Unity #19

Dallow Spicer1 · Post by **Dallow Spicer1** » Sat Jun 13, 2015 2:47 am

I was a little underwhelmed with this issue!

Didn't like the generic looking art and the story wasn't that interesting either. For a few panels I thought the alchemist guy was Eternal Warrior with the hood over his head and the scars, odd that this is a different character but looks so similar in design?

What bugged me the most though is Ninjak being kicked through a concrete wall!! Ninjak's human so how is this possible without killing him, thought that was lazy story telling.

I did like the Vine appearance (although it was dubious as to how he died by a 1 in a million fluke!), I was hoping that would have been expanded on.

Overall my least favourite issue of Unity for a while.

I like Kindt's writing for the most part but I'm wondering do we really need this team book as an ongoing, especially now Ninjak has a solo title?

2.5/5

Dallow Spicer1 · Post by **Dallow Spicer1** » Sat Jun 13, 2015 3:13 am

grendeljd wrote:If anyone is interested in hearing Dr Solar, Hawkeyeps & I discuss this issue along with the XO 'Shanhara Zero' issue in the latest OTV: Valiant Comics Review episode (in a fairly efficient 40 minutes) - follow the link;

http://onlythevaliant.com/episodes/vcr18/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I think this issue generated some of our harshest criticisms to date on the show... Be warned - Hawkeyeps blows a gasket over it!!

I'll look forward to this and I'm glad the book gets the scrutiny it needs! I didn't think this book was as bad as Dead Drop though!

Sir Sandrick · Post by **Sir Sandrick** » Sun Jun 14, 2015 12:25 pm

I liked the book ok, but the expletives were a bit over the top and not written really well. I don't want to have to read something twice in order to get what they may have said. Takes me out of the moment. Also, it totally bugs me when they use $&%* for a profane word when there are no 4 letter profane words that logically fit that sentence. I was left trying to figure out what she was actually trying to say. At the very least use the right number of %#s to fit the length of the word!

I like the art in the historical flashback, but it definitely overshadowed the Ninjak Warmonger art that book ended it. Also, what is up with Ninjak taking one kick and being down? After the awesomeness that I just read in Ninjak 3 that seemed a bit weak. At least give a one page fight where Ninjak realizes that she is stronger than he thought- something to build a bit more suspense or danger regarding the new character.

String · Post by **String** » Sun Jun 14, 2015 5:34 pm

So, what exactly is her deal? She's cursed? She foments chaos whenever she goes? Immortal with super-strength? Given her history here, is she as an experienced warrior as Gilad?

The cuss words were distracting. Used sparingly, they're alright, but here as every other word? It makes reading this issue more of a chore than something to enjoy.

The idea of a Unity team throughout history is interesting, especially if Gilad is involved (again, what if this group of extraordinary individuals gathering at certain times is some part of the Earth's plans?) At first, I thought Gilad was a part of this team so I was letdown somewhat by it being the wizard instead. (Although I also liked the dichotomy of 'magic being science' and 'science being magic')

Ninjak being taken down so readily, I guess, is supposed to be a sign of how powerful she may be, but given how Kindt has built Colin into being ready for any-and-all contingencies, I'm surprised by this move too.

And c'mon Kindt, you missed a golden opportunity. Sir Kwain is a weak name. You know he should really be called 'Prince Valiant'.

grendeljd · Post by **grendeljd** » Wed Jun 17, 2015 10:07 pm

Dallow Spicer1 wrote:
grendeljd wrote:If anyone is interested in hearing Dr Solar, Hawkeyeps & I discuss this issue along with the XO 'Shanhara Zero' issue in the latest OTV: Valiant Comics Review episode (in a fairly efficient 40 minutes) - follow the link;

http://onlythevaliant.com/episodes/vcr18/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I think this issue generated some of our harshest criticisms to date on the show... Be warned - Hawkeyeps blows a gasket over it!!
I'll look forward to this and I'm glad the book gets the scrutiny it needs! I didn't think this book was as bad as Dead Drop though!

While there are major flaws in Dead Drop that I really don't like, DD#2 had more redeeming elements to it than this issue did (for me at least), enough to give it a slightly better enter-taimo mark than this one. ( Basically I was biased in my opinion - the great art in Dead Drop getting the edge over the poor opening/closing art in Unity 19.)

Thanks for listening, Dallow!

Dallow Spicer1 · Post by **Dallow Spicer1** » Thu Jun 18, 2015 12:55 am

grendeljd wrote:
Dallow Spicer1 wrote:
grendeljd wrote:If anyone is interested in hearing Dr Solar, Hawkeyeps & I discuss this issue along with the XO 'Shanhara Zero' issue in the latest OTV: Valiant Comics Review episode (in a fairly efficient 40 minutes) - follow the link;

http://onlythevaliant.com/episodes/vcr18/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I think this issue generated some of our harshest criticisms to date on the show... Be warned - Hawkeyeps blows a gasket over it!!
I'll look forward to this and I'm glad the book gets the scrutiny it needs! I didn't think this book was as bad as Dead Drop though!
While there are major flaws in Dead Drop that I really don't like, DD#2 had more redeeming elements to it than this issue did (for me at least), enough to give it a slightly better enter-taimo mark than this one. ( Basically I was biased in my opinion - the great art in Dead Drop getting the edge over the poor opening/closing art in Unity 19.)

Thanks for listening, Dallow!

Actually, when you put it like that the art in DD does enhance it's score for me too! That episode of VCR was excellent, great discussion and valid criticism where it was due!

agent_graves · Post by **agent_graves** » Sun Jun 21, 2015 8:21 pm

They should have just included the cussing, the way in which they decided to letter this issue, kind of takes you out of the story, speaking of which, I'm not feeling the direction of this book anymore, I like Kindt, but it's time to switch things up, let someone else take a shot at Unity.

grendeljd · Post by **grendeljd** » Mon Jun 22, 2015 7:04 am

Dallow Spicer1 wrote:
grendeljd wrote:
Dallow Spicer1 wrote:
grendeljd wrote:If anyone is interested in hearing Dr Solar, Hawkeyeps & I discuss this issue along with the XO 'Shanhara Zero' issue in the latest OTV: Valiant Comics Review episode (in a fairly efficient 40 minutes) - follow the link;

http://onlythevaliant.com/episodes/vcr18/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I think this issue generated some of our harshest criticisms to date on the show... Be warned - Hawkeyeps blows a gasket over it!!
I'll look forward to this and I'm glad the book gets the scrutiny it needs! I didn't think this book was as bad as Dead Drop though!
While there are major flaws in Dead Drop that I really don't like, DD#2 had more redeeming elements to it than this issue did (for me at least), enough to give it a slightly better enter-taimo mark than this one. ( Basically I was biased in my opinion - the great art in Dead Drop getting the edge over the poor opening/closing art in Unity 19.)

Thanks for listening, Dallow!
Actually, when you put it like that the art in DD does enhance it's score for me too! That episode of VCR was excellent, great discussion and valid criticism where it was due!

Thank you sir!

Shadowman99 · Post by **Shadowman99** » Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:20 am

Thought the medieval characters weren't really a 'Unity' team, more just bore a coincidental similarity to a Unity team. Totally intentional parallel on the part of the writer of course, but I didn't accept for a moment that that's what they'd set out to be. Only seemed as if they intended on taking on that one mission for a start. Oh, the blue girl was cool though. I'd do her.

Entertaining enough issue, but Warmonger's constant swearing got to become annoying fairly quickly. At least got a laugh out of Kwain's "Your maw spews nought but filth!" - I always enjoy when an artist steps back from their work and takes one on the chin like that because they know it's going to come anyway. But I could happily do with less swearing in other comics featuring the character - and that's coming from someone that enjoys a good swear themselves.

Did wonder at the possibility of a connection between Warmonger and Gilad. Seems entirely possible.

Overall, don't really like Warmonger in any way so won't be looking forward to the next few issues of Unity unfortunately. I did enjoy the character-centric Gilad/Ninjak/Livewire issues unlike most it seems, but since this issue the comic looks as though it's set to flounder somewhat aimlessly between now and Book of Death

FormerReader · Post by **FormerReader** » Sat Jun 27, 2015 8:36 pm

Not a bad issue. I like that they are introducing more characters and trying to add villains, so the team is not always fighting the same enemy. I thought that was one of the problems of 90's Valiant. Everyone was fighting Harada, Master Darque or the spider aliens. I will say that the art in a few panels was really rough.

nutflush76 · Post by **nutflush76** » Mon Jun 29, 2015 6:14 am

FormerReader wrote:Not a bad issue. I like that they are introducing more characters and trying to add villains, so the team is not always fighting the same enemy. I thought that was one of the problems of 90's Valiant. Everyone was fighting Harada, Master Darque or the spider aliens. I will say that the art in a few panels was really rough.

I like that they are trying to add some new villains into the mix. Harada and the vine being just about the only villains gets to be boring after a while.

I thought the warmonger was very interesting. She is the daughter of some kind of demon and seems to be immortal. Also, I didn't have as much of a problem with her taking Ninjak out with one kick as some others did. I think Ninjak had sort of underestimated her as a threat and I would think she would have a few skills of her own since she had been fighting for centuries. She did beat the tribal leader nearly to death at the beginning of the book after all.

Shadowman99 · Post by **Shadowman99** » Mon Jun 29, 2015 1:30 pm

nutflush76 wrote:She did beat the tribal leader nearly to death at the beginning of the book after all.

Yeah, but she said herself during that sequence that she's not actually that good at killing. I mean, she tried twice and *still* failed to actually kill him. And then she failed to beat the medieval 'unity' team: how much of a badass can she be?

But yeah, the whole "more villains the better" thing: totally with everyone on that.

Still, really not keen on Warmonger. She comes across to me as highly annoying and I've seen nothing in that comic that made me think the character was interesting in any way other than being immortal and possibly having some kind of tie to Gilad. I doubt very much that she's *actually* the daughter of a demon though. That strikes me more as pre-science 'must make reason to explain why' rationale than anything.

nutflush76 · Post by **nutflush76** » Mon Jun 29, 2015 7:37 pm

She did say she was holding back before.

But I'm with you as far as not being that into her. I'm just trying to point out that she had been established as enough of a threat to be able to handle Ninjak the way she did.

Shadowman99 · Post by **Shadowman99** » Sat Jul 04, 2015 4:15 am

nutflush76 wrote:She did say she was holding back before.

But I'm with you as far as not being that into her. I'm just trying to point out that she had been established as enough of a threat to be able to handle Ninjak the way she did.

Fair 'nuff

ilzuccone · Post by **ilzuccone** » Sun Jul 05, 2015 4:51 pm

i know i'm late but i don't think this joke has been dropped yet.

Blastr

lol i can't wait to find out what happened to Blast-Q

Blast-A
blast-B
blast-C

i really feel bad for war monger. she was very impressed by ninja-k's empty room. poor guy. the government ninja game isn't paying off i guess. after selling all his furniture and nicknacks i hope he was able to cover the mortgage

also in true kind-t fashion. THAT WAS EASY. just kick him through a wall..... why didn't anybody else think of that??

i'm officially done with Kind-t books. this will be the first break in my complete valiant run since 2012! just not worth it.

ilzuccone · Post by **ilzuccone** » Sun Jul 05, 2015 5:01 pm

BugsySig wrote: She is literally the spawn of Satan having anal sex with the Earth.

i think i saw that in a video once

wwise03 · Post by **wwise03** » Mon Jul 06, 2015 7:52 pm

This was awful. Unity is dead. It is not at all worth $4.

While Valiant is killing it on Bloodshot, Ninjak, Ivar, Imperium, and Rai, it is putting out a terrible book in Unity. If someone picked this book up as their first valiant book, they would think we're all delusional with how much we praise Valiant. I've been down on XO lately as well.

Valiant is in a dangerous place if two of their premier books are not matching the quality of the other books.

Shadowman99 · Post by **Shadowman99** » Wed Jul 08, 2015 3:43 pm

ilzuccone wrote:THAT WAS EASY. just kick him through a wall..... why didn't anybody else think of that??

Haha, yeah, that definitely sucked balls

If a human body is subjected to a force strong enough to propel it through a brick wall then I'm pretty sure that regardless of who it belonged to, that body is never getting up again! Then again, I expect Ninjak probably has a gadget for just that very situation...

ilzuccone · Post by **ilzuccone** » Wed Jul 08, 2015 4:12 pm

Shadowman99 wrote:
ilzuccone wrote:THAT WAS EASY. just kick him through a wall..... why didn't anybody else think of that??
Haha, yeah, that definitely sucked balls

If a human body is subjected to a force strong enough to propel it through a brick wall then I'm pretty sure that regardless of who it belonged to, that body is never getting up again! Then again, I expect Ninjak probably has a gadget for just that very situation...

So true

leonmallett · Post by **leonmallett** » Sun Sep 06, 2015 3:40 am

grendeljd wrote:....
I also found it incredibly distracting to the reading flow, with the sheer volume of unintelligible special character expletives in there.

Me too; it really broke the flow of the read for me and heavily marred any enjoyment of the issue.

leonmallett · Post by **leonmallett** » Sun Sep 06, 2015 3:42 am

jmatt wrote:Oh and this: Not very team booky. That's four out of the last five issues. Are we gonna spend the next two issues watching her take on Livewire and EW alone?

This title needs another writer. And with the exception of Imperium, all of the books need more story and fewer splash pages.

Yes, agreed; Kindt seems stuck in a pattern of telling stories a certain way. I'd like to see the single POV stuff interspersed with more traditional linear narratives. POV works when used sparingly, i think it fails when it becomes a crutch - it has felt like a crutch acrfoss a number of issues of Unity now and feels tiresome.

leonmallett · Post by **leonmallett** » Sun Sep 06, 2015 3:45 am

Dallow Spicer1 wrote:...
What bugged me the most though is Ninjak being kicked through a concrete wall!! Ninjak's human so how is this possible without killing him, thought that was lazy story telling. ...

Yep.

leonmallett · Post by **leonmallett** » Sun Sep 06, 2015 3:47 am

In all so meh. I think Warmonger has potential, which Kindt has himself undermined through her dialogue - it has been off-putting and irritating for this reader.

The past Unity thing as a trope is something nice for VEI to hook into, so that was good. Ninjak being kicked through a wall and surviving but she chooses not to kill a downed threat? I hope Kindt actually manages to explain THAT properly.

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