Andromeda (Armstrong's wife)

Robbstrd · Post by **Robbstrd** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 11:43 am

Just finished re-reading the storyline with her at the beginning of the series, & was wondering if her alleged immortality was ever explained. How long has she been alive? IIRC, Ivar, Gilad, & Aram are the only "born" immortals in VH1.

magnusr · Post by **magnusr** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 12:16 pm

Robbstrd wrote:Just finished re-reading the storyline with her at the beginning of the series, & was wondering if her alleged immortality was ever explained. How long has she been alive? IIRC, Ivar, Gilad, & Aram are the only "born" immortals in VH1.

Don't remember reading much more about her. Maybe some of the Greek gods were Harbingers or similar? Maybe some had prolonged lives? There was a mention once that Aram was one of the Greek gods (not canon, it was what someone mentioned, so it might be wrong).

Don't think anything was ever stated, but one can make some coherent guesswork.

/Magnus

Robbstrd · Post by **Robbstrd** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 1:29 pm

magnusr wrote:
Robbstrd wrote:Just finished re-reading the storyline with her at the beginning of the series, & was wondering if her alleged immortality was ever explained. How long has she been alive? IIRC, Ivar, Gilad, & Aram are the only "born" immortals in VH1.
Don't remember reading much more about her. Maybe some of the Greek gods were Harbingers or similar? Maybe some had prolonged lives? There was a mention once that Aram was one of the Greek gods (not canon, it was what someone mentioned, so it might be wrong).

Don't think anything was ever stated, but one can make some coherent guesswork.

/Magnus

I think in Eternal Warrior #3 (immediately after Unity), Alcott's daughter says Gilad is like Hercules & he replies "No, that was my brother."

magnusr · Post by **magnusr** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 1:43 pm

Robbstrd wrote:I think in Eternal Warrior #3 (immediately after Unity), Alcott's daughter says Gilad is like Hercules & he replies "No, that was my brother."

Good memory, that's the one. Statements like that I consider "heresay" when trying to figure out the Valiant universe. I mean, Gilad's not the type to joke or anything, but still, it's not something we have been shown.

Were there any other references to characters from similar mythologies?

As for Andromeda, how should we categorise her abilities? Changing the shape of others is almost necromantic. Long life also, or possibly Geomantic. Her influence on others is Harbinger-like, but we've seen it in that necromantic lady as well. And so on.

How about Aram's satchel?

/Magnus

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 3:25 pm

magnusr wrote:Were there any other references to characters from similar mythologies?

One issue of Eternal Warrior claimed that Gilad was King Arthur, but this is impossible as the story of Arthur clearly states that he was a kid when he pulled the sword from the stone, as well as also contradicts Arthur's birth.

Robbstrd · Post by **Robbstrd** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 3:31 pm

ManofTheAtom wrote:
magnusr wrote:Were there any other references to characters from similar mythologies?
One issue of Eternal Warrior claimed that Gilad was King Arthur, but this is impossible as the story of Arthur clearly states that he was a kid when he pulled the sword from the stone, as well as also contradicts Arthur's birth.

Well, given the fact that the historical Arthur is vastly different from Mallory's (et al) version, I think it's definitely possible. IIRC, there was also an issue of EW (w/ the Immortal Enemy) which implied Gil was Robin Hood, and events in EW #1 bear a strong resemblance to the David & Goliath story.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 4:01 pm

Robbstrd wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:
magnusr wrote:Were there any other references to characters from similar mythologies?
One issue of Eternal Warrior claimed that Gilad was King Arthur, but this is impossible as the story of Arthur clearly states that he was a kid when he pulled the sword from the stone, as well as also contradicts Arthur's birth.
Well, given the fact that the historical Arthur is vastly different from Mallory's (et al) version, I think it's definitely possible. IIRC, there was also an issue of EW (w/ the Immortal Enemy) which implied Gil was Robin Hood, and events in EW #1 bear a strong resemblance to the David & Goliath story.

Well, the EW story specifically focused on Gilad/Arthur waking in the Island of Avalon after being taken there by the three sisters, so who knows.

It may be that the writer was trying to do what the King Arthur movie from a few years ago did, and that would fit with the VALIANT Universe, but who knows.

Elveen · Post by **Elveen** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 5:10 pm

I always wished they wold have had Andy in more books...

maybe next time.....

dave · Post by **dave** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 7:54 am

to me the whole thing seemed a bit far fetched...i mean why would he ever leave that island? really.

Second_Death · Post by **Second_Death** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 9:42 am

Hadn't really considered her character much before. It does thrown an interesting twist into valiant continuity doesn't it?

Elveen · Post by **Elveen** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 9:52 am

dave wrote:to me the whole thing seemed a bit far fetched...i mean why would he ever leave that island? really.

but Dave... remember... Aram is eternal.... he can always come back... and she will always be there waiting.....

Always.....

Heath · Post by **Heath** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 1:43 pm

dave wrote:to me the whole thing seemed a bit far fetched...i mean why would he ever leave that island? really.

I imagine that after a few thousand years, it would get a bit boring...

IanAlexavier · Post by **IanAlexavier** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 3:09 pm

Yes, I think Armstrongs satchet was a neat little plot that never had a chance to be fleshed out.. what a bummer.. Kind of like an Ark of the Covenent kind of thing.

Didnt A&A stop right in the middle of the a story line with a kid grabbing the satchel and a mummy was after him or something?

Elveen · Post by **Elveen** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 3:11 pm

ianalexavier wrote:Yes, I think Armstrongs satchet was a neat little plot that never had a chance to be fleshed out.. what a bummer.. Kind of like an Ark of the Covenent kind of thing.

Didnt A&A stop right in the middle of the a story line with a kid grabbing the satchel and a mummy was after him or something?

yes... that was never resolved....

A&A Must be in the new VALIANT Universe!

dave · Post by **dave** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 3:57 pm

after thousands of years EVERYTHING would get boring...so once again-
why leave?

Elveen · Post by **Elveen** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 4:05 pm

dave wrote:after thousands of years EVERYTHING would get boring...so once again-
why leave?

so you can come back again......

dave · Post by **dave** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 4:39 pm

look, just admit that i'm right and that you're wrong and we'll be fine...

Elveen · Post by **Elveen** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 5:23 pm

dave wrote:look, just admit that i'm right and that you're wrong and we'll be fine...

ok...ok... I'll flip you for it.....

Heads I win..... talis you lose.....

Shakespeare · Post by **Shakespeare** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 5:40 pm

dave wrote:after thousands of years EVERYTHING would get boring...

And yet Armstrong still drinks and romances the ladies

This is a great topic...it makes me wonder if A&A was a concept that BWS brought to Valiant and Shooter just let him run wild with, even if it meant inconsistencies with powers-as-they-were-established.

S

Robbstrd · Post by **Robbstrd** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 5:54 pm

Shakespeare wrote:
dave wrote:after thousands of years EVERYTHING would get boring...
And yet Armstrong still drinks and romances the ladies

This is a great topic...it makes me wonder if A&A was a concept that BWS brought to VALIANT and Shooter just let him run wild with, even if it meant inconsistencies with powers-as-they-were-established.

S

Well, you'll notice that she didn't appear until after Shooter left.

IanAlexavier · Post by **IanAlexavier** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 7:47 pm

I really cant see a new Valiant U without the three immortals.. i think there needs to be some work on Timetraveler though.. pretty weak story ... but I love A&A and EW as well..

It maked me sick to think about how well this universe was doing and then just came crashign down... of course, Ive read all the info on why.. but it still makes no sense... [/u]

Elveen · Post by **Elveen** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 11:20 pm

ianalexavier wrote:I really cant see a new VALIANT U without the three immortals.. i think there needs to be some work on Timetraveler though.. pretty weak story ... but I love A&A and EW as well..

It maked me sick to think about how well this universe was doing and then just came crashign down... of course, Ive read all the info on why.. but it still makes no sense... [/u]

yes I agree....

muzzsucker · Post by **muzzsucker** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 3:19 am

Elveen wrote:
ianalexavier wrote:I really cant see a new VALIANT U without the three immortals.. i think there needs to be some work on Timetraveler though.. pretty weak story ... but I love A&A and EW as well..

It maked me sick to think about how well this universe was doing and then just came crashign down... of course, Ive read all the info on why.. but it still makes no sense... [/u]

yes I agree....

stop yelling...

Shakespeare · Post by **Shakespeare** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 10:13 am

Robbstrd wrote:
Shakespeare wrote:
dave wrote:after thousands of years EVERYTHING would get boring...
And yet Armstrong still drinks and romances the ladies

This is a great topic...it makes me wonder if A&A was a concept that BWS brought to VALIANT and Shooter just let him run wild with, even if it meant inconsistencies with powers-as-they-were-established.

S
Well, you'll notice that she didn't appear until after Shooter left.

Yeah, but BWS could have had it plotted all the way through #12. It seemed a pretty solid story arc. (so much so that they could have ended the series and most people would have been happy)

But I see what you're saying...he could have snuck her in after Shooter left, since the universe became more magical post-Shooter.

magnusr · Post by **magnusr** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 10:56 am

Shakespeare wrote:Yeah, but BWS could have had it plotted all the way through #12. It seemed a pretty solid story arc. (so much so that they could have ended the series and most people would have been happy)

Now that I know how it turned out, I would have been happier had it ended after for instance issue 12.

/Magnus

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