Alien break the rules of the Valiant Universe!

[ManofTheAtom]

It was really an innocent comment, I didn't think it would spark multiple 10+ page threads of incomprehensible arguments.

I read a few Alien Valiant comics, and thought "wow these aren't that much different, in quality, from the 'DMG' Valiant comics I've read. In fact, they're kind of worse but there are some similarities. Oh, the Editor-in-Chief is the same, and the Valiant characters are still owned by the same people. That makes sense. To me, this means the aren't completely separate publishing entities."

Then "YOu said they're the same Business!" "YOu blamed them for the Kickstarter and DMG f-ups" for 10 pages

Ryan, what you did was add to that imbecile telling me that I'm insane for saying that Alien and DMG are DIFFERENT companies and that Alien is not responsible for the things people here accused DMG of doing.

You're the one who conflated ownership with narrative, and tried to use the latter to argue the former.

[ManofTheAtom]

As long as you cannot differentiate between Alien and DMG being two completely separate corporate entities and Alien continuing the fictional narrative threads begun by DMG this argument will unfortunately continue.

Today you chose to use the distinction between editor and editor in chief to revive it, as if that had any relevance to the topic of whether or not DMG owns Alien.

[Ryan]

Ryan, what you did was add to that imbecile telling me that I'm insane for saying that Alien and DMG are DIFFERENT companies and that Alien is not responsible for the things people here accused DMG of doing.

You're the one who conflated ownership with narrative, and tried to use the latter to argue the former.

Publishing entities. I'm a reader, it's how I categorize the different 'eras' of comic books I read.

I would never, and have never commented on the 'ownership' or how they structure their businesses. Because I have no idea and no interest in those things.

You're the one conflating things and jumping to conclusions that were never stated or implied.

[ManofTheAtom]

Ryan, what you did was add to that imbecile telling me that I'm insane for saying that Alien and DMG are DIFFERENT companies and that Alien is not responsible for the things people here accused DMG of doing.

You're the one who conflated ownership with narrative, and tried to use the latter to argue the former.

Publishing entities. I'm a reader, it's how I categorize the different 'eras' of comic books I read.

I would never, and have never commented on the 'ownership' or how they structure their businesses. Because I have no idea and no interest in those things.

You're the one conflating things and jumping to conclusions that were never stated or implied.

You are the one who claimed that there is no truth to the argument that they are separate entities in a discussion about corporate ownership and whether or not Alien is to blame for DMG's screw ups. And in two distinct posts you used Alien hiring VALIANT's editor as "proof" of DMG and Alien being the same.

[Ryan]

As long as you cannot differentiate between Alien and DMG being two completely separate corporate entities and Alien continuing the fictional narrative threads begun by DMG this argument will unfortunately continue.

Today you chose to use the distinction between editor and editor in chief to revive it, as if that had any relevance to the topic of whether or not DMG owns Alien.

Never said anything about 'corporate entities' or who owns who. Stop lying please. And it's DMG's Senior Editor to Alien's Editor-in-Chief. Have some respect.

[Dallow Spicer1]

Let the poll decide! Results are final

[Ryan]

You are the one who claimed that there is no truth to the argument that they are separate entities in a discussion about corporate ownership and whether or not Alien is to blame for DMG's screw ups. And in two distinct posts you used Alien hiring VALIANT's editor as "proof" of DMG and Alien being the same.

Never said anything about 'corporate entities' or who owns who. Stop lying please. And it's DMG's Senior Editor to Alien's Editor-in-Chief. Have some respect.

[ManofTheAtom]

You are the one who claimed that there is no truth to the argument that they are separate entities in a discussion about corporate ownership and whether or not Alien is to blame for DMG's screw ups. And in two distinct posts you used Alien hiring VALIANT's editor as "proof" of DMG and Alien being the same.

Never said anything about 'corporate entities' or who owns who. Stop lying please. And it's DMG's Senior Editor to Alien's Editor-in-Chief. Have some respect.

Stop trying to backtrack.

The discussion between me and that imbecile had to do with ownership, and your contribution to it was to claim that there is no truth to my stating that they are different companies.

[ManofTheAtom]

Let the poll decide! Results are final

[Ryan]

You are the one who claimed that there is no truth to the argument that they are separate entities in a discussion about corporate ownership and whether or not Alien is to blame for DMG's screw ups. And in two distinct posts you used Alien hiring VALIANT's editor as "proof" of DMG and Alien being the same.

Never said anything about 'corporate entities' or who owns who. Stop lying please. And it's DMG's Senior Editor to Alien's Editor-in-Chief. Have some respect.

Stop trying to backtrack.

The discussion between me and that imbecile had to do with ownership, and your contribution to it was to claim that there is no truth to my stating that they are different companies.

Not true at all, I was only discussing my experience reading the comics. There was no ownership argument as far as I knew.

[ManofTheAtom]

You are the one who claimed that there is no truth to the argument that they are separate entities in a discussion about corporate ownership and whether or not Alien is to blame for DMG's screw ups. And in two distinct posts you used Alien hiring VALIANT's editor as "proof" of DMG and Alien being the same.

Never said anything about 'corporate entities' or who owns who. Stop lying please. And it's DMG's Senior Editor to Alien's Editor-in-Chief. Have some respect.

Stop trying to backtrack.

The discussion between me and that imbecile had to do with ownership, and your contribution to it was to claim that there is no truth to my stating that they are different companies.

Not true at all, I was only discussing my experience reading the comics. There was no ownership argument as far as I knew.

There was. You can go back and read it yourself.

I haven't shilled for anyone. All I've done is tell people to stop *SQUEE* on Alien for DMG's *SQUEE* ups. They are two completely different companies, and whatever DMG did should not be visited on their successor.

Alien licensed the IPs from DMG to make new comics the same way Voyager licensed Solar, Turok, and Magnus from whoever owned them in the '90s.

You didn't see people *SQUEE* over Voyager/VALIANT for the screw ups that happened with those characters in the '80s, did you?

Prior to the Alien launch, people here kept *SQUEE* on them for things DMG did even before they had published one comic.

But you haven't read the DMG books either so how do you know Alien shouldn't get the blame?

I would suggest you stop feeling the need to voice an opinion that is not grounded in any actual experience or information.

Why would Alien get the blame for things that happened long before they were involved with VALIANT and DMG? That's insane.

Having this opinion with literally no idea what you're talking about is insane. You don't need an opinion on everything. It's okay to say, 'I'm not familiar what anything that's happened in a decade, what do you all who have been reading and keeping up think?'

I'm not going to indulge your lunacy of blaming one company for the failings of another. Alien had nothing to do with DMG's *SQUEE* ups. They weren't around when they happened. They only recently became involved with publishing VALIANT comics.

There's no truth to the claim that DMG and Alien are completely separate entities. For example, the current Alien Editor in Chief was already a Senior Editor as far back as Harbinger 1(2021) and probably earlier.

Ok, all it took was a simple google search.

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So the current Editor-in-Chief of Alien Books has been an Editor since the very beginning of the DMG era and been a Senior Editor for over 4 years.

You can't say that there's no relation between DMG Valiant and Alien Valiant. If anything, Alien is DMG 2.0.

No, it's not. Alien is a separate company that licensed the IP AND also hired members of the VALIANT staff. That doesn't make them the same company.

[Ryan]

You are the one who claimed that there is no truth to the argument that they are separate entities in a discussion about corporate ownership and whether or not Alien is to blame for DMG's screw ups. And in two distinct posts you used Alien hiring VALIANT's editor as "proof" of DMG and Alien being the same.

Never said anything about 'corporate entities' or who owns who. Stop lying please. And it's DMG's Senior Editor to Alien's Editor-in-Chief. Have some respect.

Stop trying to backtrack.

The discussion between me and that imbecile had to do with ownership, and your contribution to it was to claim that there is no truth to my stating that they are different companies.

Tell me, how do you want to 'win' this argument? What would make you feel better? All I said was my opinion after reading the comics, do you want me to retract that?

[Ryan]

You are the one who claimed that there is no truth to the argument that they are separate entities in a discussion about corporate ownership and whether or not Alien is to blame for DMG's screw ups. And in two distinct posts you used Alien hiring VALIANT's editor as "proof" of DMG and Alien being the same.

Never said anything about 'corporate entities' or who owns who. Stop lying please. And it's DMG's Senior Editor to Alien's Editor-in-Chief. Have some respect.

Stop trying to backtrack.

The discussion between me and that imbecile had to do with ownership, and your contribution to it was to claim that there is no truth to my stating that they are different companies.

Not true at all, I was only discussing my experience reading the comics. There was no ownership argument as far as I knew.

There was. You can go back and read it yourself.

I haven't shilled for anyone. All I've done is tell people to stop *SQUEE* on Alien for DMG's *SQUEE* ups. They are two completely different companies, and whatever DMG did should not be visited on their successor.

Alien licensed the IPs from DMG to make new comics the same way Voyager licensed Solar, Turok, and Magnus from whoever owned them in the '90s.

You didn't see people *SQUEE* over Voyager/VALIANT for the screw ups that happened with those characters in the '80s, did you?

Prior to the Alien launch, people here kept *SQUEE* on them for things DMG did even before they had published one comic.

But you haven't read the DMG books either so how do you know Alien shouldn't get the blame?

I would suggest you stop feeling the need to voice an opinion that is not grounded in any actual experience or information.

Why would Alien get the blame for things that happened long before they were involved with VALIANT and DMG? That's insane.

Having this opinion with literally no idea what you're talking about is insane. You don't need an opinion on everything. It's okay to say, 'I'm not familiar what anything that's happened in a decade, what do you all who have been reading and keeping up think?'

I'm not going to indulge your lunacy of blaming one company for the failings of another. Alien had nothing to do with DMG's *SQUEE* ups. They weren't around when they happened. They only recently became involved with publishing VALIANT comics.

There's no truth to the claim that DMG and Alien are completely separate entities. For example, the current Alien Editor in Chief was already a Senior Editor as far back as Harbinger 1(2021) and probably earlier.

Ok, all it took was a simple google search.

Screenshot 2024-08-14 234009.png


So the current Editor-in-Chief of Alien Books has been an Editor since the very beginning of the DMG era and been a Senior Editor for over 4 years.

You can't say that there's no relation between DMG Valiant and Alien Valiant. If anything, Alien is DMG 2.0.

No, it's not. Alien is a separate company that licensed the IP AND also hired members of the VALIANT staff. That doesn't make them the same company.

Yup, no one said "they are the same company" except you.

Tell me, how do you want to 'win' this argument? What would make you feel better? All I said was my opinion after reading the comics, do you want me to retract that?

[ManofTheAtom]

You are the one who claimed that there is no truth to the argument that they are separate entities in a discussion about corporate ownership and whether or not Alien is to blame for DMG's screw ups. And in two distinct posts you used Alien hiring VALIANT's editor as "proof" of DMG and Alien being the same.

Never said anything about 'corporate entities' or who owns who. Stop lying please. And it's DMG's Senior Editor to Alien's Editor-in-Chief. Have some respect.

Stop trying to backtrack.

The discussion between me and that imbecile had to do with ownership, and your contribution to it was to claim that there is no truth to my stating that they are different companies.

Tell me, how do you want to 'win' this argument? What would make you feel better? All I said was my opinion after reading the comics, do you want me to retract that?

You keep making it about "reading the comics", as if Alien not rebooting made them the same corporate entity as DMG and, therefore, liable for DMG *SQUEE* up fulfillment of the Kickstarter.

You have to accept that THAT is the topic of the discussion you contributed to when you claimed that there is no truth to MY argument that they are separate entities.

[Ryan]

You keep making it about "reading the comics", as if Alien not rebooting made them the same corporate entity as DMG and, therefore, liable for DMG *SQUEE* up fulfillment of the Kickstarter.

You have to accept that THAT is the topic of the discussion you contributed to when you claimed that there is no truth to MY argument that they are separate entities.

Wtf bro, all I've ever done is 'read the comics' and give my opinion. They aren't that much different from DMG in quality, probably worse

That's all I got man, I love the original comics but these 'discussions' are worthless. I'll happily say 'DMG and Alien are not the same company' if that will make you feel better. But I suspect it won't. Sorry

[ManofTheAtom]

You keep making it about "reading the comics", as if Alien not rebooting made them the same corporate entity as DMG and, therefore, liable for DMG *SQUEE* up fulfillment of the Kickstarter.

You have to accept that THAT is the topic of the discussion you contributed to when you claimed that there is no truth to MY argument that they are separate entities.

Wtf bro, all I've ever done is 'read the comics' and give my opinion. They aren't that much different from DMG in quality, probably worse

That's all I got man, I love the original comics but these 'discussions' are worthless. I'll happily say 'DMG and Alien are not the same company' if that will make you feel better. But I suspect it won't. Sorry

But that is not all you did.

What do you did was argue that my claim that they are separate companies is false (you argued that there is no truth to it), and then used one hiring the other's editor as proof.

You conflated Alien continuing VALIANT's fictional narrative with Alien and DMG being the same company and, therefore, the former being liable for the latter's failure to fulfill a Kickstarter.

[Ryan]

You keep making it about "reading the comics", as if Alien not rebooting made them the same corporate entity as DMG and, therefore, liable for DMG *SQUEE* up fulfillment of the Kickstarter.

You have to accept that THAT is the topic of the discussion you contributed to when you claimed that there is no truth to MY argument that they are separate entities.

Wtf bro, all I've ever done is 'read the comics' and give my opinion. They aren't that much different from DMG in quality, probably worse

That's all I got man, I love the original comics but these 'discussions' are worthless. I'll happily say 'DMG and Alien are not the same company' if that will make you feel better. But I suspect it won't. Sorry

But that is not all you did.

What do you did was argue that my claim that they are separate companies is false (you argued that there is no truth to it), and then used one hiring the other's editor as proof.

You conflated Alien continuing VALIANT's fictional narrative with Alien and DMG being the same company and, therefore, the former being liable for the latter's failure to fulfill a Kickstarter.

Ok. I'm sorry you feel that way. The comics still suck. That's all I was trying to get across.

[ManofTheAtom]

You keep making it about "reading the comics", as if Alien not rebooting made them the same corporate entity as DMG and, therefore, liable for DMG *SQUEE* up fulfillment of the Kickstarter.

You have to accept that THAT is the topic of the discussion you contributed to when you claimed that there is no truth to MY argument that they are separate entities.

Wtf bro, all I've ever done is 'read the comics' and give my opinion. They aren't that much different from DMG in quality, probably worse

That's all I got man, I love the original comics but these 'discussions' are worthless. I'll happily say 'DMG and Alien are not the same company' if that will make you feel better. But I suspect it won't. Sorry

But that is not all you did.

What do you did was argue that my claim that they are separate companies is false (you argued that there is no truth to it), and then used one hiring the other's editor as proof.

You conflated Alien continuing VALIANT's fictional narrative with Alien and DMG being the same company and, therefore, the former being liable for the latter's failure to fulfill a Kickstarter.

Ok. I'm sorry you feel that way. The comics still suck. That's all I was trying to get across.

I understand that is what you were trying to get across. That's been clear from the start.

What I'm trying to make you understand is that you inserted an argument about one topic into an argument about a different topic.

[Ryan]

I understand that is what you were trying to get across. That's been clear from the start.

What I'm trying to make you understand is that you inserted an argument about one topic into an argument about a different topic.

Cool, I guess that was an accident then because I never intended to say more than what I said.

[Chiclo]

And, yet, you're making it again. You're the one who is STILL arguing that they are the same.

You're the one who cannot distinguish between Alien continuing a fictional narrative started by another company with corporate ownership.

I know you're going to ignore this because we've already said these exact same words, but saying they 'aren't completely separate entities' and saying 'they are the same business' are 2 different things. Yes or no?

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