Book of Death: Legends of the Geomancer

[ilzuccone]

Am i the only one here that doesn't read posts longer than 9 or so lines.

product of LAUSD

[ilzuccone]

Am i the only one here that doesn't read posts longer than 9 or so lines.

product of LAUSD

i find longer posts lend themselves to ranting or repeating.







repeating

[ilzuccone]

Hey! What happened to all the *SQUEE*?

[kjjohanson]

What's the record for the time a thread stays on the first page without a sticky?

[tiredofmyself]

So when Book of Death adaptation hits the movie theater, will there be a similar promotion?

[Spylocke]

So when Book of Death adaptation hits the movie theater, will there be a similar promotion?

Like screenings only available via time arc?

[Paul Nolan]

So when Book of Death adaptation hits the movie theater, will there be a similar promotion?

There will be one showing of the book of death geomancer film to a full audience once 25 full audiences have watched book of death.

[Intrepidxc]

So when Book of Death adaptation hits the movie theater, will there be a similar promotion?

There will be one showing of the book of death geomancer film to a full audience once 25 full audiences have watched book of death.

[String]

So when Book of Death adaptation hits the movie theater, will there be a similar promotion?

There will be one showing of the book of death geomancer film to a full audience once 25 full audiences have watched book of death.

Only in select cities though.

[whovian]

Coming summer of 2017! The relaunch of Bloodshot -- first issue only available as the Russian Roulette Retailer Incentive. Each retailer will be provided with a revolver loaded with one bullet. Any customer who purchases a Valiant book will get one chance to shoot her/hisself. The lucky customer who blows her/his own brains out will receive the first issue of the new Bloodshot.

[kjjohanson]

So when Book of Death adaptation hits the movie theater, will there be a similar promotion?

There will be one showing of the book of death geomancer film to a full audience once 25 full audiences have watched book of death.

Only in select cities though.

And you'll have to talk to your theater directly to find out how they'll be distributing tickets to the screening. There will be no plans for a DVD/Blu-Ray/Netflix release.

[Phantom]

Hey, I am a huge valiant fan.
I want the Legends of the geomancer books, I don't need them.
I need food, house, security for my childrens future ~ all this over a 1:25 comic book ~ time to reflect, rather than blame.

Oh no, Paradise owns a comic shop, he's making a profit ~ wake up, he rents the buildings and employs a bunch of people he has to pay ~ why else run a business if not to make a profit.

I personally will be disappointed if I cannot read the story, but in the UK ~ my current valiant run is full of gaps. Shame if it is not reprinted elsewhere ~ but their are 100's of original valiant that remain uncollected in trade, or ever reprinted.

Please we want you on the board, but no personal attacks. Sometimes it is tempting when trying to make a point. Happy to have your opinion, but we are not stupid people here we can read between the lines. I quick PM, or public 'sorry' works wonders.

Plus ~ Paradice does more than you know, I have brought from him in the past, and privately organised stuff ~ he is over generous.

Don't worry to much meitha, people are forgiving ~ you are not being ostracized.

[gynta]

I'm a Valiant fan since Archer & Armstrong #0 back in '92, and have bought all Valiant comics that were published before and after that. Not every different cover, but every story. Wasn't always easy here in Germany, but I managed to get them eventually, even the last published books from Acclaim like Unity 2000 #3 and Armorines Vol.2 #4 (Some Turok books were published later, but they weren't hard to come by.) I had a letter printed in Shadowman Vol.2 #16, something that still makes me smile when I think about it.

I've bought every book/story since the reboot, was reluctant to read them in fear of being disappointed, but I liked them. I don't buy the books with the same enthusiasm as in '92, but I'm happy to have them and to be able to read new stories. I'm a livelong fan.

But now I actually thought about dropping all titles. Not for long, but the thought was there nontheless. I hope this brown, stinky, sausage-like promotion is a one-of-a-kind, as in never again.

My friend Jan who works at the local comic shop says he can't order 25 copies of a book he's sure he can't sell nowhere near this quantity. He knows he can return the books, but the shipping costs from Germany to the US were too high, and I believe him. He helped me get every Valiant book that didn't ship correctly from Diamond or was damaged or lost.

I know that the story won't be reprinted in THE paperback, but maybe it will be reprinted in A paperback. But that may be just semantics.

[DIrishB]

Eh. It is what it is.

I'm a Valiant completist so usually read the titles digitally first and buy the TPBs from my local comic shop or Amazon. I am a bit put off by this promotion, though. Unfortunately, my comic shop owner told me he can't order 25 copies to get LoG. He knows about they can be returned but said he'd have to charge me like $40 bucks for the comic to make it worthwhile (I presume he's overblowing the actual out of pocket cost to him, but that's ok, it's business). And I told him I'd be willing to pay that, but he brought up the fact he wasn't sure if issues #2-4 would be returnable as well, and indicated my best bet would be to wait and buy the entire four issue series on eBay or something.

And honestly, he's probably right. I figure I'll probably spend somewhere between $80-120 for all four issues.

I know it's not required reading or anything, but like I said, I am a completionist.

That said, I do think such promotions may do more harm than good. When a new fan learns that there are pieces missing of the overall VEI story in the trades or even regular issues, requiring them to have to track down these special issues (like the LoG of Plus Editions of certain #1 issues) it can be a little off putting. Not so much in the Plus Edition issues cases, but certainly with this LoG promo.

And I commend Valiant for trying new things, but I'm not a fan of exclusivity and hard to find stories. If it's an effort to increase value of those individual issues, stick with exclusive covers so that people don't have to rely on the (sometimes) less than willing LCS owners' participation, or spend a large amount of money on buying the issues second hand just to get the whole story.

As said I'm a completionist and spend my money on ALL issues twice--once digitally and once in print in TPB form, with the occasional Plus Edition #1 for the extra story content. Speaking from personal experience, I know for a fact these promotions can turn off a lot of completionists (since they'll miss out on this tale there's no sense in continuing checking out every book).

At the very least the order ratio should've been more realistic. Requiring 25 copies of BoD for every 1 of BoD-LoG is pretty ludicrous. Had it been 1:10 I think it would've been a lot more palateable for both fans and retailers.

I am admittedly not extremely knowledgeable about the behind the scenes of the LCS and larger comic publishing industries, so I may be completely wrong and have no clue what I'm talking about.

All I'm saying is if you want to get people interested in your books, automatically excluding a large portion of the buying audience from reading one of your stories (no matter how non-essential it may be)--one of those stories that ties in directly with a major crossover event and sheds light on the history of the Geomancers--doesn't seem like a good idea.

I understand the concept of exclusivity, I'd just like to see them stick with covers or special card stock foil covers or whatever for the collectors' appeal. Exclusive stories seems like it's just going to alienate more people than it'll please.

And again, I know it's not limited to anyone in particular, anyone CAN get them, but the promo details make it likely only a small sample of regular Valiant readers will ever get to read them.

That 1:25 ratio is extreme, in my opinion. Had it been more realistic Valiant would be seeing far less of the inevitable returns (which are only going to cost them money). Sure, some stores will be too lazy to return the books and they'll end up in back issue boxes, but many will.

I don't know. I'm not jazzed about the promo, that's all. I'll shell out a hundo or whatever on eBay for the series when it's completed and available, but I admit I had to seriously consider if it was worth continuing being a completist when it came to Valiant.

If such future promos require as much effort and money to obtain those issues, I likely will just stick with the titles I love and pass on the titles I find middle of the road.

[leonmallett]

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All I'm saying is if you want to get people interested in your books, automatically excluding a large portion of the buying audience from reading one of your stories (no matter how non-essential it may be)--one of those stories that ties in directly with a major crossover event and sheds light on the history of the Geomancers--doesn't seem like a good idea...

Sorry to truncate a well-thought out post (and emphasis mine), but for me this is telling and of significance, and something I totally agree with.

My biggest fear (besides not being able to pick up the story - but I hope that is covered)? That VEI follow up with further exclusive stories, and in doing so risk altering otherwise positive feelings in existing fans.

This is what I don't understand - that basically the exclusive book will reach the hard-core fan-base and speculator market. Combine that with variants not really translating into a growing readership, and I don't see the medium or long-term benefits.

As an initiative, this is novel. However with that pursuit of novelty has come some very strong feelings, on both sides, not only here but also on Facebook (I don't do Twitter). I dearly hope this is a one-off marketing ploy. I would hate to see this become common practice, especially as VEI nearly outnumbers my other monthly comics purchases, and soon WILL outnumber them, and this has affected my perception of VEI as a publisher, and clearly has affected the perceptions of some others.

That in turn leads me to this question: has the impact on those viewing VEI more unfavourably (even if only slightly) been outweighed by those viewing them more favourably as a consequence of doing this? Probably impossible to prove either way as things stand, but I hope VEI don't ignore that this has stoked up some dissatisfaction.

[lorddunlow]

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That in turn leads me to this question: has the impact on those viewing VEI more unfavourably (even if only slightly) been outweighed by those viewing them more favourably as a consequence of doing this? Probably impossible to prove either way as things stand, but I hope VEI don't ignore that this has stoked up some dissatisfaction.

I guess we'll find out in several months.

[DIrishB]

...
All I'm saying is if you want to get people interested in your books, automatically excluding a large portion of the buying audience from reading one of your stories (no matter how non-essential it may be)--one of those stories that ties in directly with a major crossover event and sheds light on the history of the Geomancers--doesn't seem like a good idea...

Sorry to truncate a well-thought out post (and emphasis mine), but for me this is telling and of significance, and something I totally agree with...

No problems, mate, as long as you don't mind me doing the same.


But basically, for me it just comes down to the story. I'm reading the VEI titles for the story.

And I'm overall really enjoying the VEI stories. So much so that I've taken a completist/completionist approach to the VEI story, in that I not only want to read the entire story, but I want to collect the entire thing as well, meaning I try to read and collect it all.

So, for the standard monthly Valiant issues, I mostly read them all digitally. On the occasion where a special Plus issue comes out (with expanded story material that won't be collected in the TPB), I always make the trek to my LCS to buy the Plus issues for that extra story content. And of course, I buy the entirety of the VEI TPB library as they're released.

I've ways been a fan of the TPB approach. They look nice on the shelf, and are convenient for both collecting and reading. So... that's what I do.

In this case, it's a bit of a different story. But, as I am a completionist, I'm willing to do whatever I have to go read this story, and make it a permanent part of my Valiant/VEI TPB (and occasional Plus/special issues such as the LoG and Shadowman #13X issue) collection.

Thankfully, the members of this board are extremely cool people. Whenever a situation has arisen where I was worried I may not be able to read and collect one of their stories to my growing VEI collection, the fantastic community here has always come through and helped me out and pointed me in the right direction.

I'm always willing to spend the extra effort and money to get the entire Valiant story (a necessity to keep the Valiant/VEI timeline complete, updated and accurate as possible.

[leonmallett]

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All I'm saying is if you want to get people interested in your books, automatically excluding a large portion of the buying audience from reading one of your stories (no matter how non-essential it may be)--one of those stories that ties in directly with a major crossover event and sheds light on the history of the Geomancers--doesn't seem like a good idea...

Sorry to truncate a well-thought out post (and emphasis mine), but for me this is telling and of significance, and something I totally agree with...

No problems, mate, as long as you don't mind me doing the same.

Mind? Not at all.

[kjjohanson]

Since not all BoD issues will be returnable, what's the guess on how the print run of the final issues will compare with the first issue, considering the ratio change?

[jeremycoe]

I would predict a huge drop off, maybe coinciding with more demand than product.

[tiredofmyself]

Was there any outcry when Plus Editions were out for Rai #1, #5, Doctor Mirage #1?
They are also not-digital and not-tpb right?

[leonmallett]

Was there any outcry when Plus Editions were out for Rai #1, #5, Doctor Mirage #1?
They are also not-digital and not-tpb right?

There has been some dissatisfaction with those: as far as I know, Rai Plus 1 was not widely distributed in the UK and I have yet to find a copy for sale via Ebay or UK back issue specialists.

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[leonmallett]

Would any members who buy their books outside of North America care to weigh in with their experiences with all 3 Plus Editions?

[lorddunlow]

Was there any outcry when Plus Editions were out for Rai #1, #5, Doctor Mirage #1?
They are also not-digital and not-tpb right?

Basically only from the international members on here because they had a tough time getting them.

There were no requirements for ordering these books. You could order them just like a Cover A vs. Cover B. They just cost an extra dollar. The extra material was justified in that cost (in my opinion).

I wouldn't mind paying an extra dollar (or maybe even 2 extra dollars) for a "limited" miniseries (although I would probably complain about that since it is only 24 pages - nothing extra), but I can't even get my LCS to order this series (as it requires ordering more copies of another separate book that he thinks he cannot sale).

[whovian]

The general consensus of comic shops in Kansas City is that they will get me a copy of the Geomancer book if I buy 25 copies of the first Book of Death. Since I buy all the Valiant floppies and trade paperbacks, the probability of not getting the Geomancer book makes me think it's time to quit buying floppies and collect only the trades. I don't want to do that, but the completist in me tends to push me in that direction. Still, I wouldn't mind missing out on Geomancer as long as Valiant collected it in print at some point.