to be that many completists in the world for Valiant. At least not Yet.

Just enough to create some interesting rises and dips in the market when things get scarce or flooded at once.

[tchalla8]

Which Variants Are You Missing? - (Are there enough variants for everyone - Most likely the answer is "No")

While I don't think everyone here chases all the variants that VEI releases, readers are climbing each month. VEI is releasing more titles in the future with hopefully a steady print run.

I was just glancing over ( http://www.valiantfan.com/valiant/guide.asp?s=p&u=0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ) at the estimated earned print run in ascending order on the current VEI tittles and it appears that the limited print run of some of the variants will not be enough for even 1/4 of the members of this board. (total registered members are 2,445)

Here are the current available listings for the following variants. I am suprised that not many are available.
Harbinger #3 1:20 Zircher (only 1 listing from an international seller)
Bloodshot #2 1:20 Brase (no listing)
Harbinger #2 1:20 Braithwaite (1 listing)
X-O Manowar #2 1:20 Lozzi (2 listings)
X-O Manowar #2 1:20 Suayan (2 listings)

We do not know exaclty the total print #'s of all the variants and what VEI has in their vault, but I think there are not enough variants for most VEI collectors if the readers keep growing. I am not sure how many completionist are now, but estimated earned copies are the following. (According to Greg's Price Guide) I only listed the variants below 3,500.

Shadowman Black 500 earned
Bloodshot 1 Ribic 1:50 600 earned
Harbinger 1 Djurdjevic 1:50 650 earned
Archer & Armstrong 1 Adams 1:100 700 earned
Harbinger 3 Zircher 1:20 800 earned
X-O Manowar 1 Djurdevic 1:50 800 earned
Bloodshot 2 Brase 1:20 900 earned
Harbinger 2 Braithwaite 1:20 900 earned
X-O Manowar 4 Kramer 1:20 900 earned
X-O Manowar 2 Lozzi 1:20 1,000 earned
X-O Manowar 3 Suayan 1:20 1,000 earned
Archer & Armstrong 1 Aja 1:20 1,200 earned
Bloodshot 1 Aja 1:20 Variant 1,500 earned
Harbinger 1 Braithwaite 1:20 Variant 1,500 earned
X-O Manowar 1 Second Printing about1,600
Archer & Armstrong (2012) 1 Second Printing about 1,800
X-O Manowar 1 Aja 1:20 Variant 2,000 earned
X-O Manowar (2012) 1 Third Printing about 3,500

Blank Cover Con Exclusive Flipbook X-O Manowar #1 1,000 copies
Blank Cover Con Exclusive Flipbook Bloodshot #1 1,000 copies

The print runs of the VEI variants are starting to be similar to VH1's VVSS numbers. They are truly limited.

I'm fortunate to have at least one copy of each of these....but it hasn't been easy.

[drmirage]

I am speaking mostly about the new VEI books recently. I know that not everyone in the board buys 1 copy of each cover, but the facts are that there are not enough of the limited variants for everyone. (For example is the Valiant Black)

As far as the other books I have listed , I believe that some of these (raw or graded) will be very difficult to find down the road.

The eBay listings show what is available and there aren't that many.

I don't think board members to variants is a fair ratio, there's a lot of guys here that don't have most of the HTF VVSS and Acclaim variants.

[jmatt]

How about the X-O #5 Zircher 1:50 (the Ninjak half of the split cover). Not on the list?

I can't even keep track of 'em all.

[drmirage]

I did not add the X-O #5 1:50 because the earned copies have not been determined yet.

They were just released 2 weeks ago.

[dbngaa]

Sorry, just gonna edit that post right into nothing-ness. Fun with SQUEE!

[GGSAE]

I am speaking mostly about the new VEI books recently. I know that not everyone in the board buys 1 copy of each cover, but the facts are that there are not enough of the limited variants for everyone. (For example is the Valiant Black)

As far as the other books I have listed , I believe that some of these (raw or graded) will be very difficult to find down the road.

The eBay listings show what is available and there aren't that many.

I don't think board members to variants is a fair ratio, there's a lot of guys here that don't have most of the HTF VVSS and Acclaim variants.

But the total sum has to have a big factor in the demand. There's only a handful of tough to find VVSS books, hence the demand. If there are 50 books with a print run of 1000 or less, instead of 5-10, the desirability wears off substantially. Given another year or so, a lot of people will just focus on the variants of the titles they like the most (I know I have already started). If one title is a lot more popular than another, the pricing of those variants could be a lot more sought after.

[Elveen]

There really doesn't seem to be that many completists in the world for Valiant. At least not Yet.

Just enough to create some interesting rises and dips in the market when things get scarce or flooded at once.

I 100% disagree. I think MOST Valiant fans ARE completists. That is why this site has gone on so long with out books.

I think that many people do not have the $$$$ or the means right now to get all the books, but they will TRY to get them and want them.

Think about it. This message board has been going on STRONG with out any books for over, what 15 years with out any books. Valiant fans are CRAZY completists.

IMO

[betterthanezra]

There really doesn't seem to be that many completists in the world for Valiant. At least not Yet.

Just enough to create some interesting rises and dips in the market when things get scarce or flooded at once.

I 100% disagree. I think MOST Valiant fans ARE completists. That is why this site has gone on so long with out books.

I think that many people do not have the $$$$ or the means right now to get all the books, but they will TRY to get them and want them.

Think about it. This message board has been going on STRONG with out any books for over, what 15 years with out any books. Valiant fans are CRAZY completists.

IMO

Quoted for Truth!!!

-Brian

[bobby97801]

There really doesn't seem to be that many completists in the world for Valiant. At least not Yet.

Just enough to create some interesting rises and dips in the market when things get scarce or flooded at once.

I 100% disagree. I think MOST Valiant fans ARE completists. That is why this site has gone on so long with out books.

I think that many people do not have the $$$$ or the means right now to get all the books, but they will TRY to get them and want them.

Think about it. This message board has been going on STRONG with out any books for over, what 15 years with out any books. Valiant fans are CRAZY completists.

IMO

Preach brother!

[drmirage]

COMPLETIONISTS not completists. You better get it together!


Truer words have never been spoken. I consider myself included with "MOST Valiant fans". No wonder why I am still missing the Valiant Black (Shadowman) Book.

I 100% disagree. I think MOST Valiant fans ARE completists. That is why this site has gone on so long with out books.

I think that many people do not have the $$$$ or the means right now to get all the books, but they will TRY to get them and want them.

Think about it. This message board has been going on STRONG with out any books for over, what 15 years with out any books. Valiant fans are CRAZY completists.

IMO

[Aram]

There really doesn't seem to be that many completists in the world for Valiant. At least not Yet.

Just enough to create some interesting rises and dips in the market when things get scarce or flooded at once.

I 100% disagree. I think MOST Valiant fans ARE completists. That is why this site has gone on so long with out books.

I think that many people do not have the $$$$ or the means right now to get all the books, but they will TRY to get them and want them.

Think about it. This message board has been going on STRONG with out any books for over, what 15 years with out any books. Valiant fans are CRAZY completists.

IMO

I'd love to agree, but it really seems there are more like maybe 200-300 hard core collector/completists out there actively growing their collections and maybe 100-200 after that on the fence worldwide that show themselves.

I don't think there can be much disagreement that this board and the website is the goto place for valiant.. and yet after all this time there seems to be less than 250 unique people on the inventory list who at one time in the last 7 years were/are actively pursuing a complete set or more.

The main thing that puts me more leaning towards a smaller number like 300-500 active hard core collector/completist fans is the low CGC numbers and the quick downturn on VEI variants as well as other vh1 key slabs that started shooting up then started dropping once most of us active here got our copies.

I would think there would be more slabs on the census as well across the board with how crazy some of us are..

I can't be the only one dreaming of (and seriously thinking of pursuing..) a full VH1 run in cgc slabs?

[etos45]

I 100% disagree. I think MOST Valiant fans ARE completists. That is why this site has gone on so long with out books.

I think that many people do not have the $$$$ or the means right now to get all the books, but they will TRY to get them and want them.

Think about it. This message board has been going on STRONG with out any books for over, what 15 years with out any books. Valiant fans are CRAZY completists.

IMO

I have to say that I disagree with this. The board USED to have a bunch of completist. The reason why was because VH1 was absolutely obtainable. There weren't but a handful of books that would really set you back any money. I was attempting it at one time (though I was going to skip VVSS because they weren't worth the headache or money to me). New Valiant's variants are exhausting with no end in site. If (God forbid) the company were to fold, then you might see completists reemerge, but as it stands right now I really think it's an unappealing thing to most collectors. It's expensive enough just buying cover price issues, let alone 1:20s for every issue, 1:50s more times than should be, and con-exclusive stuff.

I actually think it's make an interesting poll, but just reading the boards I haven't seen but a small handful say that they are still buying everything.

[Elveen]

I 100% disagree. I think MOST Valiant fans ARE completists. That is why this site has gone on so long with out books.

I think that many people do not have the $$$$ or the means right now to get all the books, but they will TRY to get them and want them.

Think about it. This message board has been going on STRONG with out any books for over, what 15 years with out any books. Valiant fans are CRAZY completists.

IMO

I have to say that I disagree with this. The board USED to have a bunch of completist. The reason why was because VH1 was absolutely obtainable. There weren't but a handful of books that would really set you back any money. I was attempting it at one time (though I was going to skip VVSS because they weren't worth the headache or money to me). New Valiant's variants are exhausting with no end in site. If (God forbid) the company were to fold, then you might see completists reemerge, but as it stands right now I really think it's an unappealing thing to most collectors. It's expensive enough just buying cover price issues, let alone 1:20s for every issue, 1:50s more times than should be, and con-exclusive stuff.

I actually think it's make an interesting poll, but just reading the boards I haven't seen but a small handful say that they are still buying everything.

But that does not mean that they WILL at some point buy everything.

[MarrowMan]

I own every regular non variant book so far. I have a handful of 2nd, 3rd prints, and two or 3 1:20's and one 1:100 (because I won them)

I'm hardly a completionist, and I'm okieily dokily fine with that.



Me actually getting a Variant;



Not being able to find a Variant to buy (which is always)

[Elveen]

There really doesn't seem to be that many completists in the world for Valiant. At least not Yet.

Just enough to create some interesting rises and dips in the market when things get scarce or flooded at once.

I 100% disagree. I think MOST Valiant fans ARE completists. That is why this site has gone on so long with out books.

I think that many people do not have the $$$$ or the means right now to get all the books, but they will TRY to get them and want them.

Think about it. This message board has been going on STRONG with out any books for over, what 15 years with out any books. Valiant fans are CRAZY completists.

IMO

I'd love to agree, but it really seems there are more like maybe 200-300 hard core collector/completists out there actively growing their collections and maybe 100-200 after that on the fence worldwide that show themselves.

I don't think there can be much disagreement that this board and the website is the goto place for valiant.. and yet after all this time there seems to be less than 250 unique people on the inventory list who at one time in the last 7 years were/are actively pursuing a complete set or more.

The main thing that puts me more leaning towards a smaller number like 300-500 active hard core collector/completist fans is the low CGC numbers and the quick downturn on VEI variants as well as other vh1 key slabs that started shooting up then started dropping once most of us active here got our copies.

I would think there would be more slabs on the census as well across the board with how crazy some of us are..

I can't be the only one dreaming of (and seriously thinking of pursuing..) a full VH1 run in cgc slabs?

Two things to consider.

#1) I never put my collection on the inventory list here. And I would say that I had one of the biggest collection of Rare books at one point. (they are all about gone now) Just to give you an example, I've probably sold like 6-8 Armorines Vol 2 #4s. I've had 3 Turok EBs, 3-4 SM glows......

#2) I have no desire for slabs, never slabbed, never bought a slab. But I sure was a building a complete collection.

So using the inventory list and Slabs as measuring points, has merit, but is not completely accurate.


One thing to consider...... ANY time a rare book comes up for sale it is gobbled up quickly. Both on ebay and this site. WHY?

Valiant fans want the entire collection. They want it all. Not everybody, but most.

I'm thinking that there will always be a market for these early VEI variants. Maybe not the $100 the QR books were going for, but maybe.

Lastly, if VEI is able to crossover (movies, TV, toys, cartoons, video games) then what will happen?

[greg]

I'll just throw these comments out there...

1) The number of people posting on this board is always less than 10% of the number of regular (repeat) visitors.
2) The number of new visitors each month is always 1,000+.

Also, how many (other) things do you collect or enjoy and you do NOT post about it on a messageboard?

[caniac]

I'm still working on VH1. For the new stuff, I am getting some of the 1:20s if I like them and can be had for under $15.00. I don't have any of the 1:50s but I have most of everything else (less Shadowman Black, A & A 1:100, and a few 1:20s...missing 5). I guess what I'm trying to say is I'm focusing on VH1 and will get to the new stuff when I can (in terms of completion) if the variants die down, if they don't I'll just get the ones that I want from my favorite titles.