Alien break the rules of the Valiant Universe!

[ManofTheAtom]

100% agree. VH1 and VEI both did a good job of breaking this rule tbh. Bloodshot essentially dies all the time and comes back. Deathmate died and came back in The Valiant. Both were awesome and had consequences.

Bloodshot does not die. The nanites regenerate his injuries and organs or sustain his life when he suffers what would otherwise be traumatic injuries.

What Silk is doing is reviving the dead, which is something that, to date, only necromancers and the immortals transformed by the Boon have been able to do. So, either he has reassembled or recreated the Boon, is working with a necromancer, or has found a third means to revive the dead.

As usual, so much wrong with your take. Gross lack of comprehensive reading of the comics and probably some misunderstanding what you have read and a healthy dose of "Shooter said it in an interview so it must be true' even though the stories do the opposite.

Well he’s right about Bloodshot, he doesn’t ‘die’ each time.
Agree on the Kay McHenry coming back from the dead as Deathmate was a bit dodgy.

Nanites were used to bring Kay "back to life".

Good point, I’d forgotten that.

[Ryan]

That's not true in the least. I'll read them after I have a chance to catch up from where I left off, which will take time when I can.

Then why constantly shill for a comics line you've never read? That would be like me going to a Milestone comics message board and getting into arguments defending their new comics even though I've only ever read the old ones. See how absurd that sounds?

I appreciate the posters like Dallow Spicer, ferg, and the Harbinger because they're at least reading the books and giving their honest opinions.

Alien have put out over 20 comics by now, all easily accessible. There's no excuse not to at least read a few if you're going to defend them in every post.

[ManofTheAtom]

That's not true in the least. I'll read them after I have a chance to catch up from where I left off, which will take time when I can.

Then why constantly shill for a comics line you've never read? That would be like me going to a Milestone comics message board and getting into arguments defending their new comics even though I've only ever read the old ones. See how absurd that sounds?

I appreciate the posters like Dallow Spicer, ferg, and the Harbinger because they're at least reading the books and giving their honest opinions.

Alien have put out over 20 comics by now, all easily accessible. There's no excuse not to at least read a few if you're going to defend them in every post.

I haven't shilled for anyone. All I've done is tell people to stop *SQUEE* on Alien for DMG's *SQUEE* ups. They are two completely different companies, and whatever DMG did should not be visited on their successor.

Alien licensed the IPs from DMG to make new comics the same way Voyager licensed Solar, Turok, and Magnus from whoever owned them in the '90s.

You didn't see people *SQUEE* over Voyager/VALIANT for the screw ups that happened with those characters in the '80s, did you?

Prior to the Alien launch, people here kept *SQUEE* on them for things DMG did even before they had published one comic.

[syzhang28]

That's not true in the least. I'll read them after I have a chance to catch up from where I left off, which will take time when I can.

Then why constantly shill for a comics line you've never read? That would be like me going to a Milestone comics message board and getting into arguments defending their new comics even though I've only ever read the old ones. See how absurd that sounds?

I appreciate the posters like Dallow Spicer, ferg, and the Harbinger because they're at least reading the books and giving their honest opinions.

Alien have put out over 20 comics by now, all easily accessible. There's no excuse not to at least read a few if you're going to defend them in every post.

I haven't shilled for anyone. All I've done is tell people to stop *SQUEE* on Alien for DMG's *SQUEE* ups. They are two completely different companies, and whatever DMG did should not be visited on their successor.

Alien licensed the IPs from DMG to make new comics the same way Voyager licensed Solar, Turok, and Magnus from whoever owned them in the '90s.

You didn't see people *SQUEE* over Voyager/VALIANT for the screw ups that happened with those characters in the '80s, did you?

Prior to the Alien launch, people here kept *SQUEE* on them for things DMG did even before they had published one comic.

But you haven't read the DMG books either so how do you know Alien shouldn't get the blame?

I would suggest you stop feeling the need to voice an opinion that is not grounded in any actual experience or information.

[ManofTheAtom]

That's not true in the least. I'll read them after I have a chance to catch up from where I left off, which will take time when I can.

Then why constantly shill for a comics line you've never read? That would be like me going to a Milestone comics message board and getting into arguments defending their new comics even though I've only ever read the old ones. See how absurd that sounds?

I appreciate the posters like Dallow Spicer, ferg, and the Harbinger because they're at least reading the books and giving their honest opinions.

Alien have put out over 20 comics by now, all easily accessible. There's no excuse not to at least read a few if you're going to defend them in every post.

I haven't shilled for anyone. All I've done is tell people to stop *SQUEE* on Alien for DMG's *SQUEE* ups. They are two completely different companies, and whatever DMG did should not be visited on their successor.

Alien licensed the IPs from DMG to make new comics the same way Voyager licensed Solar, Turok, and Magnus from whoever owned them in the '90s.

You didn't see people *SQUEE* over Voyager/VALIANT for the screw ups that happened with those characters in the '80s, did you?

Prior to the Alien launch, people here kept *SQUEE* on them for things DMG did even before they had published one comic.

But you haven't read the DMG books either so how do you know Alien shouldn't get the blame?

I would suggest you stop feeling the need to voice an opinion that is not grounded in any actual experience or information.

Why would Alien get the blame for things that happened long before they were involved with VALIANT and DMG? That's insane.

[syzhang28]

That's not true in the least. I'll read them after I have a chance to catch up from where I left off, which will take time when I can.

Then why constantly shill for a comics line you've never read? That would be like me going to a Milestone comics message board and getting into arguments defending their new comics even though I've only ever read the old ones. See how absurd that sounds?

I appreciate the posters like Dallow Spicer, ferg, and the Harbinger because they're at least reading the books and giving their honest opinions.

Alien have put out over 20 comics by now, all easily accessible. There's no excuse not to at least read a few if you're going to defend them in every post.

I haven't shilled for anyone. All I've done is tell people to stop *SQUEE* on Alien for DMG's *SQUEE* ups. They are two completely different companies, and whatever DMG did should not be visited on their successor.

Alien licensed the IPs from DMG to make new comics the same way Voyager licensed Solar, Turok, and Magnus from whoever owned them in the '90s.

You didn't see people *SQUEE* over Voyager/VALIANT for the screw ups that happened with those characters in the '80s, did you?

Prior to the Alien launch, people here kept *SQUEE* on them for things DMG did even before they had published one comic.

But you haven't read the DMG books either so how do you know Alien shouldn't get the blame?

I would suggest you stop feeling the need to voice an opinion that is not grounded in any actual experience or information.

Why would Alien get the blame for things that happened long before they were involved with VALIANT and DMG? That's insane.

Having this opinion with literally no idea what you're talking about is insane. You don't need an opinion on everything. It's okay to say, 'I'm not familiar what anything that's happened in a decade, what do you all who have been reading and keeping up think?'

[ManofTheAtom]

That's not true in the least. I'll read them after I have a chance to catch up from where I left off, which will take time when I can.

Then why constantly shill for a comics line you've never read? That would be like me going to a Milestone comics message board and getting into arguments defending their new comics even though I've only ever read the old ones. See how absurd that sounds?

I appreciate the posters like Dallow Spicer, ferg, and the Harbinger because they're at least reading the books and giving their honest opinions.

Alien have put out over 20 comics by now, all easily accessible. There's no excuse not to at least read a few if you're going to defend them in every post.

I haven't shilled for anyone. All I've done is tell people to stop *SQUEE* on Alien for DMG's *SQUEE* ups. They are two completely different companies, and whatever DMG did should not be visited on their successor.

Alien licensed the IPs from DMG to make new comics the same way Voyager licensed Solar, Turok, and Magnus from whoever owned them in the '90s.

You didn't see people *SQUEE* over Voyager/VALIANT for the screw ups that happened with those characters in the '80s, did you?

Prior to the Alien launch, people here kept *SQUEE* on them for things DMG did even before they had published one comic.

But you haven't read the DMG books either so how do you know Alien shouldn't get the blame?

I would suggest you stop feeling the need to voice an opinion that is not grounded in any actual experience or information.

Why would Alien get the blame for things that happened long before they were involved with VALIANT and DMG? That's insane.

Having this opinion with literally no idea what you're talking about is insane. You don't need an opinion on everything. It's okay to say, 'I'm not familiar what anything that's happened in a decade, what do you all who have been reading and keeping up think?'

I'm not going to indulge your lunacy of blaming one company for the failings of another. Alien had nothing to do with DMG's *SQUEE* ups. They weren't around when they happened. They only recently became involved with publishing VALIANT comics.

[Ryan]

I'm not going to indulge your lunacy of blaming one company for the failings of another. Alien had nothing to do with DMG's *SQUEE* ups. They weren't around when they happened. They only recently became involved with publishing VALIANT comics.

There's no truth to the claim that DMG and Alien are completely separate entities. For example, the current Alien Editor in Chief was already a Senior Editor as far back as Harbinger 1(2021) and probably earlier.

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But it doesn't matter anymore anyway, the whole 'how DMG is Alien' discussion has long since passed. Alien has already published more that 20 Valiant comics on their own. There's more than enough to form an opinion.

Like syzhang said, how do you even know DMG comics are "F-ups" if you haven't read them? Some people must have liked them. Their creators certainly must have thought they were good, and their Senior Editor no doubt had to believe in them.

[Ryan]

Ok, all it took was a simple google search.

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So the current Editor-in-Chief of Alien Books has been an Editor since the very beginning of the DMG era and been a Senior Editor for over 4 years.

You can't say that there's no relation between DMG Valiant and Alien Valiant. If anything, Alien is DMG 2.0.

[Dallow Spicer1]

Ok, all it took was a simple google search.

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So the current Editor-in-Chief of Alien Books has been an Editor since the very beginning of the DMG era and been a Senior Editor for over 4 years.

You can't say that there's no relation between DMG Valiant and Alien Valiant. If anything, Alien is DMG 2.0.

I think Lysa Hawkins is a big part of the problem (if she’s the one who selects talent). I know during the debacle of the DMG era they had other editors too (Antos being one) so all the blame can’t be on Hawkins. But, a lot of the poor editorial choices continue so change is needed.

[ManofTheAtom]

Ok, all it took was a simple google search.

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So the current Editor-in-Chief of Alien Books has been an Editor since the very beginning of the DMG era and been a Senior Editor for over 4 years.

You can't say that there's no relation between DMG Valiant and Alien Valiant. If anything, Alien is DMG 2.0.

No, it's not. Alien is a separate company that licensed the IP AND also hired members of the VALIANT staff. That doesn't make them the same company.

[ManofTheAtom]

I'm not going to indulge your lunacy of blaming one company for the failings of another. Alien had nothing to do with DMG's *SQUEE* ups. They weren't around when they happened. They only recently became involved with publishing VALIANT comics.

There's no truth to the claim that DMG and Alien are completely separate entities. For example, the current Alien Editor in Chief was already a Senior Editor as far back as Harbinger 1(2021) and probably earlier.
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But it doesn't matter anymore anyway, the whole 'how DMG is Alien' discussion has long since passed. Alien has already published more that 20 Valiant comics on their own. There's more than enough to form an opinion.

Like syzhang said, how do you even know DMG comics are "F-ups" if you haven't read them? Some people must have liked them. Their creators certainly must have thought they were good, and their Senior Editor no doubt had to believe in them.

People's opinion would certainly differ to the quality of the comics, but the fact that many do hate them makes them *SQUEE* ups.

[ManofTheAtom]

Walter Black has worked at Acclaim, VEI, and DMG (and maybe also Alien? I'm not clear on that).

That doesn't make VEI and DMG accountable for everything Acclaim did wrong.

[syzhang28]

Ok, all it took was a simple google search.

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So the current Editor-in-Chief of Alien Books has been an Editor since the very beginning of the DMG era and been a Senior Editor for over 4 years.

You can't say that there's no relation between DMG Valiant and Alien Valiant. If anything, Alien is DMG 2.0.

No, it's not. Alien is a separate company that licensed the IP AND also hired members of the VALIANT staff. That doesn't make them the same company.

Just so wrong. And now also clearly ignorant. Why do you insist on continuing to spread misinformation and not do any form of self education?

[syzhang28]

Walter Black has worked at Acclaim, VEI, and DMG (and maybe also Alien? I'm not clear on that).

That doesn't make VEI and DMG accountable for everything Acclaim did wrong.

If you knew anything about DMG or frankly VEI, you would know this answer.

[Ryan]

I think Lysa Hawkins is a big part of the problem (if she’s the one who selects talent). I know during the debacle of the DMG era they had other editors too (Antos being one) so all the blame can’t be on Hawkins. But, a lot of the poor editorial choices continue so change is needed.

All I'm saying is that she's been involved since the beginning of DMG-Valiant, so the fact that she's EiC now proves that Alien isn't some radical departure from the DMG era.

[Ryan]

People's opinion would certainly differ to the quality of the comics, but the fact that many do hate them makes them *SQUEE* ups.

Quoting from another thread, Ferg has read them and liked about half.

Obviously we probably disagree on the specifics, but here's how I see the DMG era. That's about 50/50 in my book.

Good (14): Livewire (1st arc), Incursion, Punk Mambo, Fallen World, Rai (2 arcs), Killers, Dr. Tomorrow, Shadowman (2 arcs), A&A Forever, Bloodshot Unleashed, X-O Manowar: Unconquered, Book of Shadows

Good, but flawed (7): Psi-Lords (2 arcs), Dr. Mirage, The Harbinger (2 arcs), Armorclads, Ninjak: Superkillers

Bad (15): Bloodshot Rising Spirit (2ish arcs), Livewire (2 arcs), The Forgotten Queen, Bloodshot (3ish arcs), Roku, The Visitor, Quantum & Woody!, X-O Manowar (2 arcs), Savage, Ninjak

I would say read the books (or at least a sampling) and decide for yourself. Instead of creating some narrative out of thin air that DMG and Alien are completely separate entities.

I've only read a handful of both (DMG and Alien) and there wasn't a big difference to me.

I definitely don't agree with Ferg's list, I know I at least read the first Livewire arc and it was nowhere close to good in my book. But opinions vary obviously. Someone is reading these titles, right?

[syzhang28]

I would say read the books (or at least a sampling) and decide for yourself. Instead of creating some narrative out of thin air that DMG and Alien are completely separate entities.

Truth

[syzhang28]

I've only read a handful of both (DMG and Alien) and there wasn't a big difference to me.

What MOTA doesn't want to understand is that a license doesn't include creative control. Everything Alien wants to do, DMG must approve.

[Dallow Spicer1]

Let’s cut MOTA some slack fellas. He’s obviously got his reasons for not being able to read the books right now.

As an aside, let’s get discussing the actual books in the review section, that’s been pretty quiet for a good ‘ol while.

[ManofTheAtom]

Ok, all it took was a simple google search.

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So the current Editor-in-Chief of Alien Books has been an Editor since the very beginning of the DMG era and been a Senior Editor for over 4 years.

You can't say that there's no relation between DMG Valiant and Alien Valiant. If anything, Alien is DMG 2.0.

No, it's not. Alien is a separate company that licensed the IP AND also hired members of the VALIANT staff. That doesn't make them the same company.

Just so wrong. And now also clearly ignorant. Why do you insist on continuing to spread misinformation and not do any form of self education?

Alien is not DMG in disguise. They are two separate companies, the former of which licenses the IP from the latter.

If you cannot understand something that simple, then this conversation cannot continue.

You're the one spreading misinformation, making it sound as if they are one and the same for the simple reason that Alien hired VALIANT employees.

By that narrow-minded standard, VEI is the same as Acclaim because they hired Walter Black, and would have been the same as Voyager had they been able to secure Shooter's employment for their relaunch.

[Ryan]

I've only read a handful of both (DMG and Alien) and there wasn't a big difference to me.

What MOTA doesn't want to understand is that a license doesn't include creative control. Everything Alien wants to do, DMG must approve.

Indeed. It never made any sense that they (DMG) bought these characters for a ton of money then they're going to give total creative control to some company that had put only put out a few comics.

The main thing that seemed to change is the art, so maybe part of Alien is they have access to an art studio in Argentina that's able to produce the comics in a more affordable way.

There does seem to be more of a focus on cohesion of the titles as well. A difference since DMG 2018-2022 books didn't seem to have much cohesion at all.

[ManofTheAtom]

I think Lysa Hawkins is a big part of the problem (if she’s the one who selects talent). I know during the debacle of the DMG era they had other editors too (Antos being one) so all the blame can’t be on Hawkins. But, a lot of the poor editorial choices continue so change is needed.

All I'm saying is that she's been involved since the beginning of DMG-Valiant, so the fact that she's EiC now proves that Alien isn't some radical departure from the DMG era.

Alien retaining the same continuity from DMG does not make them the same company.

This is such a simple fact that I have no idea why people keep rejecting it.

Alien is not DMG in disguise.

[ManofTheAtom]

People's opinion would certainly differ to the quality of the comics, but the fact that many do hate them makes them *SQUEE* ups.

Quoting from another thread, Ferg has read them and liked about half.

Obviously we probably disagree on the specifics, but here's how I see the DMG era. That's about 50/50 in my book.

Good (14): Livewire (1st arc), Incursion, Punk Mambo, Fallen World, Rai (2 arcs), Killers, Dr. Tomorrow, Shadowman (2 arcs), A&A Forever, Bloodshot Unleashed, X-O Manowar: Unconquered, Book of Shadows

Good, but flawed (7): Psi-Lords (2 arcs), Dr. Mirage, The Harbinger (2 arcs), Armorclads, Ninjak: Superkillers

Bad (15): Bloodshot Rising Spirit (2ish arcs), Livewire (2 arcs), The Forgotten Queen, Bloodshot (3ish arcs), Roku, The Visitor, Quantum & Woody!, X-O Manowar (2 arcs), Savage, Ninjak

I would say read the books (or at least a sampling) and decide for yourself. Instead of creating some narrative out of thin air that DMG and Alien are completely separate entities.

I've only read a handful of both (DMG and Alien) and there wasn't a big difference to me.

I definitely don't agree with Ferg's list, I know I at least read the first Livewire arc and it was nowhere close to good in my book. But opinions vary obviously. Someone is reading these titles, right?

It's not a narrative out of thin air. Alien and DMG ARE two different companies. This is a very simple fact.

Alien retaining prior canon and hiring VALIANT staff does not make them the same company.

Disney is not the same as Fox, just because they keep the same staff or make Star Wars movies set in the same canon as those made by Fox.

[ManofTheAtom]

I've only read a handful of both (DMG and Alien) and there wasn't a big difference to me.

What MOTA doesn't want to understand is that a license doesn't include creative control. Everything Alien wants to do, DMG must approve.

What you don't want to understand is that that has no relevance to whether or not Alien and DMG are two different companies.

You keep arguing about canon while I'm trying to get you to understand that they are not the same corporate entities.

if Alien had started from scratch instead of continued the previous canon you'd be whining about that.