color art different from the published art?

Brother J · Post by **Brother J** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 9:18 am

Sorry if this has been asked before. Do colors sometimes change during production between the color art and the finished comic?

I just bought this color art cover:

compare it to the finished cover:

Some different colors, the most obvious is Ivar's shirt, which has gone from brown to white. I basically just want to make sure what I just bought is the actual cover color art. As far as I know, there shouldn't be a "card art" version since I think all the Valiant cards were done by the time Timewalker #3 was released. Any help on this would be appreciated!

magnusr · Post by **magnusr** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 10:04 am

Brother J wrote:Sorry if this has been asked before. Do colors sometimes change during production between the color art and the finished comic?

Yes, but that was one heck of a change.

As far as I know, there shouldn't be a "card art" version

Right, but sometimes several versions were made and there's also artists practicing or doing their own unauthorized versions.

/Magnus

geocarr · Post by **geocarr** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 11:47 am

That looks a little too different to me as compared to the color art I have bought. I might question the seller more on that piece...

Brother J · Post by **Brother J** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 12:18 pm

Well, I haven't paid yet, so if it's not authentic, I haven't lost anything yet. I noticed that Mike McGuire was the colorist on the cover of this book, so I have sent him a PM to see if he can confirm that this was the piece that he worked on.

x-omatic · Post by **x-omatic** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 12:20 pm

maybe it was a different color version for a trading card or for Previews. I have seen examples like this.

Brother J · Post by **Brother J** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 12:21 pm

magnusr wrote:Right, but sometimes several versions were made and there's also artists practicing or doing their own unauthorized versions.

/Magnus

Magnus, any idea what the value would be if it was a different version than the one that was used but it was done by the original colorist, in this case Mike McGuire?

Brother J · Post by **Brother J** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 12:23 pm

x-omatic wrote:maybe it was a different color version for a trading card or for Previews. I have seen examples like this.

I don't think it was a trading card, because both Valiant Era I and II were done before this issue came out. Not sure if there were any later card sets (maybe the unreleased Valiant Files thing).

magnusr · Post by **magnusr** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 12:25 pm

Brother J wrote:
magnusr wrote:Right, but sometimes several versions were made and there's also artists practicing or doing their own unauthorized versions.

/Magnus
Magnus, any idea what the value would be if it was a different version than the one that was used but it was done by the original colorist, in this case Mike McGuire?

Never easy to say. It's nice so it should have some value. The more official it is, the higher value.

/Magnus

JustCallMeAric · Post by **JustCallMeAric** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 4:35 pm

it looks sweet but there are a lot of diffrences on the coloring

greg · Post by **greg** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 8:23 pm

I have seen alternate colors for the later covers... my guess is that they were
done as options for the editor... as in, "Pick which one we should go with..."

When did digital coloring first start? They could be preliminaries (color guides) for the digital work.

Brother J · Post by **Brother J** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 5:58 am

greg wrote: When did digital coloring first start? They could be preliminaries (color guides) for the digital work.

You know, this was what I was thinking. I have color art for Ninjak #26, but there are severa differences between the finished cover and the book. I think I remember when I bought it, it was mentioned that it was because the covers were digitally colored at that point.

Well, I haven't heard back from the seller yet, so still waiting to get some information on where they might have got this piece.

sonicdan · Post by **sonicdan** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 6:58 pm

Ahhh with color art, esp. covers, there can be many variables...

As far as I can tell, yeah, some of the later issues that were digitally colored had traditional hand colored art done up to use as a guide.

There has also been different or alternate versions of the same cover colored.
They could have been used for Previews, been editorial rejects or artists trying different things.

During the production of the Valiant I and Valiant II cards there were separate pieces painted for the sets.
When considering purchase of Pre-Unity color covers it is especially important to know which version you are getting.

Either way, painted Valiant color covers are unique and wonderful pieces of art to collect!
DAN

colors-yo · Post by **colors-yo** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:57 pm

From the photo it looks like one of two things. A mock cover, which was created for solicitation/previews. The cover colorist didn’t usually color these mini covers. They were usually done by a colorist in training [hence the color change]. Even if the cover colorist did these mini solicitation covers, it was done really quickly. These mini covers were also done months in advance. So even if the cover colorist did the mini cover. By the time it came to re-color the cover, what was colored months ago for solicitation/previews was forgotten.

The other option is, its a color study for the cover. Some colorist liked to do smaller studies before starting the final cover. They experimented with colors to see which worked best. So you could have a Mike McGuire cover study. Or cover art created for solicitation /preview done by an unknown colorist.

Brother J · Post by **Brother J** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 7:43 pm

colors-yo wrote:From the photo it looks like one of two things. A mock cover, which was created for solicitation/previews. The cover colorist didn’t usually color these mini covers. They were usually done by a colorist in training [hence the color change]. Even if the cover colorist did these mini solicitation covers, it was done really quickly. These mini covers were also done months in advance. So even if the cover colorist did the mini cover. By the time it came to re-color the cover, what was colored months ago for solicitation/previews was forgotten.

The other option is, its a color study for the cover. Some colorist liked to do smaller studies before starting the final cover. They experimented with colors to see which worked best. So you could have a Mike McGuire cover study. Or cover art created for solicitation /preview done by an unknown colorist.

Thanks for the help. I sent Mike McGuire a PM, hoping he would let me know if this was a piece he had done, but he hasn't responded yet. The seller of the piece hasn't responded to my questions, either. I might end up having to back out of this transaction if I don't get more concrete information from the people who should know.

MADMAN · Post by **MADMAN** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 4:48 pm

I have to say I do not remember doing that cover. That other cover is obviously not the piece of art that was used for the actual cover. Besides the shirt and people in the window being diff. colors. The sky where Ivar is falling on the cover somebody took alot of time using a little airbrush then adding the lightening with some whiteout. Maybe it was for previews, who can check that? but it is not the cover printed for issue # 3..

Brother J · Post by **Brother J** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 6:08 pm

MADMAN wrote:I have to say I do not remember doing that cover. That other cover is obviously not the piece of art that was used for the actual cover. Besides the shirt and people in the window being diff. colors. The sky where Ivar is falling on the cover somebody took alot of time using a little airbrush then adding the lightening with some whiteout. Maybe it was for previews, who can check that? but it is not the cover printed for issue # 3..

Thanks for your help!

ok, so opinion time from you art collectors...

Do you think this piece is worth just over $50? The Buy it now was $45 plus $8.30 for shipping. If it was an authentic color cover, I think it would be worth that easily. However, since I have no idea what exactly it is and the seller has STILL not responded to my question, I'm thinking this is an eBay deal that won't happen. I can't understand why they haven't sent me an invoice or communicated in some way with me.

BloodOfHeroes · Post by **BloodOfHeroes** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 6:16 pm

I'm pretty convinced that it's card art. Nothing wrong in and of itself that way (I have several samples of recolored card art). As to price--I leave that up to you.

Good luck, either way!

slym2none · Post by **slym2none** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 6:22 pm

Brother J wrote:
MADMAN wrote:I have to say I do not remember doing that cover. That other cover is obviously not the piece of art that was used for the actual cover. Besides the shirt and people in the window being diff. colors. The sky where Ivar is falling on the cover somebody took alot of time using a little airbrush then adding the lightening with some whiteout. Maybe it was for previews, who can check that? but it is not the cover printed for issue # 3..
Thanks for your help!

ok, so opinion time from you art collectors...

Do you think this piece is worth just over $50? The Buy it now was $45 plus $8.30 for shipping. If it was an authentic color cover, I think it would be worth that easily. However, since I have no idea what exactly it is and the seller has STILL not responded to my question, I'm thinking this is an eBay deal that won't happen. I can't understand why they haven't sent me an invoice or communicated in some way with me.

I'd tell him what you found out about it and then offer him $30, shipped.

-slym (is not an OA collector, keep in mind)

JustCallMeAric · Post by **JustCallMeAric** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 7:05 pm

slym2none wrote:
Brother J wrote:
MADMAN wrote:I have to say I do not remember doing that cover. That other cover is obviously not the piece of art that was used for the actual cover. Besides the shirt and people in the window being diff. colors. The sky where Ivar is falling on the cover somebody took alot of time using a little airbrush then adding the lightening with some whiteout. Maybe it was for previews, who can check that? but it is not the cover printed for issue # 3..
Thanks for your help!

ok, so opinion time from you art collectors...

Do you think this piece is worth just over $50? The Buy it now was $45 plus $8.30 for shipping. If it was an authentic color cover, I think it would be worth that easily. However, since I have no idea what exactly it is and the seller has STILL not responded to my question, I'm thinking this is an eBay deal that won't happen. I can't understand why they haven't sent me an invoice or communicated in some way with me.
I'd tell him what you found out about it and then offer him $30, shipped.

-slym (is not an OA collector, keep in mind)

I'd try to haggle to

magnusr · Post by **magnusr** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 10:58 am

Letting him know that something with provenance is worth more to you (and to anyone) might encourage him to answer your question. As for the price, it could be worth more than that or less than that depending on what it is.

/Magnus

geocarr · Post by **geocarr** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 1:22 pm

Brother J wrote:As far as I know, there shouldn't be a "card art" version since I think all the Valiant cards were done by the time Timewalker #3 was released.

Has anyone checked the Valiant Era Series 2 cards to confirm this? I have to hang some drywall tonight, but I could probabaly check it if you want me to?

BloodOfHeroes · Post by **BloodOfHeroes** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 1:26 pm

hmm. good point. But several of us have "Harbinger Files" artwork and they were never produced.

The size alone is what makes me think that. But I have no documented evidence one way or another, of course.

Brother J · Post by **Brother J** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 1:27 pm

geocarr wrote:
Brother J wrote:As far as I know, there shouldn't be a "card art" version since I think all the Valiant cards were done by the time Timewalker #3 was released.
Has anyone checked the Valiant Era Series 2 cards to confirm this? I have to hang some drywall tonight, but I could probabaly check it if you want me to?

Nah, I have a complete set of VE2 (given to me by some cool guy in NYC) and it doesn't have any Timewalker cards in it. Thanks for offering.

Brother J · Post by **Brother J** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 1:30 pm

BloodOfHeroes wrote:hmm. good point. But several of us have "Harbinger Files" artwork and they were never produced.

The size alone is what makes me think that. But I have no documented evidence one way or another, of course.

Yeah, I mentioned earlier in the thread it might be from the unproduced card set, only for some reason I thought it was called "Valiant Files".

BloodOfHeroes · Post by **BloodOfHeroes** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 1:31 pm

I'll try to check this weekend and see if i have any similar Bloodshot colors.

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