Who would you have replace Shooter at the VEI?

maraxusofkeld · Post by **maraxusofkeld** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:48 am

Hey guys, I was thinking now that Shooter will most likely only be doing books for Dark Horse, who would you like to see take over the major creative roles for the new Valiant Universe?

My choice would be Grant Morrison. I know some people may roll their eyes as his recent work on Batman wasn't the greatest, but he has proved may times he can create much interest in older characters. His revamp of Animal Man was superb. His new X-men was too much, the best run since John Byrne. His take on Doom Patrol was create with the creation of Flex Mentallo. And finally his JLA run was super! What I am getting at, is he has worked with older characters who at times were loosing interest and brought them back and made them readable and accessible to people who previous had no knowledge of or read titles of those characters.

ian_house · Post by **ian_house** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:22 am

maraxusofkeld wrote:Hey guys, I was thinking now that Shooter will most likely only be doing books for Dark Horse, who would you like to see take over the major creative roles for the new Valiant Universe?

My choice would be Grant Morrison. I know some people may roll their eyes as his recent work on Batman wasn't the greatest, but he has proved may times he can create much interest in older characters. His revamp of Animal Man was superb. His new X-men was too much, the best run since John Byrne. His take on Doom Patrol was create with the creation of Flex Mentallo. And finally his JLA run was super! What I am getting at, is he has worked with older characters who at times were loosing interest and brought them back and made them readable and accessible to people who previous had no knowledge of or read titles of those characters.

I love some of Grant's work but theres one major problem. When he does great work he can't really be followed. Just look at Animal Man/Doom Patrol... once his run finishes the comic just can't hold the same quality as his characters are very different to another writers interpretation.

Draco · Post by **Draco** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 1:19 pm

Wow, thats a name i wouldnt have expected anyone to throw in.
Aside from a few books he has done in the last few years that i did like, i would accuse him of trying so hard to be different that all his stuff smells of dog muck.
In fact if there were a list of people to take the helm instead of shooter he may not be on a list of 1,000.

ian_house · Post by **ian_house** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 1:25 pm

Draco wrote:Wow, thats a name i wouldnt have expected anyone to throw in.
Aside from a few books he has done in the last few years that i did like, i would accuse him of trying so hard to be different that all his stuff smells of dog muck.
In fact if there were a list of people to take the helm instead of shooter he may not be on a list of 1,000.

ha ha.

I definetly wouldn't want him in control of creative output for Valiant but I'd sure like to see him take a shot at a title.

Brother J · Post by **Brother J** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 1:29 pm

I like Grant Morrison, but I think his style would be a little too "surreal" for Valiant. I guess you could "re-imagine" the Valiant universe, but I think most of us would like something close to what has been established in the past.

Since I don't read much in the way of modern superhero books, I couldn't really say who would be a good choice.

Cyberstrike · Post by **Cyberstrike** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 1:35 pm

Draco wrote:Wow, thats a name i wouldnt have expected anyone to throw in.
Aside from a few books he has done in the last few years that i did like, i would accuse him of trying so hard to be different that all his stuff smells of dog muck.
In fact if there were a list of people to take the helm instead of shooter he may not be on a list of 1,000.

Amen! I'm so sick of Grant Morrison's crap that I can vomit.

My first choice would be to go with Peter David, he's can write virtually anything and make it good and would respect the past without being a slave to it.

JM DeMantis might an intersting idea as long has he avoids metaphysics.

Jay Faber of Noble Causes fame has a great sense of character-driven stories.

Elveen · Post by **Elveen** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 2:06 pm

I don't know much about modern comic EICs, But Here are authors I have liked. (now I am taking only the non-VH1 creators. I would love to see Bob Hall back on SM and so on...... but for the sake of fantasy here is my picks)

Mark Waid on A&A (I am using his Ruse work as my reasoning. I think Armstrong in someways is a very similar character to Simon Arch.) [I think Alan Moore would be great here, but I think Alan Moore would be great anywhere.)

Me on Eternal Warriors: This would be a book about Gilly and Arm (sometimes Ivar) and their impact on history. I could for sure handle the history part. I also think I could incorporate "seeds" to the modern Val uni: Toyo's family, the formation/creation/discovery of the Darque power, geomancering, voodo and the SM power, ect. And I think I should write something.

Barbara Kessel on Harbinger. Meridian was a team book with a young lead growing into adult-hood. There was an all powerful bad guy (that did not think he was a bad guy). The supporting characters were given depth.

Kurt Busiek on The Valiant Universe. (I think that VEI should do a book that is the backbone of the entire uni. Astro City is such a well written book, I think he would be a natural fit. This book would be the spring board for all the characters and their individual book.)

Alan Moore on Bloodshot. I see BS as a more "shadowy" character.... maybe with a "v 4 ven" type of feel. I would love to see Bloodshot kinda of "in the middle", not quite a good guy and not quite a bad guy.

Warren Ellis on X-O. I would love to see X-O "grown up". He is not a barbarian any longer. He has acclamated to the modern world (he still is a bar. at heart, but he can't be the same character he was in pre-uni XO) I think Aric takes on the great responsibility to right the wrongs of the world. He sees the other "heroes" not being able to stand up to Toyo and the like, so he takes it upon himself to do it. (and really I just love Planetary, and Ellis had to be here somewhere)

Mike Mignola on Shadowman. I think there should be a similar "feel" to the book. And Mignola is great at using different cultures in the writing.

Tony Bedard on Eternal Warrior. I know he wrote some Valiant stuff, but O. Kaine form Negation was a great character and I see Gilly as something like that. (this is one I am not a strong on.)

dave · Post by **dave** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 2:47 pm

Elveen wrote:I don't know much about modern comic EICs, But Here are authors I have liked. (now I am taking only the non-*VALIANT (1991-1996)* creators. I would love to see Bob Hall back on SM and so on...... but for the sake of fantasy here is my picks)

Mark Waid on A&A (I am using his Ruse work as my reasoning. I think Armstrong in someways is a very similar character to Simon Arch.) [I think Alan Moore would be great here, but I think Alan Moore would be great anywhere.)

Me on Eternal Warriors: This would be a book about Gilly and Arm (sometimes Ivar) and their impact on history. I could for sure handle the history part. I also think I could incorporate "seeds" to the modern Val uni: Toyo's family, the formation/creation/discovery of the Darque power, geomancering, voodo and the SM power, ect. And I think I should write something.

Barbara Kessel on Harbinger. Meridian was a team book with a young lead growing into adult-hood. There was an all powerful bad guy (that did not think he was a bad guy). The supporting characters were given depth.

Kurt Busiek on The Valiant Universe. (I think that VEI should do a book that is the backbone of the entire uni. Astro City is such a well written book, I think he would be a natural fit. This book would be the spring board for all the characters and their individual book.)

Alan Moore on Bloodshot. I see BS as a more "shadowy" character.... maybe with a "v 4 ven" type of feel. I would love to see Bloodshot kinda of "in the middle", not quite a good guy and not quite a bad guy.

Warren Ellis on X-O. I would love to see X-O "grown up". He is not a barbarian any longer. He has acclamated to the modern world (he still is a bar. at heart, but he can't be the same character he was in pre-uni XO) I think Aric takes on the great responsibility to right the wrongs of the world. He sees the other "heroes" not being able to stand up to Toyo and the like, so he takes it upon himself to do it. (and really I just love Planetary, and Ellis had to be here somewhere)

Mike Mignola on Shadowman. I think there should be a similar "feel" to the book. And Mignola is great at using different cultures in the writing.

Tony Bedard on Eternal Warrior. I know he wrote some Valiant stuff, but O. Kaine form Negation was a great character and I see Gilly as something like that. (this is one I am not a strong on.)

Self promotion aside I think these are all great choices with a lot of thought put into them-and I would LOVE to see you get a shot with EW, but felt that I still needed to bust your chops a little bit!

X-O HoboJoe · Post by **X-O HoboJoe** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 2:51 pm

Tebow.

Blood of Heroes · Post by **Blood of Heroes** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 5:36 pm

Draco · Post by **Draco** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 5:46 pm

Blood of Heroes wrote:MOTA

Well according to some comments i heard.........

UnknownTales · Post by **UnknownTales** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 6:12 pm

Greg, himself.

400yrs · Post by **400yrs** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 7:12 pm

Morrisson wouldn't do it. I doubt they could pay enough. I wouldn't read it if he did anyway. I can't afford drugs to make his books make sense.

It should probably be some unknown. I doubt they'll attract anyone with a name considering how everyone has ran away from them so far. Get a n00b who is too naive to realize he is getting screwed. Try Fabian Nicieza. He's probably available.

slym2none · Post by **slym2none** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:00 pm

maraxusofkeld wrote:Who would you have replace Shooter at the VEI?

I wouldn't.

-slym

Mike J · Post by **Mike J** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:05 pm

My vote would by Brian Vaughan. He's young enough to hold down for a while and I think has some untapped creativity.

- Mike

slym2none · Post by **slym2none** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:45 pm

mjm00014 wrote:My vote would by Brian Vaughan. He's young enough to hold down for a while and I think has some untapped creativity.

- Mike

Why take a talented writer and make him an EIC? And could he handle being the main creative editor?

BRING TOM DeFALCO OUT OF THE RETIREMENT HOME!!!

-slym (older-Marvel fans will get that joke)

dave · Post by **dave** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:53 pm

400yrs wrote:Morrisson wouldn't do it. I doubt they could pay enough. I wouldn't read it if he did anyway. I can't afford drugs to make his books make sense.

I was wondering if I was the only one that felt this way...

Cyberstrike · Post by **Cyberstrike** » Tue Oct 20, 2009 8:53 am

slym2none wrote:
mjm00014 wrote:My vote would by Brian Vaughan. He's young enough to hold down for a while and I think has some untapped creativity.

- Mike
Why take a talented writer and make him an EIC? And could he handle being the main creative editor?

BRING TOM DeFALCO OUT OF THE RETIREMENT HOME!!!

-slym (older-Marvel fans will get that joke)

Well he did follow Shooter as EIC.

X-O Dudeowar · Post by **X-O Dudeowar** » Wed Oct 21, 2009 10:24 pm

Fabian Nicieza.

superman-prime · Post by **superman-prime** » Wed Oct 21, 2009 10:31 pm

Geoff Johns as ex in charge of continuity and a 2 man team per book

Kirkman and Mark s for rai and mags

bendis and bagly for harbinger and hard corps

just a wish

leonmallett · Post by **leonmallett** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 2:27 am

Blood of Heroes wrote:MOTA

Not for me. I don't think his vision is flexible enough based on board interactions prior to his ban. It has appeared that there is his way and everything else is wrong. Now for a strong personality that is fine (I am thinking Jim Shooter in his Marvel tenure especially here), but for an unproven, untested and largely unknown figure? No.

If nothing else, the new VALIANT universe will have to adapt readily to changed and changing conditions. The market is different to 15-17 years ago; expectations of readers may be different, and the line having a sense of accessiblity will be key. Retaining a 15 year old outlook or vision is not the way forward by definition. The ingredients for success are just not there to be replicated (ie the mix of dependable talents, auteurs and rising talents to be honed).

Whoever it is will need experience, talent and the skill to know when to stick with a course or to change direction - for the right reasons. Changing direction is easy. Doing it at the right time is tricky. Bringing others along yet more so.

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 11:22 am

X-O Dudeowar wrote:Fabian Nicieza.

Hahaha....yeah, I'm thinking no on that one....

wrunow · Post by **wrunow** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 11:40 am

leonmallett wrote:
Blood of Heroes wrote:MOTA
Not for me. I don't think his vision is flexible enough based on board interactions prior to his ban. It has appeared that there is his way and everything else is wrong. Now for a strong personality that is fine (I am thinking Jim Shooter in his Marvel tenure especially here), but for an unproven, untested and largely unknown figure? No.

If nothing else, the new VALIANT universe will have to adapt readily to changed and changing conditions. The market is different to 15-17 years ago; expectations of readers may be different, and the line having a sense of accessiblity will be key. Retaining a 15 year old outlook or vision is not the way forward by definition. The ingredients for success are just not there to be replicated (ie the mix of dependable talents, auteurs and rising talents to be honed).

Whoever it is will need experience, talent and the skill to know when to stick with a course or to change direction - for the right reasons. Changing direction is easy. Doing it at the right time is tricky. Bringing others along yet more so.

I respect what Michael has done with the BOG, but I don't think he's a candidate for the job anyway, I think some of the guys just like throwing his name out there to get a reaction.

BloodOfHeroes · Post by **BloodOfHeroes** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 12:09 pm

Kevin VanHook.

or Jeff Gomez.

eternalwarrior · Post by **eternalwarrior** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 1:44 pm

Mark Waid, Kurt Busiek, Alan Moore (based mostly on the america's best comics stuff) as EIC
individual books writer and artist :
Harbinger : Kirkman/ottley
Bloodshot : Warren Ellis/jim lee
Eternal Warrior : Peter David/paulo siquera
X-O : Cristos Gage/silvestri
Rai : Ron Marz/joe madurera
Shadowman : Frank Miller/ariel olivetti
Archer and Armstrong : Bendis/frank cho
Hard corps : Millar/scott campbell
I realize these would never happen. Just my dream teams, and what i feel are interesting matchups.

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