Poll to settle the Alien v DMG debate!

[The Harbinger]

Essentially does a lot of heavy lifting here in that question option.

Technically, No, Alien and DMG are not the same company.

Alien inherited DMG's promises and reputation. When you have mergers in business, you have one taking on the responsibility and promises of the other. Spectrum became in charge of Charter's customers. They have to answer for any issues in the existing customer base they just took on. Same can apply here. Not sure Alien could do much for the Kickstarter, but they are the ones you go to about the issue to give your frustrations. DMG may have caused the issue, but Alien was responsible for cleaning it up if they want to use those rights. It's just the way it goes.

ESSENTIALLY, they kept the senior editor and some of the staff, and while Danielle says titles mean nothing, I would have to think the senior editor means hiring and calling a few shots on the creative direction as well as thinking about funding and what keeps the lights on. I think Alien is doing a little better than DMG (remember Visitor and Harbinger, yuck!) just because there seems to be an effort to clean up mistakes.

I don't think it should've taken 30 issues to set up a visionary goal to begin again and get it right this time, but there is a quiet acknowledgement the previous content was terrible. I'll take what I can get.

I have no opinion of Hawkins, except that being able to work well with Antos is a reason to be cautious. If she keeps her head down and makes great comics, this can be the start of something great. The Silk storyline has potential to be something.

[Dallow Spicer1]

Agree with the above apart from Alien and DMG haven’t merged. Isn’t it similar to Image having the rights to publish Hasboro, IDW publishing Star Trek? Presumably DMG can pass the licence onto whoever once the Alien deal ends.

That’s how I assume it works

[daniellew61]

I’m kind of on your side, I think the problem is Fred Pierce who hires the editors and the fact they kept Lysa Hawkins who has continued to produce ‘patchy’ at best books is the issue. We need new vision, someone in charge who can pick better creators more consistently. I assume Hawkins has been behind the greater ties to continuity, which is a good idea, but the implementation has been clunky and too much too soon.

So, my intention in the poll was to include editors, EIC’s etc as they hire talent.

And how is that relevant to whether or not Alien and DMG are the same company and Alien is liable for DMG screwing up fulfilling the Scorched Earth Kickstarter, which is what people continually blamed Alien for months before they launched their comics?

I can’t see how Alien inherited DMGs garbage Kickstarter, that doesn’t make sense.

For months prior to the launch of Alien's first VALIANT comic some people here continually harassed Alien's owner and staff over DMG's failure to fulfill the Scorched Earth Kickstarter, as if they were liable for DMG's screw ups.

The harassment got to the point that they decided to stop coming here altogether and be part of the community.

When you say staff…do you mean Lysa Hawkins who was editor at DMG and Alien? Who were fans supposed to ask?

I mean Danielle Ward at the very least. You should see her continued discussions with syzhang28 and slack I think is the other one's handle. It's all there. The guy wouldn't let up about the Kickstarter, bringing it over and over and over again.

http://www.valiantfans.com/forum/viewto ... 5&start=25

You can see some of that vitriol in that thread.

Hey! I was never harassed!
I came to the board to talk and clear things up. I was never forced. I thought it would be helpful. I don''t like when you guys are frustrated

[ManofTheAtom]

Agree with the above apart from Alien and DMG haven’t merged. Isn’t it similar to Image having the rights to publish Hasboro, IDW publishing Star Trek? Presumably DMG can pass the licence onto whoever once the Alien deal ends.

That’s how I assume it works

It seems as if Alien either absorbed VALIANT or licensed it and hired the editorial staff.

[ManofTheAtom]

Hey! I was never harassed!
I came to the board to talk and clear things up. I was never forced. I thought it would be helpful. I don''t like when you guys are frustrated

Ok.

[Phantom]

Just an assumption- think it is a licence.
I wonder how DMG feels about its investment purchase of valiant?

[Dallow Spicer1]

Just an assumption- think it is a licence.
I wonder how DMG feels about its investment purchase of valiant?

Wonder if the value of Valiant drops below a certain point does Dinesh buy it back?

[Phantom]

It would interesting to know the figure that DMG paid overall.
I know their was other investors, but Dinesh alone must of left with more than Valiant is worth now.
Such a shame, I hope it slowly builds - or sustains itself, and build customer confidence over time.

[ManofTheAtom]

It would interesting to know the figure that DMG paid overall.
I know their was other investors, but Dinesh alone must of left with more than Valiant is worth now.
Such a shame, I hope it slowly builds - or sustains itself, and build customer confidence over time.

They could bounce back.

[Chiclo]

It would interesting to know the figure that DMG paid overall.
I know their was other investors, but Dinesh alone must of left with more than Valiant is worth now.
Such a shame, I hope it slowly builds - or sustains itself, and build customer confidence over time.

They could bounce back.

Could. But won’t.

[ManofTheAtom]

It would interesting to know the figure that DMG paid overall.
I know their was other investors, but Dinesh alone must of left with more than Valiant is worth now.
Such a shame, I hope it slowly builds - or sustains itself, and build customer confidence over time.

They could bounce back.

Could. But won’t.

They may do something that will bring back the existing customer base or do something that will attract a new one. Or die out. Time will tell.

[Dallow Spicer1]

It would interesting to know the figure that DMG paid overall.
I know their was other investors, but Dinesh alone must of left with more than Valiant is worth now.
Such a shame, I hope it slowly builds - or sustains itself, and build customer confidence over time.

They could bounce back.

Could. But won’t.

They may do something that will back the existing customer base or do something that will attract a new one. Or die out. Time will tell.

STEP 1 - bring back lapsed readers - If I was then I’d look at the VEI books and try to emulate them as closely as possible. ie quality over quantity, no manga art

STEP 2 - if you want to attract the mythical new readers then USE 1 title! Make it woke, manga, non binary whatever, go for your life with it but keep it separate to the good stuff.

[ManofTheAtom]

It would interesting to know the figure that DMG paid overall.
I know their was other investors, but Dinesh alone must of left with more than Valiant is worth now.
Such a shame, I hope it slowly builds - or sustains itself, and build customer confidence over time.

They could bounce back.

Could. But won’t.

They may do something that will back the existing customer base or do something that will attract a new one. Or die out. Time will tell.

STEP 1 - bring back lapsed readers - If I was then I’d look at the VEI books and try to emulate them as closely as possible. ie quality over quantity, no manga art

STEP 2 - if you want to attract the mythical new readers then USE 1 title! Make it woke, manga, non binary whatever, go for your life with it but keep it separate to the good stuff.

There is a lot of truth to step 2. Do something no matter what it is if it is guaranteed to attract an audience. Worst case, it becomes a way to earn capital to finance production of the good stuff that may not be as financially successful.

[ManofTheAtom]

Supposedly, Acclaim's biggest seller was the comic with the two guys holding each other's privates in the restroom while shouting that they were not a couple, which is how we ended up with a goat on a first-name basis with the Legion of Super-Heroes.

I recall Nicieza lamenting to Wizard that the Turok video game sold millions but the comic only sold a few thousand copies.

[Chiclo]

Supposedly, Acclaim's biggest seller was the comic with the two guys holding each other's privates in the restroom while shouting that they were not a couple, which is how we ended up with a goat on a first-name basis with the Legion of Super-Heroes.

I recall Nicieza lamenting to Wizard that the Turok video game sold millions but the comic only sold a few thousand copies.

MotA’s Law. Thread closed.

[ManofTheAtom]

Supposedly, Acclaim's biggest seller was the comic with the two guys holding each other's privates in the restroom while shouting that they were not a couple, which is how we ended up with a goat on a first-name basis with the Legion of Super-Heroes.

I recall Nicieza lamenting to Wizard that the Turok video game sold millions but the comic only sold a few thousand copies.

MotA’s Law. Thread closed.

Not applicable in the context of the conversation.

[Chiclo]

Supposedly, Acclaim's biggest seller was the comic with the two guys holding each other's privates in the restroom while shouting that they were not a couple, which is how we ended up with a goat on a first-name basis with the Legion of Super-Heroes.

I recall Nicieza lamenting to Wizard that the Turok video game sold millions but the comic only sold a few thousand copies.

MotA’s Law. Thread closed.

Not applicable in the context of the conversation.

False.

http://www.valiantfans.com/motaslaw.htm

MotA’s law recognises the citation of the Goat and his acquaintance with the Legion as the end of a discussion. I’d say this discussion reached its end long ago. Nothing new has been said, just lots of butting heads.

[Ryan]

Supposedly, Acclaim's biggest seller was the comic with the two guys holding each other's privates in the restroom while shouting that they were not a couple, which is how we ended up with a goat on a first-name basis with the Legion of Super-Heroes.

I recall Nicieza lamenting to Wizard that the Turok video game sold millions but the comic only sold a few thousand copies.

MotA’s Law. Thread closed.

Not applicable in the context of the conversation.

False.

http://www.valiantfans.com/motaslaw.htm

MotA’s law recognises the citation of the Goat and his acquaintance with the Legion as the end of a discussion. I’d say this discussion reached its end long ago. Nothing new has been said, just lots of butting heads.

Seconded

[ManofTheAtom]

Supposedly, Acclaim's biggest seller was the comic with the two guys holding each other's privates in the restroom while shouting that they were not a couple, which is how we ended up with a goat on a first-name basis with the Legion of Super-Heroes.

I recall Nicieza lamenting to Wizard that the Turok video game sold millions but the comic only sold a few thousand copies.

MotA’s Law. Thread closed.

Not applicable in the context of the conversation.

False.

http://www.valiantfans.com/motaslaw.htm

MotA’s law recognises the citation of the Goat and his acquaintance with the Legion as the end of a discussion. I’d say this discussion reached its end long ago. Nothing new has been said, just lots of butting heads.

In the context of the conversation it is offered as supporting of Step 2 of Dallow Spicer's list, however.

[lorddunlow]

No ice cream choice! Disqualified!

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[lorddunlow]

I can’t see how Alien inherited DMGs garbage Kickstarter, that doesn’t make sense.

It'll make sense when you realize 90% of these arguments take place in one person's head.

Chiclo's head right? This is like a Newhart situation. Or maybe Dallas...

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[Chiclo]

Supposedly, Acclaim's biggest seller was the comic with the two guys holding each other's privates in the restroom while shouting that they were not a couple, which is how we ended up with a goat on a first-name basis with the Legion of Super-Heroes.

I recall Nicieza lamenting to Wizard that the Turok video game sold millions but the comic only sold a few thousand copies.

MotA’s Law. Thread closed.

Not applicable in the context of the conversation.

False.

http://www.valiantfans.com/motaslaw.htm

MotA’s law recognises the citation of the Goat and his acquaintance with the Legion as the end of a discussion. I’d say this discussion reached its end long ago. Nothing new has been said, just lots of butting heads.

In the context of the conversation it is offered as supporting of Step 2 of Dallow Spicer's list, however.

Is it your contention that you can add something new to this conversation? Or that your opponents have something new? If both sides are just saying the same thing over and over at each other, why not be the bigger man and admit that you are at an impasse?

[Chiclo]

I can’t see how Alien inherited DMGs garbage Kickstarter, that doesn’t make sense.

It'll make sense when you realize 90% of these arguments take place in one person's head.

Chiclo's head right? This is like a Newhart situation. Or maybe Dallas...

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The arguments in my head are different that this one. More fun. A little bit of mad science, a little bit of crusade.

[Dallow Spicer1]

I can’t see how Alien inherited DMGs garbage Kickstarter, that doesn’t make sense.

It'll make sense when you realize 90% of these arguments take place in one person's head.

Chiclo's head right? This is like a Newhart situation. Or maybe Dallas...

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The arguments in my head are different that this one. More fun. A little bit of mad science, a little bit of crusade.

Chiclo’s head arguments is something I’m all in on!

[ManofTheAtom]

Supposedly, Acclaim's biggest seller was the comic with the two guys holding each other's privates in the restroom while shouting that they were not a couple, which is how we ended up with a goat on a first-name basis with the Legion of Super-Heroes.

I recall Nicieza lamenting to Wizard that the Turok video game sold millions but the comic only sold a few thousand copies.

MotA’s Law. Thread closed.

Not applicable in the context of the conversation.

False.

http://www.valiantfans.com/motaslaw.htm

MotA’s law recognises the citation of the Goat and his acquaintance with the Legion as the end of a discussion. I’d say this discussion reached its end long ago. Nothing new has been said, just lots of butting heads.

In the context of the conversation it is offered as supporting of Step 2 of Dallow Spicer's list, however.

Is it your contention that you can add something new to this conversation? Or that your opponents have something new? If both sides are just saying the same thing over and over at each other, why not be the bigger man and admit that you are at an impasse?

The conversation shifted from the original topic to what Alien could do to attract an audience, which included doing something commercial even if it's not that good, like was the case when Acclaim did Quantum & Woody, which was VH-2's biggest seller compared to their other comics, such as Turok.