Will Marvel intergrate Ultraverse after DC-Milestone-Impact

Draco · Post by **Draco** » Thu Jan 01, 2009 4:41 am

I have noticed the Milestone is no longer a DU thread flashing up quite alot of recent regarding that and the other DC imprints being used once again and Marvel possibly doing likewise.

So will Marvel as ever take note of DC and the intergration of its Sub universes?

After having owned the rights for some time we know they are wanting to somehow bring them all under the DC multiverse banner.
Milestone is a GO inside the pages of the JLA and others to follow.

I remembered Marvels original goal was always to emulate the opposition doing likewise but bigger and better.

Of course that hasnt always been the case, but its amusing to think that Marvel could decide to finally do something with the Ultraverse after spectacularly running it into the ground way back when.

It would be seen as a very copycat competetive move following in suit after DC's recent move and very reminiscent of how they did things so many years ago.

I know that Milestone is very much appreciated here on the boards and also similarly elsewhere, so it was a no brainer that if done well all Milestone enthusiasts would be happy to see anything of these cool characters.

Ultraverse was a good hit of books with mixed reviews all round.
I know they have a pretty masssive following too, so how long will it be before Marvel announce the return of the Ultraverse or some of its denizens.

I would be happy to see it done, but have my reservations as always much like i do with DC too.

So what do you think?
Will they?

Happy new year and all that jazz.

Draco · Post by **Draco** » Thu Jan 01, 2009 6:11 am

GAH !!!!

dont jut read this and not vote !!!!

Its one click ok

turborip · Post by **turborip** » Thu Jan 01, 2009 10:21 am

You left out the most obvious option: If Marvel thinks they can make a buck off bringing back Ultraverse, they'll do it.

If there's any sort of positive feedback about bringing back Milestone, or if Dark Horse's Comics Greatest World Omnibus' are selling well, Marvel will jump on that bandwagon.

Retro is so in!

slym2none · Post by **slym2none** » Thu Jan 01, 2009 11:57 am

I voted the second option... so of course, Marvel will now bring it back.

-slym

schi0249 · Post by **schi0249** » Thu Jan 01, 2009 12:29 pm

I voted the first option. But it really comes down to if it will sell. Marvel won't make a move just to copy DC.

Draco · Post by **Draco** » Thu Jan 01, 2009 3:57 pm

schi0249 wrote:I voted the first option. But it really comes down to if it will sell. Marvel won't make a move just to copy DC.

No i agree not to just to copy, but it would be seen as emulating the success and rightly so.

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Thu Jan 01, 2009 5:08 pm

I wouldn't expect Marvel to do anything with Ultraverse now.

I also don't believe (and have read many interviews to those there at that time) that Marvel bought Ultraverse just to run it into the ground. There were many, complex reasons for buying it, but none of them were to get rid of the line of comics for any dislike for them.

I could see a few select characters doing well in the Marvel U. Make that one - I can really only see Amber Hunt finding a home in the current House of Ideas. Then again, it's pretty obvious that all of Milestone was brought into the mainstream DCU just for Static, so you never know.

I am sure we'll see Marvel Zombies 17 before we see an Ultraverse revival.

depluto · Post by **depluto** » Thu Jan 01, 2009 5:14 pm

I think most of the characters in the Ultraverse were owned by the creators ... not sure what the legal implications are there.

Doorman · Post by **Doorman** » Thu Jan 01, 2009 6:04 pm

I'd love to see an Ultraverse revival ... but, as far as I'm aware, it'd be a costly process to get the rights ... or at least pay off the creators, to bring them back.

ah well...

J-Scott-R · Post by **J-Scott-R** » Thu Jan 01, 2009 6:05 pm

Chiclo wrote:I wouldn't expect Marvel to do anything with Ultraverse now.

I also don't believe (and have read many interviews to those there at that time) that Marvel bought Ultraverse just to run it into the ground. There were many, complex reasons for buying it, but none of them were to get rid of the line of comics for any dislike for them.

I could see a few select characters doing well in the Marvel U. Make that one - I can really only see Amber Hunt finding a home in the current House of Ideas. Then again, it's pretty obvious that all of Milestone was brought into the mainstream DCU just for Static, so you never know.

I am sure we'll see Marvel Zombies 17 before we see an Ultraverse revival.

I don't think Marvel intentionally tried to run the Ultraverse into the ground either, but with their current leadership, I can't see them taking a chance on the Ultraverse when they can take the easy way and add another Avenger or X title

. It would be nice to see Night Man or Prime again, though.

Scott

vikingspawn · Post by **vikingspawn** » Fri Jan 02, 2009 9:47 am

I hope Dark Horse copies DC and brings back Defiant and Broadway from limbo.

BloodOfHeroes · Post by **BloodOfHeroes** » Fri Jan 02, 2009 2:16 pm

depluto wrote:I think most of the characters in the Ultraverse were owned by the creators ... not sure what the legal implications are there.

The creators say that Marvel owns them and can bring 'em back anytime with *minimal* financial compensation. JoeyQ says that it'd cost too much to bring 'em back.

I especially liked Night Man and the Strangers.

BUT Marvel also owns the rights to the "Gesesis" characters. I wish they'd bring THEM back.

Draco · Post by **Draco** » Fri Jan 02, 2009 4:13 pm

BloodOfHeroes wrote:
depluto wrote:I think most of the characters in the Ultraverse were owned by the creators ... not sure what the legal implications are there.
The creators say that Marvel owns them and can bring 'em back anytime with *minimal* financial compensation. JoeyQ says that it'd cost too much to bring 'em back.

I especially liked Night Man and the Strangers.

BUT Marvel also owns the rights to the "Gesesis" characters. I wish they'd bring THEM back.

Yeah i didnt mention the Genesis Universe or maybe other Malibu properties ( not sure what Marvel own, but it must be a good hit of work) as i figured they just wouldnt fit into Marvel, not that i think Ultraverse would.

fastballspecial · Post by **fastballspecial** » Fri Jan 02, 2009 9:58 pm

I wish they would. Back in college I loved the Ultraverse. Prime, the Solution, and Strangers were my favorites. Took me years to get the Mirror covers then I find out the Gold covers are harder to find.

h-comics · Post by **h-comics** » Fri Jan 02, 2009 11:10 pm

As much I would love the Ultraverse to come back,Marvel will never do it

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Jesse

turborip · Post by **turborip** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 12:38 pm

Another option, and one strictly for the sake of discussion, is that Marvel might do it if they found someone passionate enough and presented the proper pitch.

In the case of Milestone, Dwayne McDuffie is spearheading the revival. He's currently on the JLA flagship title and has been a comics staple for years, so I believe that gives hm some clout. I also believe (Milestone fans help me out here) that he helped the initial inception of Milestone the first time around.

If Marvel could bring back the New Universe, something I thought they would NEVER think about doing, can Ultraverse really be that far off?

Elveen · Post by **Elveen** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 1:19 pm

vikingspawn wrote:I hope Dark Horse copies DC and brings back Defiant and Broadway from limbo.

That would be cool. I really liked Broadway.

Lightning Strike · Post by **Lightning Strike** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 1:27 pm

Queseda was asked about this recently and said that they talked about bringing the line back, but there was too much legal nonsense involved to be wroth it.

leonmallett · Post by **leonmallett** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 2:06 pm

Chiclo wrote:I wouldn't expect Marvel to do anything with Ultraverse now.

I also don't believe (and have read many interviews to those there at that time) that Marvel bought Ultraverse just to run it into the ground. There were many, complex reasons for buying it, but none of them were to get rid of the line of comics for any dislike for them.

I could see a few select characters doing well in the Marvel U. Make that one - I can really only see Amber Hunt finding a home in the current House of Ideas. Then again, it's pretty obvious that all of Milestone was brought into the mainstream DCU just for Static, so you never know.

I am sure we'll see Marvel Zombies 17 before we see an Ultraverse revival.

I think you are right, that there were many factors at play. As much as I like a lot of Warren Ellis' work his (unnecessary, in my opinion) reboot with Black September pretty much wrecked the tone and feel of the line, as well as jettisoning the few years of continuity they already had - a big mistake I feel.

I wouldn't want to see the Ultraverse lumped into the mainstream Marvel Universe. Marvel has proven there is a market for books outside of their core universe (Ultimate Marvel; Squadron Supreme; newuniversal - all set in discrete universes).

BloodOfHeroes wrote:
depluto wrote:I think most of the characters in the Ultraverse were owned by the creators ... not sure what the legal implications are there.
The creators say that Marvel owns them and can bring 'em back anytime with *minimal* financial compensation. JoeyQ says that it'd cost too much to bring 'em back.

I especially liked Night Man and the Strangers.

BUT Marvel also owns the rights to the "Gesesis" characters. I wish they'd bring THEM back.

I believe BloodOfHeroes is correct, that effectively a royalty would be due in their usage (I recall the figure of 7% for some reason), which Marvel/Joe quesada refuse to deal with, hence limbo ensued. I imagine if they ever get the Prime movie going they would happily pay that percentage.

I'd love to see the Protectors/Genesis-uiverse characters return, but ironically that could be seen to be too much like Project: Superpowers in some ways (even though the Protectors came out in hwta, 1992, using many of the same public domain Centaur properties).

tictuck · Post by **tictuck** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 4:39 pm

leonmallett wrote:
Chiclo wrote:I wouldn't expect Marvel to do anything with Ultraverse now.

I also don't believe (and have read many interviews to those there at that time) that Marvel bought Ultraverse just to run it into the ground. There were many, complex reasons for buying it, but none of them were to get rid of the line of comics for any dislike for them.

I could see a few select characters doing well in the Marvel U. Make that one - I can really only see Amber Hunt finding a home in the current House of Ideas. Then again, it's pretty obvious that all of Milestone was brought into the mainstream DCU just for Static, so you never know.

I am sure we'll see Marvel Zombies 17 before we see an Ultraverse revival.
I think you are right, that there were many factors at play. As much as I like a lot of Warren Ellis' work his (unnecessary, in my opinion) reboot with Black September pretty much wrecked the tone and feel of the line, as well as jettisoning the few years of continuity they already had - a big mistake I feel.

I wouldn't want to see the Ultraverse lumped into the mainstream Marvel Universe. Marvel has proven there is a market for books outside of their core universe (Ultimate Marvel; Squadron Supreme; newuniversal - all set in discrete universes).

BloodOfHeroes wrote:
depluto wrote:I think most of the characters in the Ultraverse were owned by the creators ... not sure what the legal implications are there.
The creators say that Marvel owns them and can bring 'em back anytime with *minimal* financial compensation. JoeyQ says that it'd cost too much to bring 'em back.

I especially liked Night Man and the Strangers.

BUT Marvel also owns the rights to the "Gesesis" characters. I wish they'd bring THEM back.
I believe BloodOfHeroes is correct, that effectively a royalty would be due in their usage (I recall the figure of 7% for some reason), which Marvel/Joe quesada refuse to deal with, hence limbo ensued. I imagine if they ever get the Prime movie going they would happily pay that percentage.

I'd love to see the Protectors/Genesis-uiverse characters return, but ironically that could be seen to be too much like Project: Superpowers in some ways (even though the Protectors came out in hwta, 1992, using many of the same public domain Centaur properties).

I believe they are Publc Domain once again and yes it probably would be seen as a Project: Superpowers . It still would be sweet to see it though

Speaking of which I still be needing some of these Malibu issues if anyone has any they might be looking to trade or sell real cheap (I believe someone, can't remember who, offered Confederate money for DU books at one time

) I would actually offer U.S. currency though but LCS bargain box prices I would expect

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 7:37 pm

leonmallett wrote:I wouldn't want to see the Ultraverse lumped into the mainstream Marvel Universe. Marvel has proven there is a market for books outside of their core universe (Ultimate Marvel; Squadron Supreme; newuniversal - all set in discrete universes).

There is at least one example to the contrary that pops into mind - the Anita Blake character. At first, she was separate and discreet from the mainline 616 Marvel Universe, but her books were integrated for no particular reason.

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 7:40 pm

tictuck wrote:I believe they are Publc Domain once again and yes it probably would be seen as a Project: Superpowers . It still would be sweet to see it though Speaking of which I still be needing some of these Malibu issues if anyone has any they might be looking to trade or sell real cheap (I believe someone, can't remember who, offered Confederate money for DU books at one time ) I would actually offer U.S. currency though but LCS bargain box prices I would expect

I don't think they ever left the public domain. As I understand it, if a company starts printing a character from the public domain, they do not get a copyright. The original Daredevil is the best example, AC has written him into stories before and had no legitimate claim to exclude him from Project: Superpowers and Project:Superpowers had no claim to stop him from appearing in upcoming Savage Dragon issues.

Also, that was depluto that offered to pay very little to no Confederate money.

Cyberstrike · Post by **Cyberstrike** » Sun Jan 04, 2009 9:02 am

I hope if Marvel brings back the Ultraverse then they should bring them back as a stand-alone universe. The problem with merging DU into an active universe is the "new" factor. How long will it take creators and fans to get bored with these characters? Then you have a ton characters that no one what to do with or in some cases even want to use stuck in the active universe as window dressing.

That is what will probably happen with DC, Milestone, and Impact in about 2 years no one outside of the fans were already fans of them to begin with and the original creators or creators that enjoyed always enjoyed working on them will most likely be the only ones that give a damn about them. I don't think sales of Justice League of America, Teen Titans, and other DC titles going up any higher because Icon, Static, The Comet, The Shield, and others are guest starring in them.

Basically the only reason DC is doing is this is because it's good PR for the management at DC and especially for Dan DiBo, because just before this was announced a LOT of DC fans wanted him fired and there were talks of him of him being fired and then this event was announced and he's suddenly not in hot water with the fans or the suits.

Todd Luck · Post by **Todd Luck** » Sun Jan 04, 2009 2:32 pm

DC has a decades long history of integrating other established characters and other long standing universes into their universe, multiverse, whatever. They do it all the time.

It's not really Marvel's typical M.O. As has been pointed out most of their "other universes" are being brought back as self contained series outside the Marvel Universe by a hot creator. That's really the way to go. I mean you can throw as many guest appearances and tie ins you want at an obscure character with relatively unknown creative team and the the series still won't live past its second year.

Ultraverse just needs a hot writer to get interested in it. Though personally I'd much rather Protectors brought back. You look at the first plot line alone: terrorists attacking a police station, trying to assassinate a senator, video taping the execution of a hero, etc...it's a lot more topical now than it was back in the 90s.

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