HARBINGER #1 DISCUSSION THREAD! FULL SPOILERS!

[Dr. Solar]

So... awesome?

I loved this book. Like, it haunts me at night I like it so much.

Wow.

Joe Irons is back! Harada isn't that evil! Or is he? Pete's a messed up kid!

And Pete's gonna kick that SWAT team butt next issue.

[depluto]

Love the book, love the writing, art was meh in a lot of places and really good in others. But they're setting the table for something great. Can't wait for the next one!

[Dr. Solar]

'Veen and I talked for a while about the art. I wonder if he will chime in here.

[depluto]

I thought the street scenes were good, but close-ups of faces seemed kind of, uh, "sketchy."

[Dr. Solar]

I thought a lot of the "sketchiness" of the faces was kinda deliberate, to create the tone that things are a bit off about some people, and help set mood and tone.

[tchalla8]

Love the book, love the writing, art was meh in a lot of places and really good in others. But they're setting the table for something great. Can't wait for the next one!

I got a Barry Windsor Smith vibe....where all the faces seem to have the same features.

[dbngaa]

Great read. I agree, the art was hit and miss, but overall I liked it. I didn't get to my shop until a few hours after they opened today, so I can't say how many copies they had to start with, but there were only 2 left after I got mine. Same with X-O 2. I'm sure there will be threads about that topic, but I thought it was a good sign.

[kevinbastos]

I loved Harbinger. Loved. Was worried, but think the art is stylized. The thought bubble cover has grown on me. A lot. Fave quote on it?

Let's start a new thread.

[etos45]

I was kind of meh at the beginning of the story because I thought they were going to take it on the "two drugged out losers on the run from the law" and Joe's early dialog was a little to "cool" for my taste. The story really picked up after that, though. I really like what they did with Harada, and I like how the story is somewhat mimicking the previous incarnation (with the Kris mind trick). I also like what they've done with Kris so far. I'm really excited to see where this story arc is going and to learn more about the Mr. Tull character.

I've also noticed that they set it up nicely for a #0 issue.

[greg]

Just finished reading the book.

OK

I hate to start out with a gripe, and I wouldn't have started this way if it was only once... or twice..

...BUT...

...there are THREE panels where they spell "foreclosure" as "FORCLOSURE".

THAT'S NOT A WORD! COME ON, VALIANT! YOU'RE BETTER THAN THIS!

(I"m going to ASSUME that the misspelling was deliberate, and you are trying to find out which Valiant fan will help you catch those kinds of problems in the future as a proof-reader. Ok, you got me. Here I am. I'll be your proof-reader. You're welcome.)

[greg]

Ok, so what else are we talking about?

[BugsySig]

I LOVED this book. Like others, I had misgivings about the art based on the preview (liked the young Harada scenes, but not the Pete scenes), but by the end of the book I was kinda diggin it.

I couldn't get to my LCS today so I read the digital, which included a digital exclusive (nice little touch, VEI, by the way) of a few inked, un-colored pages. I really think the coloring had a (negative?) effect on the pages because the inks are pretty tight.

As for the story, it hit all the big points from the original while putting a new spin on Pete, espescially. Getting to know Joe was a great addition, and this Mr. Tull is intriguing...Could he represent HARD Corps?

[greg]

Mr. Tull is intriguing...Could he represent HARD Corps?

I got a very "alien" feeling from him... but I might be way off-base on that.

[BugsySig]

Mr. Tull is intriguing...Could he represent HARD Corps?

I got a very "alien" feeling from him... but I might be way off-base on that.

Joe did say Pete thinks his powers don't work on Tull...but then said he was changed bay all the mind wipes...hmmm

[Dr. Solar]

and this Mr. Tull is intriguing...Could he represent HARD Corps?

The answer to this will be in our podcast that comes out this Sunday, part 2 of our conversation with Josh Dysart.

[Dr. Solar]

Mr. Tull is intriguing...Could he represent HARD Corps?

I got a very "alien" feeling from him... but I might be way off-base on that.

Joe did say Pete thinks his powers don't work on Tull...but then said he was changed bay all the mind wipes...hmmm

So is Tull the one who's lost his mind, or is it Joe?

I'm not sure that Joe is with it enough to really be interpreting everything clearly. He might still be right, but do you trust Crazy Joe?

[BugsySig]

Mr. Tull is intriguing...Could he represent HARD Corps?

I got a very "alien" feeling from him... but I might be way off-base on that.

Joe did say Pete thinks his powers don't work on Tull...but then said he was changed bay all the mind wipes...hmmm

So is Tull the one who's lost his mind, or is it Joe?

I'm not sure that Joe is with it enough to really be interpreting everything clearly. He might still be right, but do you trust Crazy Joe?

For some reason, I trust Joe here. Don't ask me why, but it seems too big of an insight into the Tull character to have been written as just Crazy Joe talk.

And I wouldn't say he's lost his mind, just been affected by multiple mind wipes to the point that his demeanor and personality have changed?

[etos45]

Just finished reading the book.

OK

I hate to start out with a gripe, and I wouldn't have started this way if it was only once... or twice..

...BUT...

...there are THREE panels where they spell "foreclosure" as "FORCLOSURE".

THAT'S NOT A WORD! COME ON, VALIANT! YOU'RE BETTER THAN THIS!

(I"m going to ASSUME that the misspelling was deliberate, and you are trying to find out which Valiant fan will help you catch those kinds of problems in the future as a proof-reader. Ok, you got me. Here I am. I'll be your proof-reader. You're welcome.)

It was poetic writing. He didn't go to a foreclosed home... he went to a home FOR-CLOSURE! (see what I did there? )

[etos45]

Mr. Tull is intriguing...Could he represent HARD Corps?

I got a very "alien" feeling from him... but I might be way off-base on that.

Joe did say Pete thinks his powers don't work on Tull...but then said he was changed bay all the mind wipes...hmmm

So is Tull the one who's lost his mind, or is it Joe?

I'm not sure that Joe is with it enough to really be interpreting everything clearly. He might still be right, but do you trust Crazy Joe?

So, since Joe is Pete's best friend, do you think Pete might be the one responsible for his psychosis?

[BugsySig]

Mr. Tull is intriguing...Could he represent HARD Corps?

I got a very "alien" feeling from him... but I might be way off-base on that.

Joe did say Pete thinks his powers don't work on Tull...but then said he was changed bay all the mind wipes...hmmm

So is Tull the one who's lost his mind, or is it Joe?

I'm not sure that Joe is with it enough to really be interpreting everything clearly. He might still be right, but do you trust Crazy Joe?

So, since Joe is Pete's best friend, do you think Pete might be the one responsible for his psychosis?

I'm thinking they met at the hospital, so Joe would have been schizophrenic already. Though Pete rattling around in his head here and there may have caused some more damage...at least it's possible.

[400yrs]

So who do you all think gives and who receives in the relationship? Joe seems like the driver.

[BugsySig]

So who do you all think gives and who receives in the relationship? Joe seems like the driver.

What do you think this is, the Big 2? No gay couple gimmicks to sell books here. Just great characters, stories and art.

[Blood of Heroes]

Mr. Tull is intriguing...Could he represent HARD Corps?

I got a very "alien" feeling from him... but I might be way off-base on that.

Me too. "Mr. Tull" isn't too far from "Commander Trill".

[etos45]

So who do you all think gives and who receives in the relationship? Joe seems like the driver.

Joe did kind of look like a girl in a few of the panels...

[etos45]

So who do you all think gives and who receives in the relationship? Joe seems like the driver.

What do you think this is, the Big 2? No gay couple gimmicks to sell books here. Just great characters, stories and art.

In Shooter's Valiant, the original Pete was supposed to be gay. It's possible the new Valiant will take this road too.