is master darque dead

deathmedal · Post by **deathmedal** » Wed May 12, 2004 12:03 pm

is he gone or not?

justin · Post by **justin** » Wed May 12, 2004 1:12 pm

He should have died fighting Shadowman in 1999, according to shadowman and to Rai #0

-A

Rai-fan · Post by **Rai-fan** » Wed May 12, 2004 1:49 pm

Uhh...but he killed Jack Boniface in every dimension & walked away unharmed, according to the Jim Shooter-written story in Shadowman Vol. 3 # 4.

So he's still alive, right?

DawgPhan · Post by **DawgPhan** » Wed May 12, 2004 2:05 pm

Rai-fan wrote:Uhh...but he killed Jack Boniface in every dimension & walked away unharmed, according to the Jim Shooter-written story in Shadowman Vol. 3 # 4.

So he's still alive, right?

I thought that he would be asking about the Valiant Universe...I dont think that events in Vol 3 count in that universe.

BloodOfHeroes · Post by **BloodOfHeroes** » Wed May 12, 2004 4:09 pm

The world is rid of the Darque Power. Darque existed before the Darque Power and he might exist after its purging. After all, Necromantic energy would still be around. People do keep dying. Read Rai #0 carefully, and be cautious about assuming anything...

BoH

Rai-fan · Post by **Rai-fan** » Wed May 12, 2004 4:23 pm

Touche. I know most board-folk consider VH2 & 3 to be apocryphal. In this case, I would too.

Except that the story was written by Jim Shooter and clearly intended to answer & expand on the "How would Shadowman (Jack Boniface) die in his own book when published in 1999?" question.

The way it was done neither invalidates the death shown in Unity or the Rai 0 events. For me, it was a neat twist, and probably the highlight of the whole Acclaim VH2/3 abortion.

Brother J · Post by **Brother J** » Wed May 12, 2004 6:24 pm

Ok, so what defines the Darque Power, then? If Master Darque might still be around and necromantic energy exists, then what was really gained by Jack Boniface's sacrifice? Also, was it ever revealed what happened to Jack Boniface after Shadowman #43? I guess it could be assumed that he landed SPLAT! but was able to heal himself but I'm not sure.

Was the Darque Power the excess amount of necromantic energy that was released when Solar destroyed his original universe? I seem to recall reading that somewhere. Also, if I'm remembering right, did the Chaos Effect event also have something to do with the Darque Power or was that a totally separate event? My reading rentention isn't as good as I'd like it to be, I guess!

BloodOfHeroes · Post by **BloodOfHeroes** » Wed May 12, 2004 6:37 pm

Brother J wrote:Was the Darque Power the excess amount of necromantic energy that was released when Solar destroyed his original universe?

Yep.

Brother J wrote:I seem to recall reading that somewhere.

Secrets of the Valiant Universe #1, I believe.

Brother J wrote:Also, if I'm remembering right, did the Chaos Effect event also have something to do with the Darque Power or was that a totally separate event?

Separate event. It was the necrommantic energy from the end of time, no?

Brother J wrote:My reading rentention isn't as good as I'd like it to be, I guess!

Heh. Join the club.

BoH

myron · Post by **myron** » Thu May 13, 2004 9:32 am

Dead, morte, gone, kaputski...and any other way you can say it...he's outahere...

BloodOfHeroes · Post by **BloodOfHeroes** » Thu May 13, 2004 4:33 pm

myron wrote:Dead, morte, gone, kaputski...and any other way you can say it...he's outahere...

How do you figure...?

BoH

dellamorte · Post by **dellamorte** » Thu May 13, 2004 5:54 pm

Didn't X-O wack him near the end.

myron · Post by **myron** » Thu May 13, 2004 9:01 pm

BloodOfHeroes wrote:
myron wrote:Dead, morte, gone, kaputski...and any other way you can say it...he's outahere...
How do you figure...?

BoH

I do believe architect said it...per shadowman and Rai 0

BloodOfHeroes · Post by **BloodOfHeroes** » Thu May 13, 2004 9:21 pm

myron wrote:I do believe architect said it...per shadowman and Rai 0

Um, except I mentioned the actual quote from Rai #0 and it doesn't have one word about Master Darque dying in it.

BoH

myron · Post by **myron** » Thu May 13, 2004 9:39 pm

BloodOfHeroes wrote:
myron wrote:I do believe architect said it...per shadowman and Rai 0
Um, except I mentioned the actual quote from Rai #0 and it doesn't have one word about Master Darque dying in it.

BoH

I know the quote

could darque survive without the darque power? If that answer is yes, tell me how, if no...then he is gone, kaput, morte, dead...

edlockman · Post by **edlockman** » Thu May 13, 2004 9:42 pm

X-O did whack Darque after he corrupted the X-O armor. Aric crept in and slit his throat and then taunted him as he did.

I love Shooter as much as the next guy, but UNITY 2000 should be like when you messed up playng hoops as a kid. You'd say "Do Over" and it was like nothing ever happened.

UNITY 2000, for as enthused as I was at the time because it held so much promise, should not have happened.

BloodOfHeroes · Post by **BloodOfHeroes** » Thu May 13, 2004 9:54 pm

myron wrote:could darque survive without the darque power? If that answer is yes, tell me how, if no...then he is gone, kaput, morte, dead...

I already answered this, above. Darque existed long before the Darque power. Necromantic energy will still be around, as people die after 1999. That's how (and was explained earlier, as well). He *might* be dead, but no one knows for sure. Since no one saw him die and Rai #0 doesn't say he dies, it's dangerous and foolish to say that he's taking a dirt nap. He was killed in X-O MANOWAR but didn't he get better?

BoH

graybola · Post by **graybola** » Fri May 14, 2004 12:21 am

Also, the last issue of xo seems to say that all that happened previously was a POSSIBLE future for Aric. So maybe darque wasnt dead at the time vh1 ended...Confusing, aint it?

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Fri May 14, 2004 4:52 am

So if he is alive now (Circa 2004 Valiant Universe), is it safe to assume he is much weaker because of the loss of the 'Darque power' and hiding out (like Obi-Wan)?

BloodOfHeroes · Post by **BloodOfHeroes** » Fri May 14, 2004 6:37 am

Ryan wrote:So if he is alive now (Circa 2004 Valiant Universe), is it safe to assume he is much weaker because of the loss of the 'Darque power' and hiding out (like Obi-Wan)?

Weaker, yes, but he didn't exactly "hide out" before he received the Darque Power. And Shadowman "gave his life" ridding the world of the Darque Power. I'll let MOTA tell you if that was Jack, Maxim, or someone else...

BoH

myron · Post by **myron** » Fri May 14, 2004 8:24 am

BloodOfHeroes wrote:
Ryan wrote:So if he is alive now (Circa 2004 Valiant Universe), is it safe to assume he is much weaker because of the loss of the 'Darque power' and hiding out (like Obi-Wan)?
Weaker, yes, but he didn't exactly "hide out" before he received the Darque Power. And Shadowman "gave his life" ridding the world of the Darque Power. I'll let MOTA tell you if that was Jack, Maxim, or someone else...

BoH

but in SoVU 2 he was sucked into Maxim. Jack feels it "like a door shut" and maxim rides off into the night...I would hardly call that "hiding out"...of course all that was during Chaos effect...

Jaknife · Post by **Jaknife** » Fri May 14, 2004 10:23 am

yes, and darque emerged from maxim, as energy, but did none the less.

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