Post Resurgence

[ManofTheAtom]

Potentially, the most interesting thing in a hypothetical meeting between VH-1 Faith and VEI Faith would be the latter's relationship with VEI Archer, where, in contrast, VH-1 Archer married VH-1 Flamingo.

I have zero interest in the old Valiant being brought into modern day. Bring back the days of very high quality event stories that were accessible to everyone and had top creators like Book of Death, Armor Hunters, The Valiant.

There's room for all. It's all about context.

Agreed but I don't want old versions of those characters trying to be culturally relevant. I already have culturally relevant versions. They're in VEI. The main reason to bring them to the modern day has already been done without the baggage of the oldness of 90s Valiant.

I think you missed my point. I'm not saying bring them back as if no time had passed, but rather show where they are now in their own canon.

[Chiclo]

Potentially, the most interesting thing in a hypothetical meeting between VH-1 Faith and VEI Faith would be the latter's relationship with VEI Archer, where, in contrast, VH-1 Archer married VH-1 Flamingo.

I have zero interest in the old Valiant being brought into modern day. Bring back the days of very high quality event stories that were accessible to everyone and had top creators like Book of Death, Armor Hunters, The Valiant.

There's room for all. It's all about context.

Agreed but I don't want old versions of those characters trying to be culturally relevant. I already have culturally relevant versions. They're in VEI. The main reason to bring them to the modern day has already been done without the baggage of the oldness of 90s Valiant.

I think you missed my point. I'm not saying bring them back as if no time had passed, but rather show where they are now in their own canon.

What, like with them as still teenagers? Does Valiant even work that way?

[syzhang28]

Matt Kindt didn't write Book of Death or Armor Hunters. You should read the comics before you dismiss them or make insults to people who bring them up.

I love 90s comics. I'm here because of them. But VEI didn't just modernize them they did it better. Then they expanded way past what 90s did or was ever gonna do. Your argument that they aren't more popular is broken. 90s comics are not popular, by your definition that would mean they aren't good. Moreover, 90s comics were beyond unpopular 10-15 years after they came out. The 1991 Valiant comics in 2001-2006 were a ghost town. They didn't really come back into popularity until VEI showed everyone just how good Valiant and the characters can be. 2012 was VEI. we're 13 years later. We're in what 2003 was for 90s Valiant. VEI is way more popular today than Valiant was in 2003. Quality and popularity do not go hand in hand. And if you want to make that argument, then here it is - proof that VEI is good? They even made 90s Valiant popular again.

Can we stop making it a 90s or VEI argument. They are both amazing. In different ways. I can like both and not want MOTAs tired, first idea, amateur writer fantasies to come true. If VEI had continued with the right people still in charge I bet we would have had 90s Valiant brought back and it would have been great.

Show me one insult I've made. Not liking a comic or a writer is an insult now?

You obviously weren't here in the 2000s, 90s Valiant was popular. It was a cult following with a small but rabid fanbase that would buy anything Valiant and were dying for new comics. You still never answer my simple question "if VEI were so much better than the 90s versions then why isn't there a cult following for those books like there was for the 90s comics? Where is the rabid fanbase? Where is anyone even re-reading or discussing these comics?"

Your post read very condescending. If it wasn't meant to be an insult then perhaps soften your tone.

I was here in the 2000s. There were maybe 50 valiant fans that cared and most were posting here. Just look at how cheap you could get the most sought after books, you couldn't get them away in the early 2000s. I did answer your question. There is a massive rabid fan base. Those fans are keeping Valiant alive. They are the ones buying the garbage that a 3rd rate publisher is putting out from a license from the people that stole Valiant from the people that did the impossible and made it work again. Zero chance that any of that would sell without a rabid fanbase. The facebook page is very active and over 100,000 people strong. Are you going to find many of them here? No more than you'll find prequel trilogy fans on an original trilogy message board. This isn't Valiant fans dot com. This is VH1 fans dot com.

[syzhang28]

The 1991 Valiant comics in 2001-2006 were a ghost town. They didn't really come back into popularity until VEI showed everyone just how good Valiant and the characters can be. 2012 was VEI.

Yeah you obviously weren't here or in the fanbase. 2001-06 a Ghost town? It was a vibrant and growing fanbase (despite no new comics), just look at the archives here even though the first 2 years of the board (02-04) were lost in the crash. I was here, those were some of the most lively years on this board and in this fanbase. You have no idea what you're talking about. You're just making up 'facts' out of thin air to support your argument.

The initial success of VEI was due to there already being a rabid core of fans who would do anything for new Valiant books. Who were the ones pumping up the sales on variants and pre-orders? Who were the ones positive review bombing the early trades on Amazon to try and help promote them? The hardcore fans from this board who were fans of the 90s comics and had waited years for new comics, that's who.

VEI is way more popular today than Valiant was in 2003.

That's demonstrably false. A better description for the popularity of Valiant (VEI) today (for the last 7 years at least) is a Ghost town.

You need to get out of this bubble. You sound like the people who said George Lucas ruined my childhood when the Phantom Menace came out. Now that's more popular than the A New Hope.

[syzhang28]

Potentially, the most interesting thing in a hypothetical meeting between VH-1 Faith and VEI Faith would be the latter's relationship with VEI Archer, where, in contrast, VH-1 Archer married VH-1 Flamingo.

I have zero interest in the old Valiant being brought into modern day. Bring back the days of very high quality event stories that were accessible to everyone and had top creators like Book of Death, Armor Hunters, The Valiant.

There's room for all. It's all about context.

Agreed but I don't want old versions of those characters trying to be culturally relevant. I already have culturally relevant versions. They're in VEI. The main reason to bring them to the modern day has already been done without the baggage of the oldness of 90s Valiant.

I think you missed my point. I'm not saying bring them back as if no time had passed, but rather show where they are now in their own canon.

Yeah, I got you. It's lame. I don't want to see super old man Harada fighting middle aged Pete. Thanks anyway.

[ManofTheAtom]

Potentially, the most interesting thing in a hypothetical meeting between VH-1 Faith and VEI Faith would be the latter's relationship with VEI Archer, where, in contrast, VH-1 Archer married VH-1 Flamingo.

I have zero interest in the old Valiant being brought into modern day. Bring back the days of very high quality event stories that were accessible to everyone and had top creators like Book of Death, Armor Hunters, The Valiant.

There's room for all. It's all about context.

Agreed but I don't want old versions of those characters trying to be culturally relevant. I already have culturally relevant versions. They're in VEI. The main reason to bring them to the modern day has already been done without the baggage of the oldness of 90s Valiant.

I think you missed my point. I'm not saying bring them back as if no time had passed, but rather show where they are now in their own canon.

What, like with them as still teenagers? Does Valiant even work that way?

Nowhere close to what I said...

[ManofTheAtom]

Potentially, the most interesting thing in a hypothetical meeting between VH-1 Faith and VEI Faith would be the latter's relationship with VEI Archer, where, in contrast, VH-1 Archer married VH-1 Flamingo.

I have zero interest in the old Valiant being brought into modern day. Bring back the days of very high quality event stories that were accessible to everyone and had top creators like Book of Death, Armor Hunters, The Valiant.

There's room for all. It's all about context.

Agreed but I don't want old versions of those characters trying to be culturally relevant. I already have culturally relevant versions. They're in VEI. The main reason to bring them to the modern day has already been done without the baggage of the oldness of 90s Valiant.

I think you missed my point. I'm not saying bring them back as if no time had passed, but rather show where they are now in their own canon.

Yeah, I got you. It's lame. I don't want to see super old man Harada fighting middle aged Pete. Thanks anyway.

You wouldn't. Read Rai #0...

[Ryan]

Your post read very condescending. If it wasn't meant to be an insult then perhaps soften your tone.

I was here in the 2000s. There were maybe 50 valiant fans that cared and most were posting here. Just look at how cheap you could get the most sought after books, you couldn't get them away in the early 2000s. I did answer your question. There is a massive rabid fan base. Those fans are keeping Valiant alive. They are the ones buying the garbage that a 3rd rate publisher is putting out from a license from the people that stole Valiant from the people that did the impossible and made it work again. Zero chance that any of that would sell without a rabid fanbase. The facebook page is very active and over 100,000 people strong. Are you going to find many of them here? No more than you'll find prequel trilogy fans on an original trilogy message board. This isn't Valiant fans dot com. This is VH1 fans dot com.

LOL the biggest troll on this board is now the tone police because I don't like a comic book he likes. I thought this was a comic book discussion board? How could I have said it 'softer' so your feelings weren't hurt?

Right man, your so full of it. This board was founded in 2002 because there were tons of valiant fans dying to discuss the comics and connect with other fans, re-reading, collecting, discussing constantly. But according to you it was a ghost town. Now it was only 50 people. Lol just admit you have no idea and you weren't here. But we all know you won't.

This board was full of VEI fans during 2012-2018. The only reason it seems like there's more 'old school' fans on this board now is because almost all of the posters from the VEI era have totally disappeared. The few people who post here tend to be the older fans just because we're the only ones left.

[mrwoogieman]

I'm so out of the loop that I thought the title of this thread, "Post Resurgance", meant that more people were posting on this website!

[ManofTheAtom]

I'm so out of the loop that I thought the title of this thread, "Post Resurgance", meant that more people were posting on this website!

If only, heh.