Shooter's plans post-Legion [VEI and/or Dark Horse?]

Geomancer · Post by **Geomancer** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 3:24 pm

I ran across this blurb and couldn't wait to share it. My apologies if its somewhere else...

Shooter said his departure from Legion of Super-Heroes does not mean he'll be leaving comics, as he's already been given the opportunity to work elsewhere in the industry.

"I might be doing some stuff for Dark Horse, and I've been talking to the Valiant Entertainment people, who want me to do some things," Shooter said. "So I have no shortage of stuff to do. It's just that I was really enjoying this. I was hoping it would press on.

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/090829-LegionEnds.html

Geomancer · Post by **Geomancer** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 3:25 pm

It would be great to see new Shooter-related material from VEI.

I'm assuming the talk with dark Horse relates to their possible new Solar/magnus material.

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 3:51 pm

What is Shooter's last issue of Legion (last issue of Legion I will buy for a while)?

geocarr · Post by **geocarr** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 4:00 pm

LOSH #50 Series Finale

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 8:42 pm

Thanks for the news. Too bad to see Legion go, but this might actually be good news for VALIANT. Shooter got his feet wet again in comics and now doesn't have any books to write....

Dr. Solar · Post by **Dr. Solar** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:45 pm

The thought of Jim Shooter working on Valiant material is a good one indeed.

maraxusofkeld · Post by **maraxusofkeld** » Tue Sep 30, 2008 8:08 am

I talked to him down at the Baltimore show and got some books signed, he was super friendly and just cool to chit chat with.

jdmoonie77 · Post by **jdmoonie77** » Tue Sep 30, 2008 10:13 pm

I was also at Baltimore Con. I should've asked, If givien the opportunity to write Magnus and Solar would he create an entire new universe for DH?Or just concentrate on the two properties based on GK universe?,,,Hmmm!

Elveen · Post by **Elveen** » Tue Sep 30, 2008 10:21 pm

maraxusofkeld wrote:I talked to him down at the Baltimore show and got some books signed, he was super friendly and just cool to chit chat with.

I would love to rap with Jim.

Elveen · Post by **Elveen** » Tue Sep 30, 2008 10:22 pm

maraxusofkeld wrote:I talked to him down at the Baltimore show and got some books signed, he was super friendly and just cool to chit chat with.

You should ask depluto to show you his legendary Shooter sig. (at least I think it is him)

hulk181man · Post by **hulk181man** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 7:45 am

jdmoonie77 wrote:I was also at Baltimore Con. I should've asked, If givien the opportunity to write Magnus and Solar would he create an entire new universe for DH?Or just concentrate on the two properties based on GK universe?,,,Hmmm!

Now that's a good question...

dave · Post by **dave** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 1:33 pm

i din't even now that shooter was also a rapper veen. what would you guys rap? would it get competetive?

no seriously, i like that Q. i think we are all hoping that we know what his next project is though.

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 1:43 pm

dave wrote:i din't even now that shooter was also a rapper veen. what would you guys rap? would it get competetive?

Well, if Ed McMahon can rap, I suppose Shooter can get in on the action as well.....

etos45 · Post by **etos45** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 2:03 pm

jdmoonie77 wrote:I was also at Baltimore Con. I should've asked, If givien the opportunity to write Magnus and Solar would he create an entire new universe for DH?Or just concentrate on the two properties based on GK universe?,,,Hmmm!

The problem with him creating another new universe for these characters is that it's going to look like he's trying to redo what he did at Valiant... and I'm not too sure how well that would be received... especially with Valiant having it's own revival at the same time. Then it leaves to question how true is he going to stay with Solar this time?

I'm curious about two things: How are they going to do Magnus (since Valiant picked up where GK left off)? Do they pretend the Valiant run never happened? Also, if I remember right, Shooter's vision of Turok was never really shown, right? So maybe DH wants him to write Turok the way he would have originally done him at Valiant.

Todd Luck · Post by **Todd Luck** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 11:14 am

"Maybe I've laid a foundation for somebody else"

Boy you can tell shooter hasn't worked for DC in a while.

And of course they couldn't let the book go a whole four more issues to get to how he hoped to end the plotline cause (according to DiDio) "'50' seemed like a really nice number to bring this series to a conclusion." Typical DCU.

I'm just glad we did get as many issues as we did out of the run.

JustCallMeAric · Post by **JustCallMeAric** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 6:51 pm

etos45 wrote:
jdmoonie77 wrote:I was also at Baltimore Con. I should've asked, If givien the opportunity to write Magnus and Solar would he create an entire new universe for DH?Or just concentrate on the two properties based on GK universe?,,,Hmmm!
The problem with him creating another new universe for these characters is that it's going to look like he's trying to redo what he did at Valiant... and I'm not too sure how well that would be received... especially with Valiant having it's own revival at the same time. Then it leaves to question how true is he going to stay with Solar this time?

I'm curious about two things: How are they going to do Magnus (since Valiant picked up where GK left off)? Do they pretend the Valiant run never happened? Also, if I remember right, Shooter's vision of Turok was never really shown, right? So maybe DH wants him to write Turok the way he would have originally done him at Valiant.

I think they would have to pretend Valiant didnt exist because they couldnt reference the Valiant stories. Could they?

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 6:54 pm

JustCallMeAric wrote:
etos45 wrote:
jdmoonie77 wrote:I was also at Baltimore Con. I should've asked, If givien the opportunity to write Magnus and Solar would he create an entire new universe for DH?Or just concentrate on the two properties based on GK universe?,,,Hmmm!
The problem with him creating another new universe for these characters is that it's going to look like he's trying to redo what he did at Valiant... and I'm not too sure how well that would be received... especially with Valiant having it's own revival at the same time. Then it leaves to question how true is he going to stay with Solar this time?

I'm curious about two things: How are they going to do Magnus (since Valiant picked up where GK left off)? Do they pretend the Valiant run never happened? Also, if I remember right, Shooter's vision of Turok was never really shown, right? So maybe DH wants him to write Turok the way he would have originally done him at Valiant.
I think they would have to pretend Valiant didnt exist because they couldnt reference the Valiant stories. Could they?

Not without VEI's permission.

etos45 · Post by **etos45** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 5:59 am

JustCallMeAric wrote:
etos45 wrote:
jdmoonie77 wrote:I was also at Baltimore Con. I should've asked, If givien the opportunity to write Magnus and Solar would he create an entire new universe for DH?Or just concentrate on the two properties based on GK universe?,,,Hmmm!
The problem with him creating another new universe for these characters is that it's going to look like he's trying to redo what he did at Valiant... and I'm not too sure how well that would be received... especially with Valiant having it's own revival at the same time. Then it leaves to question how true is he going to stay with Solar this time?

I'm curious about two things: How are they going to do Magnus (since Valiant picked up where GK left off)? Do they pretend the Valiant run never happened? Also, if I remember right, Shooter's vision of Turok was never really shown, right? So maybe DH wants him to write Turok the way he would have originally done him at Valiant.
I think they would have to pretend Valiant didnt exist because they couldnt reference the Valiant stories. Could they?

That's the thing... starting Magnus where Gold Key left off has already been done. So, if they pretend the Valiant run never happened (which they'd have to) then they would just be retelling stories that have already been told... which would be redundant and boring.

Zaphod · Post by **Zaphod** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 2:07 pm

There's lots of ways they can indirectly deal with the Valiant stuff without direct reference. They can modernize it without needing to ignore the changes in Magnus as a character entirely.

Amnesia is always a useful tool.

J-Scott-R · Post by **J-Scott-R** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 4:23 pm

Daniel Jackson wrote:
JustCallMeAric wrote:
etos45 wrote:
jdmoonie77 wrote:I was also at Baltimore Con. I should've asked, If givien the opportunity to write Magnus and Solar would he create an entire new universe for DH?Or just concentrate on the two properties based on GK universe?,,,Hmmm!
The problem with him creating another new universe for these characters is that it's going to look like he's trying to redo what he did at Valiant... and I'm not too sure how well that would be received... especially with Valiant having it's own revival at the same time. Then it leaves to question how true is he going to stay with Solar this time?

I'm curious about two things: How are they going to do Magnus (since Valiant picked up where GK left off)? Do they pretend the Valiant run never happened? Also, if I remember right, Shooter's vision of Turok was never really shown, right? So maybe DH wants him to write Turok the way he would have originally done him at Valiant.
I think they would have to pretend Valiant didnt exist because they couldnt reference the Valiant stories. Could they?
Not without VEI's permission.

Why should VEI have any problem with this, by allowing DH to reference the previous Valiant stories, wouldn't new readers want to go and find those old stories, which would in turn introduce the readers to the original Valiant characters which VEI are trying to reintroduce themselves. It seems like it would be beneficial to both companies. Just my

Scott

Zaphod · Post by **Zaphod** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 5:14 pm

J-Scott-R wrote:
Daniel Jackson wrote:
JustCallMeAric wrote:
etos45 wrote:
jdmoonie77 wrote:I was also at Baltimore Con. I should've asked, If givien the opportunity to write Magnus and Solar would he create an entire new universe for DH?Or just concentrate on the two properties based on GK universe?,,,Hmmm!
The problem with him creating another new universe for these characters is that it's going to look like he's trying to redo what he did at Valiant... and I'm not too sure how well that would be received... especially with Valiant having it's own revival at the same time. Then it leaves to question how true is he going to stay with Solar this time?

I'm curious about two things: How are they going to do Magnus (since Valiant picked up where GK left off)? Do they pretend the Valiant run never happened? Also, if I remember right, Shooter's vision of Turok was never really shown, right? So maybe DH wants him to write Turok the way he would have originally done him at Valiant.
I think they would have to pretend Valiant didnt exist because they couldnt reference the Valiant stories. Could they?
Not without VEI's permission.
Why should VEI have any problem with this, by allowing DH to reference the previous Valiant stories, wouldn't new readers want to go and find those old stories, which would in turn introduce the readers to the original Valiant characters which VEI are trying to reintroduce themselves. It seems like it would be beneficial to both companies. Just my

Scott

DH can't use any VEI characters without permission. I don't know how it would go if DH tried to reference previous stories either visually or verbally but I don't see the point from either companies P.O.V.

What characters are Turok going to reference from Valiant that are going to help advance future DH Turok stories where they won't need to pay royalties to VEI for?

How can Magnus reference anything from Valiant that wouldn't confuse new readers and risk sending readers to a rival comic book company (or is it colorful pamphlet distributor?) to spend their money elsewhere?

Solar in DH would actually be detrimental (IMO) trying to reference being the "creator" of the Valiant universe.

Unless both companies get onboard to work out some huge and arguably unnecessary deal, the DH Goldkey characters are getting the reboot I am guessing.

Geomancer · Post by **Geomancer** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 3:02 pm

I'm guessing a DH reboot, too.

DH has reprinted the Gold key stories, and I'd expect them to pick up the story from there.

Personally, I don't get how that would be a repeat. There wasn't just one way to proceed from the Gold Key stories. We saw one approach with VALIANT, and now we'll get another with DH. Even if the architect ends up being the same guy.

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 3:50 pm

Geomancer wrote:I'm guessing a DH reboot, too.

DH has reprinted the Gold key stories, and I'd expect them to pick up the story from there.

Personally, I don't get how that would be a repeat. There wasn't just one way to proceed from the Gold Key stories. We saw one approach with VALIANT, and now we'll get another with DH. Even if the architect ends up being the same guy.

Hopefully they do justice to them.

Those characters helped build a universe with Valiant and still have a lot of potential.

Geomancer · Post by **Geomancer** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 6:12 pm

Daniel Jackson wrote:
Geomancer wrote:I'm guessing a DH reboot, too.

DH has reprinted the Gold key stories, and I'd expect them to pick up the story from there.

Personally, I don't get how that would be a repeat. There wasn't just one way to proceed from the Gold Key stories. We saw one approach with VALIANT, and now we'll get another with DH. Even if the architect ends up being the same guy.
Hopefully they do justice to them.

Those characters helped build a universe with Valiant and still have a lot of potential.

I hope so too.

I have a lot of respect for Dark Horse. I have a hunch they will try to bring in some respected pros. So its no shock that they've already talked to Jim Shooter about it.

etos45 · Post by **etos45** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 10:06 pm

Geomancer wrote:I'm guessing a DH reboot, too.

DH has reprinted the Gold key stories, and I'd expect them to pick up the story from there.

Personally, I don't get how that would be a repeat. There wasn't just one way to proceed from the Gold Key stories. We saw one approach with VALIANT, and now we'll get another with DH. Even if the architect ends up being the same guy.

I just don't see the point of picking up where the original series ended when it's already been done. I'm not saying they couldn't do it, it's just redundant. It's kind of the same argument that people use for being opposed to VEI picking up where Unity left off. If they did a flat out reboot of Magnus, then I probably won't buy it. I don't like Magnus that much.